Another year of MIXUM

[blazerboy30]

I don't think we have rules posted here anymore, and frankly, I prefer to have as few as possible. There never was a rule against trolling - trash talk is a big thing in sports, after all.

Trolling and trash talk are two very different things. Trash talking is for actually playing the game. Trolling is for morons in the internet.

The TWO in SportsTwo is as in Web 2.0, or it's about you posters, not the staff.

Did you REALLY just make a Web 2.0 reference? That's funny.

The entire site needs a lot of moderating that has nothing to do with mods being confrontational with posters.

So you need a lot of moderating to keep the site running but aren't concerned about the user experience deteriorating as related to other posters. Like I said, nice work.

You happened to get lucky that this was the message board that the Blazers community moved to randomly one day. To think that it had something to do with how you ran the board is pretty funny. There is nothing making your board different than the other message boards. We left the other board because the user experience had deteriorated due to lame posters. Nobody gives a rats ass about features and layout.

 

[Wheels]

JE imploded.

lol cant say I'm surprised.

 

[Jayps15]

Speak for yourself...I'll spell it out for you...He was talking about the posters who think a great injustice has been done by letting him post. I for one enjoy having discourse with him. Just because some people get emotionally unstable while reading his post does not mean I shouldnt be entitled to talk to him on a freakin SPORTS FORUM

Your enjoyment of his opinions and interactions with Blazer fans is readily apparent, stating the obvious really.

I'll try this again. This is a community forum, it is an assembly for the open discussion of subjects of common interest, in the Blazer boards case the discussion of the Portland Trailblazers. By starting a thread or making a post on the forum you are opening up lines of discussion for the entire community.

Mixum posted:

why do they keep reading and responding? why cant i post my opinion and they ignore me? its really that simple.

The simplest answer to the question posed by MIXUM himself is that the forum setting isn't intended for this, it's intended for the entire community to discuss topics. If someone wants to speak with a subset of that community then they should use other tools of which we are readily supplied with on this site thanks to Denny's continued work.

Starting a blog to voice his opinions and inviting the subset of the community he wanted to read and respond to those opinions is one of the only plausible scenarios to achieve the goal posed by his question.

 

[Denny Crane]

Did you REALLY just make a Web 2.0 reference? That's funny.

For everyone's benefit:

The term Web 2.0 is commonly associated with web applications that facilitate interactive information sharing, interoperability, user-centered design,[1] and collaboration on the World Wide Web. A Web 2.0 site gives its users the free choice to interact or collaborate with each other in a social media dialogue as creators (prosumer) of user-generated content in a virtual community, in contrast to websites where users (consumer) are limited to the passive viewing of content that was created for them. Examples of Web 2.0 include social-networking sites, blogs, wikis, video-sharing sites, hosted services, web applications, mashups and folksonomies.

The impossibility of excluding group-members who don’t contribute to the provision of goods from sharing profits gives rise to the possibility that rational members will prefer to withhold their contribution of effort and free-ride on the contribution of others.[19] This requires what is sometimes called Radical Trust by the management of the website. According to Best,[20] the characteristics of Web 2.0 are: rich user experience, user participation, dynamic content, metadata, web standards and scalability. Further characteristics, such as openness, freedom[21] and collective intelligence[22] by way of user participation, can also be viewed as essential attributes of Web 2.0.

(From wikipedia)

I've posted in our staff forums about radical trust more times than I can count. It's why we don't move your threads, why we let you pretty much post what you want, we don't ban people, and so on.

User-centered design - it's why we let you elect your own moderators and why I talk about it's about you posters, not the staff (see my previous post).

The collective intelligence bit is about you complaining about another poster and other people backing that poster, and being able to be open and having the freedom to do so.

So yeah, I made a Web 2.0 reference. What of it?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I don't think we have rules posted here anymore, and frankly, I prefer to have as few as possible. There never was a rule against trolling - trash talk is a big thing in sports, after all. The TWO in SportsTwo is as in Web 2.0, or it's about you posters, not the staff.

The entire site needs a lot of moderating that has nothing to do with mods being confrontational with posters.

We have a moderating stats page (for staff only), and our top 10 moderators (actually doing mod things) are:
1) huevonkiller
2) truebluefan
3) speeds
4) Minstrel
5) Me
6) Ronan
7) Ed O
8) Barfo
9) Sir Psycho Sexy
10) Vinyard

17,583 total "Moderating Actions" (things that mods do with their extra controls the software gives them).

Crap. I gotta start banning people, quick, if I ever want to make producer.

