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[dviss1]

How do you know these things or similiar things arent already being done by forum members outside of the forum?

I don't. But neither do you and that resolutions northwest is something I've been a part of for years.

None of y'all are there..

 

[andalusian]

I can easily talk a racist black person down of the ledge.

I do it all the time.

I never implied otherwise. I was just trying to be helpful to show you why there might be some misconstruction of your posts.

 

[Cippy91]

I can easily talk a racist black person down of the ledge.

I do it all the time.

You can’t talk racists off the ledge. Give me a break. Dude comes in here and now we are talking about racism again.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I have no idea who OB voted for - but if you guys think you are friends and he tells you that this is an issue he has - this is something to consider.

I can assure you that the first time I read the "y'all white people" sentence I cringed as well - and I did not vote for Mr. Trump. Now, my guess from the context of reading this forum for a while was that you were not trying to lump everyone together - but the sentence sure read like it to me.



Common sense says that racists of any kind will not take the word of people they are prejudiced against - there is no argument about that.

The argument is that using a language that can be read as if it lumps people together - even if that's not your intention - can cause alienation - this is all OB and I have said.

Exactly this.

I was soo torn during voting and it had nothing to do with race. My fear was trump would run foreign affairs into the ground and isolate us from the rest of the world.
My fear of Hilary was more expansion of our government helping people i dont feel need help.
Im against universal health care. I dont feel i should be responsible for someone else health issues if they choose to eat doritos and watch soaps on the couch all day. That is thier choice and im not wanting to give up one penny of my hard earned money to pay for thier impending health issues.

So my voting was more conflicted than it ever has been in the past aNd it had nothing to do with race.

 

[dviss1]

No. For two reasons.
I dont know for a fact it was racially motivated. I dont know who actually called it in and i have many neighbors.
I assume that it was racially motivated, but without some proof or evidence i find it wrong to pass jusgment without knowing everything.

Do i have a gut feeing it was racially motivated? Yes.
But thats my opinion. Not fact.

Wouldnt i look pretty stupid if i called it in and the cops said the call in was becasue a cement truck was seen and they were concerned about additional structures? Especially since they had been working on my house since march as a small crew for a while and wxpanded the crew on e we started working on the exterior and no one called in until then?

See i believe everyone can have opinions and feelings and thats everyones right. But we cant pass judgement on our feelings without some proof.

That duck had feathers, a bill, quacked, waddled, then stuttered when he told you his name was Daffy...

 

[Cippy91]

Exactly this.

I was soo torn during voting and it had nothing to do with race. My fear was trump would run foreign affairs into the ground and isolate us from the rest of the world.
My fear of Hilary was more expansion of our government helping people i dont feel beed help.
Im against universal health care. I dont feel i should be responsible for someone else health issues if they choose to wat doritos and watch soaps on the couch all day. That is thier choice and im not wanting to give up one penny of my hard earned money to pay for thier impending health issues.

So my voting was more conflicted than it ever has been in the past aNd it had nothing to do with race.

I don’t know how you do it. This is a dude that’s been to your house and treated like a friend. If that person questioned me like this, man that’s not a friend. This is somebody looking for an issue. You or I as white people will never be doing enough for him. We could show up to dumb events even if we don’t have to and that still wouldn’t be enough. This is about control and power over you, it’s not about common ground.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don't. But neither do you and that resolutions northwest is something I'll been a part of for years.

None of y'all are there..

But thats my point. You dont know. I dont know. Nobody knows but yet you come at us like you know we just sit and let racism happen aNd are okay with it.

 

[H.C.]

The same people pissed about it, voted for Trump...

Common sense says white racists don't care about what I have to say.

They need interpreters.

Disagree, common sense says white racists don't care about what anyone has to say.

I can use a discussion I had yesterday with my biological father as proof.

