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So now we learn the supposed whistleblower never even actually heard the phone call, supposedly heard about it from somewhere else and cannot actually confirm anything.
 
MARIS61 said:
So now we learn the supposed whistleblower never even actually heard the phone call, supposedly heard about it from somewhere else and cannot actually confirm anything.
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Gotta love dog whistles.
 
MARIS61 said:
So now we learn the supposed whistleblower never even actually heard the phone call, supposedly heard about it from somewhere else and cannot actually confirm anything.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-admits-asking-ukraine-investigate-151851988.html

Trump admitted it, that he told the Ukraine leader that he would withold aid unless Ukraine investigated his political rival in the upcomming election. Trump is tampering with the upcoming election. Highly fucking illegal.
 
Hoopguru said:
In reality, Clinton had her staff destroy issued cell phones and bleach out a server. Now, why would someone do that if they were innocent?
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Well, it's actually good practice to erase data from any device you are getting rid of. Otherwise it might fall into the hands of a bad actor. I'm not at all claiming that's why they did what they did - but the act of erasing data alone isn't necessarily corrupt.

Plus she lied about being shot at as secretary of state.
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Well, that's true. She did tell a war story that was pretty badly exaggerated. Not exactly corruption, and of course rather quaint compared to the current standard of truth...

So in reality do you think the Clinton machine was sneaky clean? You must have an opinion?
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Definitely sneaky clean.

Holder's stupid decisions cost lives of a number of people, imo.
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Not corruption, though.

Im hoping not but maybe Joe broke the law with regards to Ukraine, I have always like Joe but no one is infallible especially in Politics.
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At present there is exactly zero evidence that he did.

I'm hoping not, but maybe Joe shot someone on 5th avenue...

barfo
 
MARIS61 said:
So now we learn the supposed whistleblower never even actually heard the phone call, supposedly heard about it from somewhere else and cannot actually confirm anything.
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Link?

barfo
 
Hoopguru said:
I agree about corruption in this administration, but I think there was also in the prior administration starting with Hillary and maybe Holder and maybe Biden. Come on, you think the Clinton machine was squeaky clean?
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I've yet to hear of an indictable offense the Hillary has committed.
I've yet to hear of an indictable offense the Biden has committed.
I've yet to hear of an indictable offense the Obama has committed.
I've yet to hear of an indictable offense that anybody in Obama's cabinet has committed.

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Meanwhile, Trump is almost sure to get impeached and most assuredly to get indicted once he leaves office.
 
Lanny said:
I've yet to hear of an indictable offense the Hillary has committed.
I've yet to hear of an indictable offense the Biden has committed.
I've yet to hear of an indictable offense the Obama has committed.
I've yet to hear of an indictable offense that anybody in Obama's cabinet has committed.

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Meanwhile, Trump is almost sure to get impeached and most assuredly to get indicted once he leaves office.
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There are many criminals out there that have not been indicted.
Like I said Lanny its my opinion, just like you have opinions.
Hillary was insulated and protected like no other has been.
 
Hoopguru said:
There are many criminals out there that have not been indicted.
Like I said Lanny its my opinion, just like you have opinions.
Hillary was insulated and protected like no other has been.
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I've gotta see something before I go accusing someone of wrongdoing.
 
Hoopguru said:
In reality, Clinton had her staff destroy issued cell phones and bleach out a server. Now, why would someone do that if they were innocent? Plus she lied about being shot at as secretary of state. So in reality do you think the Clinton machine was sneaky clean? You must have an opinion?

Holder's stupid decisions cost lives of a number of people, imo.

Im hoping not but maybe Joe broke the law with regards to Ukraine, I have always like Joe but no one is infallible especially in Politics.
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Maybe Hillary discussed an affair she was having. Maybe Hillary had discussions about sexual liaisons Bill was still having. Maybe she was discussing a pornography problem that one of her staff was having. Who knows. If what she did was illegal then indict her for it and I'll be a convert.
 
Hoopguru said:
There are many criminals out there that have not been indicted.
Like I said Lanny its my opinion, just like you have opinions.
Hillary was insulated and protected like no other has been.
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She was investigated. Nothing came of it. Biden's son was investigated nothing came of it.
 
Chris Craig said:
Yeah I mentioned that above. Shared that same link.

