Any way to get JO AND Brand?

[fefe]

In my opinion Indiana will not be able to get much value for JO. some expirers and one nice prospect or a draft pick might do it.
I say #10 and Marcus should be enough of value. Stro+KVH+Hassell must be added to match salary. (maybe resigned Krstic instead of Hassell)

After that we still have RJ, the #21, #40 and some nice young pieces (Krstic, Sean, Boone) while Brand is still available. Lets work out something for him too. (Hopefully he opts out, and settles for a contract starting around 13 mill... )

Having a starting lineup with Harris, VC, Brand and JO might be enough to get pretty far next year

Im thinking something like:
Harris/FA
VC/Ager
Boki/Hassell
Brand/Boone
JO/FA

The free agents have to be minmum guys to stay under the tax, but Boston did pretty fine with a bench like that this year. (and we can always sign the PJ Brown, Cassell, Ratliff and Damon Stoud.. type veterans at the deadline, to boost the bench)

 

[kobimel]

Getting JO will take much more than Williams, a draft pick and two expiring contracts. Indiana want some real value back, probably some rotation players, a pick or two, an expiring contract AND young talent (see: Kidd to Dallas). I don't think we can realistically believe that bringing both guys here is an option, not to mention the fact that they're both very injury prone and building your team around three injury prone players around the age of 30 (JO, Brand, VC) isn't smart.

 

[dino33]

Jefferson+#10+#40+Marcus+KVH+STRO+Hassell

Tht must be enough..

I'd say thts appropriate



With O'neal, no Brand please.

 

[User01]

that bench would suck, we'd be weak at the 3 and 5, and that would be the most injury prone frontcourt in the league. #10, Marcus, and cap relief is way too much to give up for JO. If we're gonna take on a risky bigman, I'd rather Randolph. RJ for him, Lee, and #6. Cheaper, stays on the court more, probably better, and we can get assets along with him.

 

[Dark Defender]

Jermaine O'Neal is done.

The guy has not been able to say healthy the past 3 or 4 seasons.

 

[ghoti]

I hope you all find another player to obsess over, because three years of these JON threads are starting to make me feel like monkeys are loose in my skull stabbing my brain.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 31 2008, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hope you all find another player to obsess over, because three years of these JON threads are starting to make me feel like monkeys are loose in my skull stabbing my brain.</div>

How about this guy?

 

[JCB]

I can't figure out why some people still want JO. He's an injury waiting to happen. It's not worth it to acquire him if he's not even going to play more than 52 games.

 

[fefe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ May 31 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't figure out why some people still want JO. He's an injury waiting to happen. It's not worth it to acquire him if he's not even going to play more than 52 games.</div>

Yes I know he is damaged goods: Injury prone... has been dogging it in Indy the past 2 years.. also he puplicly said that expects to be traded...
Therefore he has an all time low trade value. But just the same way as in VC's case, all he needs might be just a little change of scenery.

I say Marcus and the number 10 pick with the above mentioned expirers could get him here, and I really beleive he is worth the risk. (It's no risk anyway, since we absolutely don't need the assets that we would give up for him)

then getting Brand forexample for RJ+Sean+no40 would just totally make our frontcourt unstoppable. Yes they might be injury prone, but we still would have Boone and Krstic on the bench...

Not bad I say.

With Vince and Harris in the backcourt our only need would be a serviceable wing.

Yes the bench would suck, but as I just said proven veterans would allways want to come to a team like that for the minimum salary.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Why don't we need the #10 pick?

 

[fefe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 31 2008, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't we need the #10 pick?</div>

Do you see anyone in this years draft, that could be available at 10, and still has potential to become an NBA starter in the next 3-4 years? (and I mean starter on a contending caliber team, not memphis starter kind

)

I dont see prospects like that... everyone has major flaws IMO.
Maybe I just don't like this years class... or maybe I don't want rookies now, I'd prefer to contend next year

Nobody on this board would like the JO-Brand frontcourt on the Nets? vow..
I thought at least someone would agree

 

[Balla 15]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ May 31 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting JO will take much more than Williams, a draft pick and two expiring contracts. Indiana want some real value back, probably some rotation players, a pick or two, an expiring contract AND young talent (see: Kidd to Dallas). I don't think we can realistically believe that bringing both guys here is an option, not to mention the fact that they're both very injury prone and building your team around three injury prone players around the age of 30 (JO, Brand, VC) isn't smart.</div>

Brand and Vince aren't injury prone. Jermaine on the other hand is definitely injury prone. If it's between Brand or O'Neal you take Brand and run.