Spoiler

We were at/leaving Lowes and he mentioned how the cashier struggled with basic change. Even though the machine told them what to give out.
Said it was because black people are stupid.
I told him his ex(my mother) struggles with basic math so clearly struggling with math isn't based off the color of your skin.
He said. 'You know Brandon, I know you're a ___ lover. But nothing you say will change my opinion on those people. They're just stupid.'

Yeah I'm not in Oregon right now.

There isn't a magical cure that if white people call out racists, racism will end.
Changing hearts and minds isn't magical, it takes time.

When people say. 'all x people'.
That time is increased because if there is a white racist willing to listen. They are alienated by words like that.
Just like black people where alienated when white people said. 'You people need to fix your x problem.'

 

[Hobbesarable]

But thats my point. You dont know. I dont know. Nobody knows but yet you come at us like you know we just sit and let racism happen aNd are okay with it.

My mom did her part by getting herself out of the deep south during the 50s & 60s without racial bias and eventually raised her boys to respect all people regardless of their race.

I do my part with my friends, family and loved ones. That's how we begin to make a change. With those around us. Those we care about and love.

You can educate and show a person how they can change, but that person must want to change in order to make it happen.

 

[Jade Falcon]

An honest question:

How much faith did you have in Trump to actually lead a country? Because fixing it for the sake of fixing it seems really silly. And yes, I abhor trump and think he's the worst person to ever be in that house, but he had nothing to really qualify him to be that.

He's shown to be a mouthpiece for division more than unity, in my opinion, and it was shown before he took office. I just don't see how anyone could believe he could run a country. This is not to bash you, and I hope you don't take it that way, but I'm just confused as to what people saw. And if "wanting a change from established politics" was the reason... he wasn't the answer, IMO.

I appreciate your question, thank you. And thank you for addressing it respectfully.

I admit that I was apprehensive about how he would do. So I made a promise to myself to give him at least 2 years, maybe 3, before making up my mind about how he's doing.

As I have said before: I don't agree with everything he's said and done. And if you think I've argued with Liberals on here about it, you should see the hours I've spent arguing about him on a Conservative gun forum. Where many of the members there think he can do no wrong, and blindly follow him with the classic "fake news" responses and other nonsense.

The list of things I have a grievance with him on I don't feel like listing at this time, but I have discussed them here in detail before. And I do agree with many on the Right that the media bias in this country has done him zero favors. They most certainly DO have an agenda, and in that sense it is indeed fake news.

But getting back to the original question: how much faith did I have in him? As I said, I was apprehensive, and since then he has done things I agree with, and others I don't. I suppose you could say that I'm about 60/40 in support of him. I do like how the economy is going since his tax reform, and I do like that he's loading up the courts with Conservatives. Now, you may not agree with that, and that is fine, but those are my views, and he is abiding by them, so I'm sure you can understand why I'm not complaining.

The biggest reason I voted for him, which I have also explained in the past, is that he's not a career politician. It was, in MY opinion, long past time to get rid of the elitist, smirking career politicians in power. The second-second/third reason(s) I voted for him was because his strong support of gun rights and his promise to load the courts up with Conservatives.

Surprisingly so, the last reason I voted for him was just to see the meltdown of SJWs and Liberals everywhere. And in that sense, it's been great. Sorry.

He's shown to be a mouthpiece for division more than unity, in my opinion, and it was shown before he took office.

I agree that some of what he's said has been divisive, absolutely. I wasn't fond of that spat he had with that Hispanic judge in Chicago, and I wish like hell he would stay off of Social Media all together.

However, I'm not going to sit here and act like the elections was one-sided with divisive rhetoric. Hillary did PLENTY of her own despicable shit, which is half of the reason why she was completely unlikable. And just speaking for myself, when I hear Liberals hold Trump accountable for his divisive rhetoric during the elections....I NEVER hear them hold Hillary accountable for her words either.

And if "wanting a change from established politics" was the reason... he wasn't the answer, IMO.

