Another One Bites the Dust

[Yankeefan5545]

Eighty Game suspension for Dodger pitcher Josh Ravin. Said he took some medicine and did not know it had banned substances. Shit Josh, suck it up, enjoy a non paid layoff.

 

[yankeesince59]

...so sick of this same old tired excuse/response from these guys.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I've got a feeling, we're going to see quit a few more fall....and they will all deny using, et al.

 

[totus44]

In a statement, Ravin claimed his positive test was caused by supplements he took after dealing with illnesses during spring training.

"During 2016 spring training, I came down with a severe case of intestinal flu and strep throat. I was put on antibiotics and lost a total of 20 pounds in less than seven days," Ravin said Monday in a statement. "To try and speed up my recovery, I took some supplements that I thought would help. Unfortunately, I was not as careful as I should have been and one of the supplements contained a banned substance.

"I later learned that the substance showed up in a regular drug test done of me during 2016 spring training. This has been a very painful lesson for me. I have always tried to avoid doing anything in violation of the system and I take full responsibility for the consequences of my actions and my bad judgment. So, I have decided to accept the suspension and continue my ultimate goal to be able to pitch again in the major leagues."


Another case where a nutritional supplement gets a guy in trouble. This is not "cheating" it's "sloppiness or poor attention to details". This is where banned substances should require prescriptions and not be compounds that supplement manufacturers can procure.

 

[Rick2583]

I just want to see Ortiz get his fat ass busted. Hell when Bonds was hitting HRs in his 40s he got hung, Ortiz gets cheered but the media, announcers & fans.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

In a statement, Ravin claimed his positive test was caused by supplements he took after dealing with illnesses during spring training.

"During 2016 spring training, I came down with a severe case of intestinal flu and strep throat. I was put on antibiotics and lost a total of 20 pounds in less than seven days," Ravin said Monday in a statement. "To try and speed up my recovery, I took some supplements that I thought would help. Unfortunately, I was not as careful as I should have been and one of the supplements contained a banned substance.

"I later learned that the substance showed up in a regular drug test done of me during 2016 spring training. This has been a very painful lesson for me. I have always tried to avoid doing anything in violation of the system and I take full responsibility for the consequences of my actions and my bad judgment. So, I have decided to accept the suspension and continue my ultimate goal to be able to pitch again in the major leagues."


Another case where a nutritional supplement gets a guy in trouble. This is not "cheating" it's "sloppiness or poor attention to details". This is where banned substances should require prescriptions and not be compounds that supplement manufacturers can procure.

good stuff Tote, as always, especially this very subject...of course, to be expected.

Tote- you are speaking of, the OTC stuff one can buy from a fly by night (supposed franchise retailer), Vitamin-Supplement shop??? Peddling garbage products, to aide in building muscle mass, and loss of fat. Products, with supposed testosterone boosting effects, effecting hormone production. Many if not all being non-FDA approved, with an unknown pctg of user's reporting negative side effects, some resulting in death??? Are these actual synthetics of the real deal??? wtf- my head gets to spinning on this chemist era of PED's....

 

[yankeesince59]

Another case where a nutritional supplement gets a guy in trouble. This is not "cheating" it's "sloppiness or poor attention to details". This is where banned substances should require prescriptions and not be compounds that supplement manufacturers can procure.

...translation; He's to stupid to have a job.

...He's either lying about his "excuse" or he's just plain stupid. Like others who tried to justify testing positive by claiming "the dog ate my homework" it does not help their case.

...MLB and MLBPA and every player and every trainer and every agent has a list of both banned substances and supplements, as well as approved supplements. If he was unsure about what he claims he took and why he took it, all he had to do was ask.

 

[Yankeefan5545]

"too stupid to have a job" ROTFLMAO

 

[totus44]

Tell me how you handle this situation...

Supplement has label and list ingredients.

Player/agent checks label against list provided. Nothing matches.

But manufacturer either omitted component due to level below labeling threshold or used an alternative chemical name that is correct but not listed.

Player takes supplement, then tests positive.

How is that too dumb to have a job?

 

[mrmel29]

I just want to see Ortiz get his fat ass busted. Hell when Bonds was hitting HRs in his 40s he got hung, Ortiz gets cheered but the media, announcers & fans.