If Obama had asked a foriegn country to investigate John McCain or Mitt Romney and he admitted he did so to everyone, would you think that's okay?
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trump was backed into a wall as it was obvious the info that the discussion did take place but the DOJ is trying to prevent the info to be available to congress which is what the law says. If he kept trying to deny that he called Ukraine, then it was obviously a lie. Now they are just trying to hide what was actually discussed. So much for the most transparent administration as they obstruct at every turn.
 
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Lanny said:
"The Ukrainian prosecutor general said in May that there is no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son Hunter."
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Exactly

Trump did it to fuck over Biden in the polls because he is afraid of him. It worked too because as soon as this came out Biden dropped in the polls and Warren took the lead. Trump interfered with the 2020 presidential election.
 
Chris Craig said:
Exactly

Trump did it to fuck over Biden in the polls because he is afraid of him. It worked too because as soon as this came out Biden dropped in the polls and Warren took the lead. Trump interfered with the 2020 presidential election.
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whenever accusations are made against trump, he immediately tries to muck things up to try and take the pressure off him. It's so obvious even a marzy and maris can see it (even though they will deny it. It's been his MO ever since he began his campaign. One slight correction on your poll numbers. Warren pulled ahead of Biden in the Iowa poll (essentially a pick em right now), but still trails him over all.
 
Chris Craig said:
She was investigated. Nothing came of it. Biden's son was investigated nothing came of it.
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Just like Trump was investigated to the hilt but that doesnt make him innocent.
Investigation don't seem to make any difference with crooked politicians.
I know there are a few going on now, hopefully beans will be spilled on those that broke the law.
 
Hoopguru said:
Just like Trump was investigated to the hilt but that doesnt make him innocent.
Investigation don't seem to make any difference with crooked politicians.
I know there are a few going on now, hopefully beans will be spilled on those that broke the law.
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a huge difference. Clinton was interviewed extensively and actually answered questions where as anything involving trump, evidence and info is withheld and witnesses refuse to cooperate. It's apples and oranges (or is that origins) hg.
 
CupWizier said:
a huge difference. Clinton was interviewed extensively and actually answered questions where as anything involving trump, evidence and info is withheld and witnesses refuse to cooperate. It's apples and oranges (or is that origins) hg.
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I realize that but she was still insulated and got away with unethical acts, imo.
She lied to face of those families that lost loved ones and tried to hide evidence in a situation where most would have gone to jail.
I call it both ways if i see a repub jerk people around or dem Ill call it. Its just my opinion, but about her.
 
Hoopguru said:
Just like Trump was investigated to the hilt but that doesnt make him innocent.
Investigation don't seem to make any difference with crooked politicians.
I know there are a few going on now, hopefully beans will be spilled on those that broke the law.
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Trump has not been investigated to the hilt. He has placed a road block at EVERY turn. There must be a half dozen court cases where Congress is trying to get information that they need to do legitimate oversight.
 
Lanny said:
Trump has not been investigated to the hilt. He has placed a road block at EVERY turn. There must be a half dozen court cases where Congress is trying to get information that they need to do legitimate oversight.
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If you say so...but I thought Mueller investigated him?
 
barfo said:
And documented quite a bit of criminality.

barfo
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but no collusion or in bed with Putin..
If the FBI hadn't been so corrupt and biased they could have gotten Trump on construction.
This kind of stuff is going to go on forever Now regardless who's President. The precedent has been set its, them against Us now. And, stay segregated or you may be branded something, if you try and mediate.
 
Hoopguru said:
but no collusion or in bed with Putin..
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Actually, it documents lots of collusion and lots of in bed with Putin. What it doesn't document is a chargeable conspiracy.

barfo
 
Hoopguru said:
but no collusion or in bed with Putin..
If the FBI hadn't been so corrupt and biased they could have gotten Trump on construction.
This kind of stuff is going to go on forever Now regardless who's President. The precedent has been set its, them against Us now. And, stay segregated or you may be branded something, if you try and mediate.
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Like most investigations involving trump, Mueller had a narrow scope of what he could investigate and still came up with at least 10 cases of obstruction and he is still obstructing. Mueller was told he could not indict a sitting president and thus the reason he wanted the info handed over to congress to further investigate and take action but once again this administration is obstructing and withholding evidence.
 
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