I respectfully disagree. It was either him, Hillary, or Sanders. Sanders had a bat-shit crazy tax plan that would have utterly devastated this country, but....if the Democrat Party wasn't so unbelievably corrupt and arrogant, they would have nominated him, and we wouldn't be having this conversation, because I believe he would have won that election. How easily, I don't know.

The Green Party? Jill Stein? No way. This country had 8 years of an Activist president; they didn't need another one. She was a one-issue candidate with not enough support, and without issues that could relate to the general populace as a whole.

The Libertarians? Gary Johnson? From what little I've read, perhaps it would have been interesting. But full disclosure: I didn't pay much attention to him, or research his policies or viewpoints. I've only voted Libertarian once in my life: Bob Barr, and then decided that I wanted my vote to count, and that it wouldn't count if I voted for a candidate who was guaranteed not to win.

So I hope that answers some of your questions. And again, thank you for being respectful, even if you don't agree.

 

[Chris Craig]

I appreciate your question, thank you. And thank you for addressing it respectfully.

I admit that I was apprehensive about how he would do. So I made a promise to myself to give him at least 2 years, maybe 3, before making up my mind about how he's doing.

As I have said before: I don't agree with everything he's said and done. And if you think I've argued with Liberals on here about it, you should see the hours I've spent arguing about him on a Conservative gun forum. Where many of the members there think he can do no wrong, and blindly follow him with the classic "fake news" responses and other nonsense.

The list of things I have a grievance with him on I don't feel like listing at this time, but I have discussed them here in detail before. And I do agree with many on the Right that the media bias in this country has done him zero favors. They most certainly DO have an agenda, and in that sense it is indeed fake news.

But getting back to the original question: how much faith did I have in him? As I said, I was apprehensive, and since then he has done things I agree with, and others I don't. I suppose you could say that I'm about 60/40 in support of him. I do like how the economy is going since his tax reform, and I do like that he's loading up the courts with Conservatives. Now, you may not agree with that, and that is fine, but those are my views, and he is abiding by them, so I'm sure you can understand why I'm not complaining.

The biggest reason I voted for him, which I have also explained in the past, is that he's not a career politician. It was, in MY opinion, long past time to get rid of the elitist, smirking career politicians in power. The second-second/third reason(s) I voted for him was because his strong support of gun rights and his promise to load the courts up with Conservatives.

Surprisingly so, the last reason I voted for him was just to see the meltdown of SJWs and Liberals everywhere. And in that sense, it's been great. Sorry.



I agree that some of what he's said has been divisive, absolutely. I wasn't fond of that spat he had with that Hispanic judge in Chicago, and I wish like hell he would stay off of Social Media all together.

However, I'm not going to sit here and act like the elections was one-sided with divisive rhetoric. Hillary did PLENTY of her own despicable shit, which is half of the reason why she was completely unlikable. And just speaking for myself, when I hear Liberals hold Trump accountable for his divisive rhetoric during the elections....I NEVER hear them hold Hillary accountable for her words either.



I respectfully disagree. It was either him, Hillary, or Sanders. Sanders had a bat-shit crazy tax plan that would have utterly devastated this country, but....if the Democrat Party wasn't so unbelievably corrupt and arrogant, they would have nominated him, and we wouldn't be having this conversation, because I believe he would have won that election. How easily, I don't know.

The Green Party? Jill Stein? No way. This country had 8 years of an Activist president; they didn't need another one. She was a one-issue candidate with not enough support, and without issues that could relate to the general populace as a whole.

The Libertarians? Gary Johnson? From what little I've read, perhaps it would have been interesting. But full disclosure: I didn't pay much attention to him, or research his policies or viewpoints. I've only voted Libertarian once in my life: Bob Barr, and then decided that I wanted my vote to count, and that it wouldn't count if I voted for a candidate who was guaranteed not to win.

So I hope that answers some of your questions. And again, thank you for being respectful, even if you don't agree.

Thanks for your perspective. Respectfully, I see the current economy as being left over from Obama. We won't know the effects of Trumps policies till next year. I think its going to be bad. We will see. Some conservatives we are already seeing the fruits of Trumps labor. I don't see it that. Its easy for Trump to select dudes from a list have a republican senate approve them. Not really an accomplishment. Only those 2 things? What else has he done?

