Andre Miller Underperformed in the Playoffs

[BGrantFan]

Andre Miller Underperformed in the playoffs. how is this thread "trolling", while threads criticizing "McDillon" and "LaMarshmellow" legit?

You lack consistency.

 

[BGrantFan]

Miller was a guy with a bullseye on his uniform. The obvious way to play the Blazers was to double team and pressure him and to force guys like Webster to step up to beat you. Miller had that great 1st game and then they figured out that you stop him and you stop the injury riddled Blazers. Roy at 50% wasn't enough to take any pressure off.

With all the attention paid to Miller, it's not surprising that Bayless had more lane to drive and better looks.

If anyone should be getting heat for the miserable showing in the playoffs, it's LMA, IMO.

His PG, after Game 1, was useless, so PHX was able to collapse on LA. Yet he still ended up with a PER of 17.6.

Again, criticizing Aldridge seems OK, yet criticizing Miller for underperforming is labeled "trolling" by a moderator.

 

[BGrantFan]

You know someone is looking for attention when they have "flame away" in their post.


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Yet your post directed at me isn't an example of you seeking attention? Hilariously ironic.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't agree, though, that LMA should "get heat." He played at about his normal level. Despite exhortations to "step up," players don't suddenly become more talented when better players are hurt. Just because Portland needed/wanted LMA to suddenly become a playoff-caliber first option doesn't mean he had the ability to do so. He's a mediocre second option and great third option. If Roy and Oden are healthy, Aldridge is, or should be, the third option.

The Blazers needed him to really step up and he didn't. "Normal level" isn't what wins in the playoffs, it's the best player on the team (he was, minus Roy) taking his game up two levels.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

Take out Game 1 and his PER was under 13. Blake was over 15 last year.

Miller = Blake, but at 2x the cost.

Out of curiosity, what does Blake's PER drop to if you remove HIS best game from the series?

Also, where do you see Blake's PER above 15? I see his at exactly 15.



Your comments seem to contradict. If Miller = Blake, wouldn't that mean they played just as well as each other? However, you said Blake had better statistics. Wouldn't that mean Miller<Blake?

 

[jlprk]

This thread is nice exercise, and the human body is healthier when it argues every day, but after the fight is over, in the peace of our dreams, we all know it's McMillan's system.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

This thread is nice exercise, and the human body is healthier when it argues every day, but after the fight is over, in the peace of our dreams, we all know it's McMillan's system.

Blasphemy!

He was an Assistant for Team USA!

 

[MARIS61]

Andre has never brought it during post season.

It's naive to expect it at this late stage of his career.

 

[BGrantFan]

The Blazers needed him to really step up and he didn't. "Normal level" isn't what wins in the playoffs, it's the best player on the team (he was, minus Roy) taking his game up two levels.

Yet the veteran PG who actually played worse in the playoffs than he did in the regular season gets no blame? Miller was paid to produce in the playoffs and be an upgrade over Blake and Sergio. He wasn't, at least in his first playoff as a Blazer.

 

[blazerboy30]

Andre has never brought it during post season.

It's naive to expect it at this late stage of his career.

How would you know? You've admitted many times to not watching any NBA team other than the Blazers. And the Blazers haven't ever played Andre's team in the playoffs.

Therefore, you've never seen Andre play in the playoffs, prior to this year.

Learn the game. Checkmate.

 

[blazerboy30]

Yet the veteran PG who actually played worse in the playoffs than he did in the regular season gets no blame? Miller was paid to produce in the playoffs and be an upgrade over Blake and Sergio. He wasn't, at least in his first playoff as a Blazer.

Does the fact that a player (Miller) draws the other team's full defensive attention and best defender carry any weight in your "analysis" / trolling about PER?

 

[BGrantFan]

Does the fact that a player (Miller) draws the other team's full defensive attention and best defender carry any weight in your "analysis" / trolling about PER?

Are you saying that Aldridge received none of the Suns' defensive attention, or even half of the attention?

You're making excuses for Miller playing poorly. No matter the reason, he underperformed, which is the title of the fucking thread.

Pointing out a basic fact that you disagree with is "trolling" to you. You're an odd one.

 

[blazerboy30]

Are you saying that Aldridge received none of the Suns' defensive attention, or even half of the attention?

You're making excuses for Miller playing poorly. No matter the reason, he underperformed, which is the title of the fucking thread.

False. You're comparing him to Blake, just like you did in the other thread before you started this one.

Please answer the question:

Does the fact that a player (Miller) draws the other team's full defensive attention and best defender carry any weight in your "analysis" about PER?

 

[BGrantFan]

False. You're comparing him to Blake, just like you did in the other thread before you started this one.

I compared him to Blake because their numbers are similar. You can make excuses all day, but Andre Miller underperformed in the playoffs.

 

[blazerboy30]

I compared him to Blake because their numbers are similar. You can make excuses all day, but Andre Miller underperformed in the playoffs.

Please answer the question:

Does the fact that a player (Miller) draws the other team's full defensive attention and best defender carry any weight in your "analysis" about PER?

 

[BGrantFan]

Grant Hill has never been named to any All-Defensive team. It's not like Miller had Scottie Pippen defending him. lol

 

[blazerboy30]

Grant Hill has never been named to any All-Defensive team. It's not like Miller had Scottie Pippen defending him. lol

You're not answering the question:

Does the fact that a player (Miller) draws the other team's full defensive attention and best defender carry any weight in your "analysis" about PER?