 

[Denny Crane]

Crap. I gotta start banning people, quick, if I ever want to make producer.

LOL - you're in the top 20.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

MIXUM > People complaining about MIXUM

you guys have a low threshold for "trolling" I guess. Its more that you can't use a reply to change or challenge his actual thoughts, so you throw out "HE'S A TROLL!". j.f.c.

 

[blazerboy30]

For everyone's benefit:


(From wikipedia)

I've posted in our staff forums about radical trust more times than I can count. It's why we don't move your threads, why we let you pretty much post what you want, we don't ban people, and so on.

User-centered design - it's why we let you elect your own moderators and why I talk about it's about you posters, not the staff (see my previous post).

The collective intelligence bit is about you complaining about another poster and other people backing that poster, and being able to be open and having the freedom to do so.

So yeah, I made a Web 2.0 reference. What of it?

It's funny because it is a term that marketing posers like to use to show how neat and hip they are.

Anyway, it is clear that a certain poster is deteriorating the user experience for many other posters. It is your message board, so obviously you can do what you want. It isn't a huge deal, it just makes this forum less appealing to most posters.

If you won't ban trolls, just make that explicitly clear to all posters. Then everybody can drop it and use some other means to try to form the user experience they desire.

 

[blazerboy30]

MIXUM > People complaining about MIXUM

you guys have a low threshold for "trolling" I guess. Its more that you can't use a reply to change or challenge his actual thoughts, so you throw out "HE'S A TROLL!". j.f.c.

Did you forget the green font?

 

[RR7]

you guys have a low threshold for "trolling" I guess. Its more that you can't use a reply to change or challenge his actual thoughts, so you throw out "HE'S A TROLL!". j.f.c.

Not really. That's the issue is when people actually respond with solid, reasoned arguments, he ignores the thread, or ignores the post and continues on with his previous attempts to be inflammatory or contrary. He complained all last season about needing to get rid of Outlaw and Blake for someone like Camby. And then leads off this season by complaining about not having Outlaw and Blake. He hated on Martell and laughed at his ability to be an NBA player. And then he played well, and he was mocking Batum. Etc. He's not here to have a normal Blazers discourse. It's not the inability of people to challenge what he says. It's that he writes shit to get a rise out of people, and, basically, troll. If he wanted Blazers conversation, like many others, then he'd actually respond to posts that debate his points in well thought out manners. He doesn't.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

the real problem with banning "obvious trolls" is that this place gets less fun because then there is censorship and becomes more moderator-oriented.

Just because a poster is thick in the head isn't a real reason to ban him, hypothetically speaking of course.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's funny because it is a term that marketing posers like to use to show how neat and hip they are.

Anyway, it is clear that a certain poster is deteriorating the user experience for many other posters. It is your message board, so obviously you can do what you want. It isn't a huge deal, it just makes this forum less appealing to most posters.

If you won't ban trolls, just make that explicitly clear to all posters. Then everybody can drop it and use some other means to try to form the user experience they desire.

I agree it's a marketing thing for many, but for others it's very real. It's a difficult thing to define, but there are clear aspects to it that have nothing to do with marketing. I've enumerated a few in my previous post.

A certain poster sent me a PM today, asking my advice. He asked me if I thought he should stop posting, post less, post as if he had rose colored glasses, or what. Given that Web 2.0 freedom to post what he wants, he's earned his reputation (collective intelligence) among his peers. It's looking to me like there's an alternative to an outright ban. He reached out to me, it wasn't some sort of confrontation between staff and a poster.

You guys are having the effect you want, it seems.

 

[blazerboy30]

the real problem with banning "obvious trolls" is that this place gets less fun because then there is censorship and becomes more moderator-oriented.

Just because a poster is thick in the head isn't a real reason to ban him, hypothetically speaking of course.

That's a fine stance to have. It should just be made explicitly clear that trolls won't be banned. Then users can take that information and do what they like with it.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Buy a banner ad on the site stating so. If Denny snuck it into the TOS when registering, would anyone really give a shit?

 

[blazerboy30]

I agree it's a marketing thing for many, but for others it's very real. It's a difficult thing to define, but there are clear aspects to it that have nothing to do with marketing. I've enumerated a few in my previous post.

A certain poster sent me a PM today, asking my advice. He asked me if I thought he should stop posting, post less, post as if he had rose colored glasses, or what. Given that Web 2.0 freedom to post what he wants, he's earned his reputation (collective intelligence) among his peers. It's looking to me like there's an alternative to an outright ban. He reached out to me, it wasn't some sort of confrontation between staff and a poster.