 

[H.C.]

Thanks for your perspective. Respectfully, I see the current economy as being left over from Obama. We won't know the effects of his policies till next year. I think its going to be bad. We will see. Some conservatives we are already seeing the fruits of Trumps labor. I don't see it that. Its easy for Trump to select dudes from a list have a republican senate approve them. Not really an accomplishment. Only those 2 things? What else has he done?

Don't you believe it's pretty silly to think one party alone fixed or tanked the economy?

 

[Chris Craig]

Don't you believe it's pretty silly to think one party alone fixed or tanked the economy?

No

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Thanks for your perspective. Respectfully, I see the current economy as being left over from Obama. We won't know the effects of his policies till next year. I think its going to be bad. We will see. Some conservatives we are already seeing the fruits of Trumps labor. I don't see it that. Its easy for Trump to select dudes from a list have a republican senate approve them. Not really an accomplishment. Only those 2 things? What else has he done?

Respectfully, I hate how both sides do this... If it's bad while they're there it's because of the other side. If it's good it's because of them. Drives me kind of crazy. I don't like Trump like in the slightest, and I'm not saying HE deserves credit for anything good or bad, or whatever but it's always the same. This whole we take all the credit for everything good, and shift all the blame for all the bad, and vice versa thing just drives me nuts. Drove me nuts when it happened with Obama, Bush, and good Ole' Bill too.

 

[H.C.]

No

Political bias is something I cannot get behind.

 

[dviss1]

Disagree, common sense says white racists don't care about what anyone has to say.

I can use a discussion I had yesterday with my biological father as proof.

Spoiler

We were at/leaving Lowes and he mentioned how the cashier struggled with basic change. Even though the machine told them what to give out.
Said it was because black people are stupid.
I told him his ex(my mother) struggles with basic math so clearly struggling with math isn't based off the color of your skin.
He said. 'You know Brandon, I know you're a ___ lover. But nothing you say will change my opinion on those people. They're just stupid.'

Yeah I'm not in Oregon right now.

There isn't a magical cure that if white people call out racists, racism will end.
Changing hearts and minds isn't magical, it takes time.

When people say. 'all x people'.
That time is increased because if there is a white racist willing to listen. They are alienated by words like that.
Just like black people where alienated when white people said. 'You people need to fix your x problem.'

First off, thanks for what you said to your dad. Jesus, that had to be hard.

Second, no one's acting like there's some magical cure. Deep seated hatred is hard to combat. But we can look at our own country's history to see:

"Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice."

- MLK

There's no silver bullet.

 

[Chris Craig]

Political bias is something I cannot get behind.

Bad policies are bad policies. Trumps are not good. If they were fair then I would get behind them. They aren't.

 

[Strenuus]

I appreciate your question, thank you. And thank you for addressing it respectfully.

I admit that I was apprehensive about how he would do. So I made a promise to myself to give him at least 2 years, maybe 3, before making up my mind about how he's doing.

As I have said before: I don't agree with everything he's said and done. And if you think I've argued with Liberals on here about it, you should see the hours I've spent arguing about him on a Conservative gun forum. Where many of the members there think he can do no wrong, and blindly follow him with the classic "fake news" responses and other nonsense.

The list of things I have a grievance with him on I don't feel like listing at this time, but I have discussed them here in detail before. And I do agree with many on the Right that the media bias in this country has done him zero favors. They most certainly DO have an agenda, and in that sense it is indeed fake news.

But getting back to the original question: how much faith did I have in him? As I said, I was apprehensive, and since then he has done things I agree with, and others I don't. I suppose you could say that I'm about 60/40 in support of him. I do like how the economy is going since his tax reform, and I do like that he's loading up the courts with Conservatives. Now, you may not agree with that, and that is fine, but those are my views, and he is abiding by them, so I'm sure you can understand why I'm not complaining.