 

[BGrantFan]

Please answer the question:

Does the fact that a player (Miller) draws the other team's full defensive attention and best defender carry any weight in your "analysis" about PER?

I disagree about Miller getting "full defensive attention", at least compared to LA (who was actually doubled teamed) but if you want to go there, a healthy Roy, who received Artest's and Battier's "full defensive attention" last year as the primary ballhandler, ended up with a PER of 25.9. Miller underformed compared to last year's player who got the "full defensive attention", and he got the "full defensive attention" of a hobbled Grant Hill. Miller can't shoot, so the oft-injured Hill was able to shut him down without even having to have help.

Why won't you say that Miller underperformed? Please answer the question.

 

[Minstrel]

The Blazers needed him to really step up and he didn't. "Normal level" isn't what wins in the playoffs, it's the best player on the team (he was, minus Roy) taking his game up two levels.

I don't see how a player can magically become better. If they have that "two steps up" level, they should always be playing at it. What you're advocating is a player playing two steps down most of the time, so that they can raise their level. I don't think most players do that.

 

[blazerboy30]

I disagree about Miller getting "full defensive attention", at least compared to LA (who was actually doubled teamed) but if you want to go there, a healthy Roy, who received Artest's and Battier's "full defensive attention" last year as the primary ballhandler, ended up with a PER of 25.9. Miller underformed compared to last year's player who got the "full defensive attention", and he got the "full defensive attention" of a hobbled Grant Hill. Miller can't shoot, so the oft-injured Hill was able to shut him down without even having to have help.

Yes, Miller underperformed compared to Brandon Roy in the playoffs last year. So did ~95% of the players in the league. Thanks for your contribution to the board.

This thread was indeed necessary. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't see how a player can magically become better. If they have that "two steps up" level, they should always be playing at it. What you're advocating is a player playing two steps down most of the time, so that they can raise their level. I don't think most players do that.

Be like Mike.

Career 28.3 PPG, 27.9 PER
Playoffs 33.4 PPG, 28.6 PER

Be like LeBron
Career 24.8 PPG, 26.9 PER
Playoffs 28.6 PPG, 27.1 PER

Amare
Career 22.5 PPG, 22.6 PER
Playoffs 24.1 PPG, 24.1 PER

 

[BGrantFan]

Yes, Miller underperformed compared to Brandon Roy in the playoffs last year. So did ~95% of the players in the league. Thanks for your contribution to the board.

This thread was indeed necessary. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

Andre Miller underperformed in the playoffs and couldn't elevate his game when Gentry put Grant Hill on him.

We aren't winning a title with Andre Miller as the PG. Just because you refuse to blame Miller at all does not mean that he doesn't deserve some blame for his below-average performance in the playoffs.

Thanks for your contribution to the board, which mainly seems to be badgering people into answering your strawman questions, and then mocking them for finally doing so.

Did Andre Miller underperform in he playoffs. Yes/No. Answer the question, troll.

 

[BGrantFan]

Yes, a moderator actually posted this.

Grow up.

 

[BGrantFan]

Not one person on this team consistently played well in the playoffs...(Steve Blake isn't even close to the player Andre Miller is if that is what you are trying to get at)

Who deleted my reply to this poster, who originally called me a "dumbass?

That's bush league.

 

[blazerboy30]

Did Andre Miller underperform in he playoffs. Yes/No. Answer the question, troll.

"Underperform" is a relative term. Underperform with respect to what?

 

[BGrantFan]

I don't agree, though, that LMA should "get heat." He played at about his normal level. Despite exhortations to "step up," players don't suddenly become more talented when better players are hurt. Just because Portland needed/wanted LMA to suddenly become a playoff-caliber first option doesn't mean he had the ability to do so. He's a mediocre second option and great third option. If Roy and Oden are healthy, Aldridge is, or should be, the third option.

I completely disagree about LA being a "mediocre" 2nd option. He's a Top 45 PER player in the NBA, and #18 overall for players who average over 35 mpg. That production isn't "mediocre", considering his back-up is going to give you lower production. That said, was Denny upset when Pete Myers didn't elevate his game when Jordan retired?

 

[BGrantFan]

"Underperform" is a relative term. Underperform with respect to what?

With what he did in the regular season.

 

[Denny Crane]

I completely disagree about LA being a "mediocre" 2nd option. He's a Top 40 PER player in the NBA. That said, was Denny upset when Pete Myers didn't elevate his game when Jordan retired?

Actually, it became Pippen's team, and he did elevate his game. It wasn't enough.

 

[BGrantFan]

Actually, it became Pippen's team, and he did elevate his game. It wasn't enough.

True, Scottie did elevate his game. He has an entire season to be "the man" though. You're blaming LA for being who is his, without a season to take a team on his shoulders. Not that I think he necessarily could, but he's more than a "mediocre" second option. If find that criticism not based on any available data.

 

[Denny Crane]

True, Scottie did elevate his game. He has an entire season to be "the man" though. You're blaming LA for being who is his, without a season to take a team on his shoulders. Not that I think he necessarily could, but he's more than a "mediocre" second option. If find that criticism not based on any available data.

I didn't say anything about him being any kind of second option. Given that everyone knew that Roy was going to miss the playoffs, LMA had time to prepare himself to be THE GUY, but didn't step in and fill the void with Roy out.