And that... ladies and gentleman is why we need a trade if we wanna be elite

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bigbailes said:
sorry but as long as phx is still firmly in the playoff chase they will not trade away nash. and what about nash's game makes you think he'd work well with nate/roy? the biggest problem is the lack of ball movement and that includes roy's game. i love brandon and can't wait to see where his ceiling is but damn, move the ball a little more, especially when the d is collapsing as he drives the lane.
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Phoenix isn't real happy right now, and I'd be willing to bet Kerr trades pieces he didn't bring in that are unhappy much faster than pieces he did bring in. New GM's always do that. Personally I think they need a half-court slasher/scorer to compliment Shaq and the best fit is VC. Net fans are high on him right now and he's playing great, but he still has a big contract and the nets still aren't selling tickets. I'd love a three way trade personally where we get Nash (who makes no sense going to Jersey) and they get Carter. The trick is what to send to NJ other than cap relief (Raef) and Outlaw (who probably wouldn't fit in Phoenix. Perhaps Bell and the suns pick or something? They don't like to draft out there anyways.


We shouldn't cater to Brandon's weaknesses. You do that when your star is 30, not 25. Brandon can learn to move without the ball and compliment his teammates a little better (he's done it before at UW). He'd still be the guy we go to with the game on the line and he'd still be driving a lot, though now he wouldn't be starting from scratch as much, he'd catch it with some room. Brandon will need to improve his catch and shoot game a little already if he wants to succeed more with our bigs. I don't want Brandon to stop driving and scoring with the game on the line, but if he learns to move w/o the ball we will be much better for it long term. I don't think he'll ever learn that w/o being forced to play with a true PG for a while.

The other thing is that Nash is the league's 4 best three point shooter in history, when Brandon is driving not only will the lanes be open more (with Nash on one side and Rudy or Martell on the other, Lamarcus strong side mid range and Oden ready for a lob underneath), but if they're not he has a ton of options to pass to.
 
Fuck Nash. He's not a Champion and not a good leader. He's a selfish, all flash player unwilling to play a team game.
 
Drink Your Milkshake said:
Fuck Nash. He's not a Champion and not a good leader. He's a selfish, all flash player unwilling to play a team game.
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So much bullshit in that statement. He would be a champion if not for ridiculous suspensions, his teams succeeded in the playoffs quite well until they ran into the spurs who were always playing incredible. Nash did this despite not having good defenders or post threats on his team whatsoever. He was the heart and soul of those teams playing hard every night. He played a season incredibly well with a starting front-court of Diaw and Marion for crying out loud.

He's been well-liked by teammates on every team he's been on and had to deal with some real drama queens. He's personable and very skilled.

And he's 100X the playmaker Blake is!
 
shamelessblazer said:
So much bullshit in that statement. He would be a champion if not for ridiculous suspensions
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So you're one of those fans that thinks the rules don't apply to star players? The players broke the rules and should have been suspended according to the rules. If the NBA didn't suspend them it would mean that the NBA was fixed, that it treats rule breakers differently based on their talent and game situation.

Nash "would be" a Champion? WTF is that? Nash still had to beat two teams in 7 game series and he couldn't even beat one.

You need to get more knowledge. You're very green when it comes to the NBA.
 
Wow. Somebody REALLY likes Nash, huh? I think your point has gotten across and has been taken.

Wasn't there a guy at the BBF forum that every post made trades for like Andre Miller and Iggy?
 
100% UNARGUABLE FACT: You can't win a Championship in the NBA unless you play some of the top defense in the league. Look up the stats. 100%. EVERY SINGLE TIME, NOW AND FOREVER.
 
craigehlo said:
Raymond Felton or Ramon Sessions would be nice paired with Roy IMHO. Both seem available as well.
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I see Bayless having just as much potential as both of those guys. Felton has done nothing to elevate Charlotte, and Sessions is an OK backup PG.
Again.... we can all say we have to trade, trade, trade for an elite PG, and a good SF. But what team doesn't need one of those guys, and how many of them are available out there?
 
Put the game in perspective. We lost to the champs at home. The Lakers lost by 39 the last time they played there. We're fine. Don't need any big trades. We just had a bad game. Wait and see how we play the Celtics in Portland. We're undefeated at home and 7-7 on the road. That's fantastic. No trades please.
 
Only one team wins a championship each season. I guess that means that some of you believe that there are no players on the other 28 teams worth trading for? This whole "he is/isn't a champion" argument is lame.
 
Who plays PF for us after that trade, though?
 
I mean, I am all for making a trade if we find a good deal to get us better for now AND the long run. Or, for just now, if it doesn't sacrifice much from the future. Moving Outlaw for a vet presence now sort of thing. But moving LMA, and then expecting Frye or Outlaw to start at PF will make this team look worse, IMO. Both starters and the bench.

One intriguing option to me, although it doesn't do much for our future, is if Washington continues to struggle, trading for Jamison, and getting Washington out from under his contract. Overpaid? Sure. The difficulty is convincing him to come off the bench. Still, it improves our team, now, and potentially gets us one extra round in the playoffs, if we were to win our division,a nd have home court in the first round, the added value of getting to the second round, over losing in the first to LA or something could help our players, and having an extremely legitimate go to scorer on the bench who can score inside and out, can rebound, and can play the 3 and 4 both would be a benefit to our club.

That being said, again, what does it improve us going forward? That alone does not make us a title contender. THe added experience in the playoffs could help, but it end up looking like a move just to make a move, ultimately.

Otherwise, I think a key is continuing to look at struggling teams, and the possibility that they will want to get out of a bigger contract from their squad.