The biggest reason I voted for him, which I have also explained in the past, is that he's not a career politician. It was, in MY opinion, long past time to get rid of the elitist, smirking career politicians in power. The second-second/third reason(s) I voted for him was because his strong support of gun rights and his promise to load the courts up with Conservatives.

Surprisingly so, the last reason I voted for him was just to see the meltdown of SJWs and Liberals everywhere. And in that sense, it's been great. Sorry.



I agree that some of what he's said has been divisive, absolutely. I wasn't fond of that spat he had with that Hispanic judge in Chicago, and I wish like hell he would stay off of Social Media all together.

However, I'm not going to sit here and act like the elections was one-sided with divisive rhetoric. Hillary did PLENTY of her own despicable shit, which is half of the reason why she was completely unlikable. And just speaking for myself, when I hear Liberals hold Trump accountable for his divisive rhetoric during the elections....I NEVER hear them hold Hillary accountable for her words either.



I respectfully disagree. It was either him, Hillary, or Sanders. Sanders had a bat-shit crazy tax plan that would have utterly devastated this country, but....if the Democrat Party wasn't so unbelievably corrupt and arrogant, they would have nominated him, and we wouldn't be having this conversation, because I believe he would have won that election. How easily, I don't know.

The Green Party? Jill Stein? No way. This country had 8 years of an Activist president; they didn't need another one. She was a one-issue candidate with not enough support, and without issues that could relate to the general populace as a whole.

The Libertarians? Gary Johnson? From what little I've read, perhaps it would have been interesting. But full disclosure: I didn't pay much attention to him, or research his policies or viewpoints. I've only voted Libertarian once in my life: Bob Barr, and then decided that I wanted my vote to count, and that it wouldn't count if I voted for a candidate who was guaranteed not to win.

So I hope that answers some of your questions. And again, thank you for being respectful, even if you don't agree.

No worries. I'm always interested in hearing why someone voted for him. Hell, one of my best friends has always loved Trump. But her and I get along great and have for years.

As far as the voting. Yeah. Clinton was just an awful choice as opponent. It was a perfect storm. Stinkin' Democratic party had to go and fuck things up because yes, had Sanders gotten the nod, it would have been no contest.

Also, "not the answer" was more meant to mean maybe we could have had a more moderate conservative. Trump is egregious and divisive. I have always believed news has an agenda for years, so the "fake news" stuff at it's core has some merit. That being said, the way he goes about it is what is causing the division, in my opinion. That's where I have the big issue. Contuining to punch the wall doesnt solve anything. We get it, I think most of society knows news has an agenda. But instead of trying to foster free thought and thoroughness, he decides to lambast and criticize. While what he -says- may be true (Although , some of the time it is not), the way he interacts with people is such a put-off that resentment grows.

There were some things I didn't like that Obama did, but that guy could unite a country and keep it based on the facts. I really appreciated that. Even moreso now.

I often wondered what having a non-career politican would be like. But now that we do, and the disasters (that to me, far outweigh any good he may be doing... which I don't see, IMO. And I'm looking) that have come up... I doubt it will ever happen again. And I for one am happy.

What needs to be done is thorough looks into the politicians. See if their words match up with their ideals.

In regards to hillary and never talking about that side. That's just how society is right now, unfortunately. "LOOK AT THEM. NO NO, DONT LOOK BACK. LOOK THAT WAY." It's how life has always been, but with the advent of social media and having thousands of opinions at our fingertips, echo chambers abound. And I don't see a way out of it.

There are a lot of things Trump has done that have been mindnumbingly bad. There are a lot of things that Clinton has done that has made me go "the fuck you doing"? Unfortunately as a whole, we live in a world where drama sells. I've just seen enough of Trumps' actions play out that it can't be just "Fake news" but what he really is as a person.

A person unfit to run this country.

I hope that doesn't come off as harsh at the end. But you also know where I stand with him, so I hope you can forgive me for being a bit terse. lol.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Respectfully, I see the current economy as being left over from Obama.