Agreed Rick, Big Phony just continues on like theres no problem. Wonder if he's gotten to the bottom of that list he was on with a-rod that a-rod got crucified for and big phony got a get out of jail card for. Hid minnesota to red sox stats scream Palmeiro and sosa early stats amongst others

 

[Messiah717]

It's all bullshit. These athletes know full well what they are taking into their bodies. The supplement excuse is an old one as well. You're responsible for making sure what you're going to take is cleared. Not to mention nobody buys you took some GNC product and then flunked a drug test.

 

[totus44]

It's all bullshit. These athletes know full well what they are taking into their bodies. The supplement excuse is an old one as well. You're responsible for making sure what you're going to take is cleared. Not to mention nobody buys you took some GNC product and then flunked a drug test.

well unfortunately there are numerous examples of wada and usada (same testing regimine) getting it wrong, smearing an athlete's name and just waving their hands and saying too bad, the ends justify the means. MLB has signed onto a program that accepts it will make mistakes but doesnt care. Sorry but I find this authoritarian bureaucracy approach disturbing for amateur athletics and criminal for professional sports. This is the moral equivalent of "Obamacare".

Fairness in competition - absolutely. But at any cost? absolutely not.

 

[Messiah717]

well unfortunately there are numerous examples of wada and usada (same testing regimine) getting it wrong, smearing an athlete's name and just waving their hands and saying too bad, the ends justify the means. MLB has signed onto a program that accepts it will make mistakes but doesnt care. Sorry but I find this authoritarian bureaucracy approach disturbing for amateur athletics and criminal for professional sports. This is the moral equivalent of "Obamacare".

Fairness in competition - absolutely. But at any cost? absolutely not.

I don't buy it. The only mistake these guys make is they get caught. Guys like Colabello and Dee Gordon were caught with full fledged anabolic steroids in their system. Claiming ignorance on how they got there at that point is flat out ridiculous.

 

[totus44]

I don't buy it. The only mistake these guys make is they get caught. Guys like Colabello and Dee Gordon were caught with full fledged anabolic steroids in their system. Claiming ignorance on how they got there at that point is flat out ridiculous.

you can chose not to believe it, but facts are facts even though wada/usada mistakes are shielded from public view. i've met these "organizations" and baseball and the mlbpa are going come to a crossroads on this issue and it wont end well, especially for the fans. these are fanatical witch hunts and most of the substances are not performance enhancing. just another case of popular opinion trying to trump scientific fact.

 

[Messiah717]

you can chose not to believe it, but facts are facts even though wada/usada mistakes are shielded from public view. i've met these "organizations" and baseball and the mlbpa are going come to a crossroads on this issue and it wont end well, especially for the fans. these are fanatical witch hunts and most of the substances are not performance enhancing. just another case of popular opinion trying to trump scientific fact.

Then keep in mind. Arod has never failed a drug test.

 

[yankeesince59]

Tell me how you handle this situation...

Supplement has label and list ingredients.

Player/agent checks label against list provided. Nothing matches.

But manufacturer either omitted component due to level below labeling threshold or used an alternative chemical name that is correct but not listed.

Player takes supplement, then tests positive.

How is that too dumb to have a job?

...pretty simple, actually...if you're not sure, clear it with team trainer or MLB or MLBPA and have it OKed and documented...if you get clearance and it causes a positive test result you are covered.

...doesn't seem very complicated to me. Like I said, if the player is too stupid to check, he's too stupid to have a job.

 

[yankeesince59]

you can chose not to believe it, but facts are facts even though wada/usada mistakes are shielded from public view. i've met these "organizations" and baseball and the mlbpa are going come to a crossroads on this issue and it wont end well, especially for the fans. these are fanatical witch hunts and most of the substances are not performance enhancing. just another case of popular opinion trying to trump scientific fact.

..."crossroads"..."witch hunts"?...seriously?...c'mon, there's no conspiracy here.

... Tote, it is actually the players and MLBPA, who are the ones pushing hard for stricter penalties, not MLB.

...I find it odd that your heart bleeds for these theoretically innocent players of which you cannot give us a bonafide example.

 

[mrmel29]

Then keep in mind. Arod has never failed a drug test.

And also neither did all the bio-genesis guys that just got suspended. Except for the guys dumber than whale shit the chemists are still way ahead of the testers.