You guys are having the effect you want, it seems.

I think posters could move forward more effectively if you just stated explicitly that trolls won't be banned. Then other users can use that information to decide what to do next. They can leave the forum, try a more concerted effort to have everybody ignore trolls, etc, etc.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think posters could move forward more effectively if you just stated explicitly that trolls won't be banned. Then other users can use that information to decide what to do next. They can leave the forum, try a more concerted effort to have everybody ignore trolls, etc, etc.

I think there's a difference between being stubborn/thick in the head vs. being a troll. Mixum probably thinks like he does, I don't find anything wrong with it.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Don't ban him; just change his password without telling him.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think posters could move forward more effectively if you just stated explicitly that trolls won't be banned. Then other users can use that information to decide what to do next. They can leave the forum, try a more concerted effort to have everybody ignore trolls, etc, etc.

Justice William Brennan once wrote that "One man's pornography is another man's art." It appears to me that maybe half the posters think he's a troll (pornography) and half like his posting (art). I have no idea why anyone would respond to his threads and posts otherwise.

How do you expect me to judge this kind of thing? Because you say so, or because another poster says not?

On what scale is he making the site less fun for you? On a scale of 1 to 100, maybe 100? If so, where do we set the limit where we ban people for posting unpopular posts? And how do we measure it on that scale of 1 to 100?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I have an idea: give him an entire subf-orum. Hell, give him a blog! But don't let him post on the Blazers forum more than once a day.

NIMBY.

 

[Denny Crane]

I have an idea: give him an entire subf-orum. Hell, give him a blog! But don't let him post on the Blazers forum more than once a day.

NIMBY.

Everyone can have their own blog here at S2. http://sportstwo.com/blog.php

I would love to let Mixum have his own thread to post in if he's willing. It's worked for other posters on certain topics before.

 

[RoyToy]

MIXUM > People complaining about MIXUM

you guys have a low threshold for "trolling" I guess. Its more that you can't use a reply to change or challenge his actual thoughts, so you throw out "HE'S A TROLL!". j.f.c.

Apparently you missed the thread Mixum created yesterday where several posters answered seriously to a question Mixum proposed only to be attacked by Mixum because he didn't like the answers. You can't reason with people like that.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Everyone can have their own blog here at S2. http://sportstwo.com/blog.php

I would love to let Mixum have his own thread to post in if he's willing. It's worked for other posters on certain topics before.

On two conditions:
1 - he only posts there.
2 - we can call it the dumpster.

 

[44Thrilla]

I was a mod at another bball forum way back. We had a member similar to this guy, but probably worse. Anyway, we decided to put him on "global ignore". He was free to browse and post like normal, it's just that only him and the mods could see his posts. He had no idea. He would post and post and wonder aloud why he wasn't getting any responses. Eventually he left on his own.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Apparently you missed the thread Mixum created yesterday where several posters answered seriously to a question Mixum proposed only to be attacked by Mixum because he didn't like the answers. You can't reason with people like that.

yeah, then give up doing so. its not that hard.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I was a mod at another bball forum way back. We had a member similar to this guy, but probably worse. Anyway, we decided to put him on "global ignore". He was free to browse and post like normal, it's just that only him and the mods could see his posts. He had no idea. He would post and post and wonder aloud why he wasn't getting any responses. Eventually he left on his own.

LOL! Awesome.

 

[RoyToy]

yeah, then give up doing so. its not that hard.

But you just said this

Its more that you can't use a reply to change or challenge his actual thoughts, so you throw out "HE'S A TROLL!". j.f.c.

Sorry, obviously you're wrong. People can and do and he refuses it.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

There are 3 threads started by Mixum on the main board. There are 2 threads ABOUT mixum on the same main board, then one here.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

But you just said this

Sorry, obviously you're wrong. People can and do and he refuses it.

If you don't like it, ignore him. its not that hard to do. or you can continue arguing with him.

its not that big of a deal.

 

[RoyToy]

If you don't like it, ignore him. its not that hard to do.

Now that you realize you made a silly post regarding challenging Mixum's thoughts we are done here.

 

[THE HCP]

I was a mod at another bball forum way back. We had a member similar to this guy, but probably worse. Anyway, we decided to put him on "global ignore". He was free to browse and post like normal, it's just that only him and the mods could see his posts. He had no idea. He would post and post and wonder aloud why he wasn't getting any responses. Eventually he left on his own.

That shit wasn't funny! It took me awhile to find you guys over here!