Oh? Okay....then Bush can take credit for Obama's bail outs, or anything else that improved under Obama....which IMO, wasn't much.

We won't know the effects of his policies till next year. I think its going to be bad.We will see.

We will indeed see. I don't pretend to have a crystal ball myself. But the economy and jobs report cannot be denied, and it's 2 years into his presidency. Even many Liberals acknowledge this.

Some conservatives we are already seeing the fruits of Trumps labor.

Indeed, I've had numerous Conservatives tell me how much they're saving in taxes and how much better their tax returns are. And they aren't rich, either.

Its easy for Trump to select dudes from a list have a republican senate approve them. Not really an accomplishment.

I consider putting Constitutional Conservatives, instead of Liberal Activists, on the Bench to be a huge accomplishment. But that's just me.

Only those 2 things? What else has he done?

He's been very active at rallies and staying in touch with his base. There's also a website that lists his accomplishments, which I don't have in front of me at the moment, but it has a good, long list of things small and large.

But I doubt he'll get much done with the Democrat House stonewalling him for the next two years.

Again: good talking to you, and thank you again for being respectful. I'm off to watch the game. GO BLAZERS!

 

[Jade Falcon]

No worries. I'm always interested in hearing why someone voted for him. Hell, one of my best friends has always loved Trump. But her and I get along great and have for years.

As far as the voting. Yeah. Clinton was just an awful choice as opponent. It was a perfect storm. Stinkin' Democratic party had to go and fuck things up because yes, had Sanders gotten the nod, it would have been no contest.

Also, "not the answer" was more meant to mean maybe we could have had a more moderate conservative. Trump is egregious and divisive. I have always believed news has an agenda for years, so the "fake news" stuff at it's core has some merit. That being said, the way he goes about it is what is causing the division, in my opinion. That's where I have the big issue. Contuining to punch the wall doesnt solve anything. We get it, I think most of society knows news has an agenda. But instead of trying to foster free thought and thoroughness, he decides to lambast and criticize. While what he -says- may be true (Although , some of the time it is not), the way he interacts with people is such a put-off that resentment grows.

There were some things I didn't like that Obama did, but that guy could unite a country and keep it based on the facts. I really appreciated that. Even moreso now.

I often wondered what having a non-career politican would be like. But now that we do, and the disasters (that to me, far outweigh any good he may be doing... which I don't see, IMO. And I'm looking) that have come up... I doubt it will ever happen again. And I for one am happy.

What needs to be done is thorough looks into the politicians. See if their words match up with their ideals.

In regards to hillary and never talking about that side. That's just how society is right now, unfortunately. "LOOK AT THEM. NO NO, DONT LOOK BACK. LOOK THAT WAY." It's how life has always been, but with the advent of social media and having thousands of opinions at our fingertips, echo chambers abound. And I don't see a way out of it.

There are a lot of things Trump has done that have been mindnumbingly bad. There are a lot of things that Clinton has done that has made me go "the fuck you doing"? Unfortunately as a whole, we live in a world where drama sells. I've just seen enough of Trumps' actions play out that it can't be just "Fake news" but what he really is as a person.

A person unfit to run this country.

I hope that doesn't come off as harsh at the end. But you also know where I stand with him, so I hope you can forgive me for being a bit terse. lol.

I apologize, I didn't see this, but I will try and respond later.

 

[Chris Craig]

Oh? Okay....then Bush can take credit for Obama's bail outs, or anything else that improved under Obama....which IMO, wasn't much.



We will indeed see. I don't pretend to have a crystal ball myself. But the economy and jobs report cannot be denied, and it's 2 years into his presidency. Even many Liberals acknowledge this.



Indeed, I've had numerous Conservatives tell me how much they're saving in taxes and how much better their tax returns are. And they aren't rich, either.



I consider putting Constitutional Conservatives, instead of Liberal Activists, on the Bench to be a huge accomplishment. But that's just me.