*Edit* As to the trade, I wouldn't give up much for him, it owuld strictly be if Washington wanted to get out of his salary if they continue to struggle, Raef and Outlaw for him and salary filler sort of deal. Maybe a second rounder. Not good value, pure salary dump. But, I think ultimately we can find a greater use for Raef contract if we wait until the deadline. Potentially.
 
RR7 said:
Who plays PF for us after that trade, though?
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Outlaw, Frye, Diagu, Freeland and Splitter. Outlaw and Frye are good enough to hold the position down for one year until Freeland and/or Splitter can come over. Aldridge is underachieving, no way around it.

Look at the Championship teams from the last 20-30 years, who's been the more important player on that team, the PG or the PF?
 
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Let the cake bake. No one said we were as good as the Celtics. blowouts happen- even sometimes both ways in a playoff series.

Devin Harris is who most people want us to get- but he wasn't this good immediately. Lets see Bayless and Sergio develop. We can sign Bibby in the offseason.
 
I don't think anyone thinks Harris can realistically appear in a Blazer uni without giving up one of Oden, LMA, or Fernandez, 2 picks, and another prospect (Bayless, Batum).
It'd be a lateral move for both teams, and just not worth it.
 
#1_War_Poet_ForLife said:
I don't think anyone thinks Harris can realistically appear in a Blazer uni without giving up one of Oden, LMA, or Fernandez, 2 picks, and another prospect (Bayless, Batum).
It'd be a lateral move for both teams, and just not worth it.
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I completely concur. Harris is now one of those "cornerstone" kinds of players as far as I can tell.
 
There likely isn't any more than 3-5 truly untouchable players in the NBA and Harris isn't one of them. A trade is highly unlikely, but if they thought they could make a move to help them improve (or land LeBron) they'd do it.

I don't think I'd do a straight LMA for Harris trade.
 
Let the cake bake. We lost to a VETERAN team.

We should be thrilled if the Blazers win 50 this year, and contend next year.

iWatas
 
Harris isn't untouchable, but he'd be too expensive at this point. The team would have to trade one of the core to get him.

I'd rather just see what Bayless can become.
 
Drink Your Milkshake said:
There likely isn't any more than 3-5 truly untouchable players in the NBA and Harris isn't one of them. A trade is highly unlikely, but if they thought they could make a move to help them improve (or land LeBron) they'd do it.

I don't think I'd do a straight LMA for Harris trade.
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As a Net fan, neither would I. He's Yi but better.
 
#1_War_Poet_ForLife said:
As a Net fan, neither would I. He's Yi but better.
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I don't know too much about Yi, but Aldridge has a ton of upside and won't always be a "soft" player. He is described as a weightroom fanatic. Eventually, he'll put on some more size and put some more power into his game.

He's a former college conference defensive player of the year and is agile enough to occasionally guard smaller players effectively on rotations.

He also has a nice shooting touch.
 
He's Yi with a more consistent jump shot, a bit slower, less athletic, a better defender, and probably a weaker rebounder.

I'd take Aldridge any day, but both have very high upsides. It's not worth giving up someone better than both to get that upgrade.
 
anonymous gambler said:
I don't know too much about Yi, but Aldridge has a ton of upside and won't always be a "soft" player. He is described as a weightroom fanatic. Eventually, he'll put on some more size and put some more power into his game.

He's a former college conference defensive player of the year and is agile enough to occasionally guard smaller players effectively on rotations.

He also has a nice shooting touch.
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Why will Yi always be a "soft" player?
 
Haha, I knew a thread like this would come up after this loss. Time for, once again, a reality check courtesy of TehChad. :p

Nobody in their right mind expected us to be championship contenders this year. Not any "experts", not Pritchard, not Allen, not Nate, not anyone. Our goal was to simply make the playoffs. So far, we are in outstanding shape in accomplishing that goal.

Now last night, we played a team the 18-2 defending world champion Celtics on their home court. Everyone knows that teams tend to really show up when a challenge arises, and since we were on a 6 game winning streak with some of those wins coming against quality teams (NOreleans, Detroit), Boston was ready for our best punch.

What I saw last night was the same thing I see in a number of games: experience, or lack thereof. Boston is just loaded with it. Here's an interesting stat to chew on: their big three individually each have more years of NBA experience than our entire starting lineup combined. Despite that, I think we should be at least fairly happy that we were able to hang with these guys quite well throughout most of the first half.

As many intelligent posters have already said, let the cake bake. Let the players learn what went wrong on this night, and let their frustrations motivate them to work harder and get better. I know that as frustrated as some of you guys are with this loss, I can promise you that our players are frustrated even more. Some players couldn't care less as long as the league "CTC", but not our guys. Not this team.

Now, if you're thinking championship this year or next year, then yes, I absolutely agree. We need a better, more experienced PG. We need a solid SF who can defend and rebound the ball. Trade away...get Outlaw, Sergio, Frye, and whoever else and trade em for the best talent that we can possibly get. But the problem is, that's not our goal, and we want to be setup for the LONG run. I'm sure Pritchard do exactly what the Celtics did last year and make our team a championship contender for a short period of time...but who are we going to have to give up to make that happen??? And after that, it's back to the draft lottery and back to rebuilding mode, or at best being a solid team but not a championship contender, much like how the Jazz have been for many seasons over the past two decades. If we wanted to go that route, there's no way teams would not demand some of our brightest stars for their seasoned veteran(s).

Furthermore, I think many of you are forgetting that the Blazers are in outstanding shape to be a big player in the Free Agent market for the next couple years. In fact, I wouldn't even say it's impossible that Lebron ends up in a Blazers uniform (though I wouldn't count on it either).

Anyway, I digress. By keeping this young core of talent together, we are setting ourselves up for a LONG period of championship contention. It's just not going to come when the majority of our stars have been playing for two years or less. But I encourage you all to celebrate this team for what they've accomplished, which, let me assure you, is fantastic thus far.
 
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