He's been very active at rallies and staying in touch with his base. There's also a website that lists his accomplishments, which I don't have in front of me at the moment, but it has a good, long list of things small and large.

But I doubt he'll get much done with the Democrat House stonewalling him for the next two years.

Again: good talking to you, and thank you again for being respectful. I'm off to watch the game. GO BLAZERS!

Obama was forced to bail out the banks because Bush drove this country into the ground.

We will see about Trump's policies.

Have you heard the terrible things he has said at those rallies? The lies? The things he has made up? The divisiveness. If you see something good in that ok. I don't. Yeah he is keeping his base close.

We will see what happens the next 2 years. Hopefully both parties can work together.

 

[andalusian]

Oh? Okay....then Bush can take credit for Obama's bail outs, or anything else that improved under Obama....which IMO, wasn't much.

I think that the numbers show pretty clearly that the Obama administration's economic plan worked - there should really be no argument there.

The U.S National Bureau of Economic Research defines the great recession between December 2007 and June 2009. Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009, so it had already started before he entered office. Given that he inherited a recession and after his 2 terms we had a fast growing economy is not something that can be debated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession

The unemployment when he got into office was 7.9%, 4.8% when he left.

Now, under Trump unemployment continued to fall (we are at 4% now) - but the actual numbers seem smaller compared to Obama's last years - in 2016 there was 1.95M new jobs created, in 2017 there were only 1.7M new jobs created.

The great Republican economic rallying cry against Obama was the federal deficit - and it is absolutely true that he borrowed heavily to rebuild the economy, and for 4 years (his first term) - the deficit was over $1T. But, when he left office the deficit was $587B (Bush's last pre-recession deficit was $459B).

At the end of Trump's first year the deficit is at $666B - and I suspect it will grow even further with the new tax plan - so the so called Republican "fixes" to the economy show slowing gains and growth of the deficit (the big no-no the Republicans cried about).

We will indeed see. I don't pretend to have a crystal ball myself. But the economy and jobs report cannot be denied, and it's 2 years into his presidency. Even many Liberals acknowledge this.

There is certainly no doubt that he did not immediately muck it about and the GDP, market and unemployment trends continued - even if they were slower growth than before - but there are real concerns - the new tax plan is a great boon to the rich people - but the idea that the market and GDP will continue to grow at rapid pace to overcome the loss of federal income is questionable at best - the deficit is already growing under Trump and I would not be surprised if the deficit will continue to grow at a much higher pace now, despite the fact that we are in a strong economy.

There are also signs that we are at the start of a bear market already - https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/19/investing/stocks-bear-market-morgan-stanley/index.html - and this comes from financial analysts - not political ones.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don’t know how you do it. This is a dude that’s been to your house and treated like a friend. If that person questioned me like this, man that’s not a friend. This is somebody looking for an issue. You or I as white people will never be doing enough for him. We could show up to dumb events even if we don’t have to and that still wouldn’t be enough. This is about control and power over you, it’s not about common ground.

Come on man. This place is merely a 2d version of ourselves. How i do it?
I do it easily because in getting to know D, i 100% believe he is a kind hearted human that means no harm or has hatred towards and group of people. I know he isnt racist.
I also know he has windows of this world im not able to see through.

All you have to do is watch him interact with his son. He gained my respect enough to want to log on and let him know as a friend i agree with his message but how he tries to get it out on here at times, hurts the message more than helps.

 

[Orion Bailey]

My mom did her part by getting herself out of the deep south during the 50s & 60s without racial bias and eventually raised her boys to respect all people regardless of their race.

I do my part with my friends, family and loved ones. That's how we begin to make a change. With those around us. Those we care about and love.

You can educate and show a person how they can change, but that person must want to change in order to make it happen.

And see what i try to work on is the educational system.
Many people dont know that the constitution originally said one vote for every whole person and 3/5ths a vote for all others.
This was aimed at Blacks.
I was never taught this in school.
The glorification of some of the early Europian migrations is ridiculously appauling with the amount of hypocrisy that took place.

Im a believer that if we can teach the truths to the children, they will come to understand equality at an early age.
I think our educational system needs an upheaval when it comes to the curriculum of social studies and history classes. We must start with the truth. Only then can we atart to mend anything. But as long as we teach vague falsities to our children, they will continue to grow up with biases.

 

[Hobbesarable]

And see what i try to work on is the educational system.
Many people dont know that the constitution originally said one vote for every whole person and 3/5ths a vote for all others.
This was aimed at Blacks.
I was never taught this in school.
The glorification of some of the early Europian migrations is ridiculously appauling with the amount of hypocrisy that took place.

Im a believer that if we can teach the truths to the children, they will come to understand equality at an early age.
I think our educational system needs an upheaval when it comes to the curriculum of social studies and history classes. We must start with the truth. Only then can we atart to mend anything. But as long as we teach vague falsities to our children, they will continue to grow up with biases.

I agree with this as long as the children are taught objectively with perspectives from all sides. However, I've seen the material taught through only a Democratic or Republican lens (basically indoctrinating the children to the teacher's political beliefs).

Teach the children objectively and let them make up their own mind. Or ask the children to have a discussion with their parents and open their eyes even further to the real world.

 

[Cippy91]

Come on man. This place is merely a 2d version of ourselves. How i do it?
I do it easily because in getting to know D, i 100% believe he is a kind hearted human that means no harm or has hatred towards and group of people. I know he isnt racist.
I also know he has windows of this world im not able to see through.

All you have to do is watch him interact with his son. He gained my respect enough to want to log on and let him know as a friend i agree with his message but how he tries to get it out on here at times, hurts the message more than helps.

I don't buy it. This dude could text you or some shit, have the conversation elsewhere. Maybe that's how you move, I don't know but with me and my small circle, I know where people stand and they know where I stand because there is trust and loyalty. He is sitting here questioning you like you owe him an answer. You don't. You can't enable behavior like that.

 

[Cippy91]

And see what i try to work on is the educational system.
Many people dont know that the constitution originally said one vote for every whole person and 3/5ths a vote for all others.
This was aimed at Blacks.
I was never taught this in school.
The glorification of some of the early Europian migrations is ridiculously appauling with the amount of hypocrisy that took place.

Im a believer that if we can teach the truths to the children, they will come to understand equality at an early age.
I think our educational system needs an upheaval when it comes to the curriculum of social studies and history classes. We must start with the truth. Only then can we atart to mend anything. But as long as we teach vague falsities to our children, they will continue to grow up with biases.

I would say in the way society is today, it's impossible because of social media and the internet.

 

[dviss1]

The bailouts to the banks was originally a 3 page piece of legislation written by Merritt Paulson's (Timbers Owner) daddy Hank.

It was a piece of shit.

BUSH passed it. Not Obama.

Obama simply oversaw the 2nd part of the distribution of already written legislation.

Let's not rewrite history.

The stimulus package and the bank bailouts were two completely different things.

 

[dviss1]

And see what i try to work on is the educational system.
Many people dont know that the constitution originally said one vote for every whole person and 3/5ths a vote for all others.
This was aimed at Blacks.
I was never taught this in school.
The glorification of some of the early Europian migrations is ridiculously appauling with the amount of hypocrisy that took place.

Im a believer that if we can teach the truths to the children, they will come to understand equality at an early age.
I think our educational system needs an upheaval when it comes to the curriculum of social studies and history classes. We must start with the truth. Only then can we atart to mend anything. But as long as we teach vague falsities to our children, they will continue to grow up with biases.

This. Black history is American History too.

It's why I don't subscribe to the definitions in those dictionaries.

 

[THE HCP]

Those of you attacking @Chris Craig for his moderating were against him landing the "gig" to begin with. You're being bias. He's one of the most level headed dudes on this site, period.

He’s only level headed because he’s bald! #BAM