 

[logik15]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ May 31 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 31 2008, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't we need the #10 pick?</div>

Do you see anyone in this years draft, that could be available at 10, and still has potential to become an NBA starter in the next 3-4 years? (and I mean starter on a contending caliber team, not memphis starter kind

)

I dont see prospects like that... everyone has major flaws IMO.
Maybe I just don't like this years class... or maybe I don't want rookies now, I'd prefer to contend next year

Nobody on this board would like the JO-Brand frontcourt on the Nets? vow..
I thought at least someone would agree

</div>


getting 1 would be hard enough already.... getting both would be pretty much impossible and a fantasy tale

 

[fefe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ May 31 2008, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>getting 1 would be hard enough already.... getting both would be pretty much impossible and a fantasy tale</div>

That's exactly the point that I'm trying to prove wrong.
I think our assets are really good enough to get both.
I think the trades I mentioned are pretty fair.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ May 31 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 31 2008, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't we need the #10 pick?</div>

Do you see anyone in this years draft, that could be available at 10, and still has potential to become an NBA starter in the next 3-4 years? (and I mean starter on a contending caliber team, not memphis starter kind

)

I dont see prospects like that... everyone has major flaws IMO.
Maybe I just don't like this years class... or maybe I don't want rookies now, I'd prefer to contend next year

Nobody on this board would like the JO-Brand frontcourt on the Nets? vow..
I thought at least someone would agree

</div>


Sure, plenty of guys.

 

[cpawfan]

Please explain why anyone would want to tie up that much salary in JON?

 

[fefe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 31 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ May 31 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 31 2008, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't we need the #10 pick?</div>

Do you see anyone in this years draft, that could be available at 10, and still has potential to become an NBA starter in the next 3-4 years? (and I mean starter on a contending caliber team, not memphis starter kind

)

I dont see prospects like that... everyone has major flaws IMO.
Maybe I just don't like this years class... or maybe I don't want rookies now, I'd prefer to contend next year

Nobody on this board would like the JO-Brand frontcourt on the Nets? vow..
I thought at least someone would agree

</div>


Sure, plenty of guys.
</div>

Do you see any of them with a chance of becomin a JON level player in the near future?

 

[fefe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 31 2008, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Please explain why anyone would want to tie up that much salary in JON?</div>

Because that is the price to get an allstar big man.

Look at what Gasol did for the lakers. The Kobe Gasol PnR.. how leathal is that? vow...
VC with JON would work just as well IMO.

 

[pegs]

How would a change of scenery make JON any less injury-prone?

 

[soul driver]

I'd still prefer Brand over JOver the hill.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ May 31 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 31 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ May 31 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 31 2008, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't we need the #10 pick?</div>

Do you see anyone in this years draft, that could be available at 10, and still has potential to become an NBA starter in the next 3-4 years? (and I mean starter on a contending caliber team, not memphis starter kind

)

I dont see prospects like that... everyone has major flaws IMO.
Maybe I just don't like this years class... or maybe I don't want rookies now, I'd prefer to contend next year

Nobody on this board would like the JO-Brand frontcourt on the Nets? vow..
I thought at least someone would agree

</div>


Sure, plenty of guys.
</div>

Do you see any of them with a chance of becomin a JON level player in the near future?

</div>

That question isn't relevant.

2 points:
1) It's not #10 for JON. We'd be sacrificing other players and salary that could be used for bench help.
2) JON's injuries are a big concern.

 

[Astral]

Uhm. Elton Brand is not injury prone. One season ending injury doesn't make him injury prone.
O'Neal on the other hand, is injury prone.

Elton Brand has been historically a more productive player than O'Neal. He's also a ton smarter and much more mature. O'Neal talked crap about Kenyon Martin during 01-02 playoffs then got destroyed by him. Elton Brand received a Sportsmanship award.

The two guys are on different levels. And getting them both is just silly.

 

[ghoti]

Nobody on this board wants the Nets to pick up The Professor?

I thought at least one person would be excited about that.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 31 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody on this board wants the Nets to pick up The Professor?

I thought at least one person would be excited about that.</div>

I was thinking about ESCALADE! Maybe Mark Jackson can help bring him in.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ May 31 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 31 2008, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Please explain why anyone would want to tie up that much salary in JON?</div>

Because that is the price to get an allstar big man.

Look at what Gasol did for the lakers. The Kobe Gasol PnR.. how leathal is that? vow...
VC with JON would work just as well IMO.
</div>

That is a ridiculous comparison. LMAO at VC and JON working as well as Kobe and Gasol.

JON is no longer an All Star bigman, has a boat anchor of a contract and a crappy attitude.

 

[ghoti]

Why don't we just wait until next year's trade deadline and see which team David Stern wants Brand to play for,

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ May 31 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you see any of them with a chance of becomin a JON level player in the near future?</div>

I see lots of them being more productive than JON over the next 3 years.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 31 2008, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't we just wait until next year's trade deadline and see which team David Stern wants Brand to play for,</div>

Because he'll likely opt out this summer

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 31 2008, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 31 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody on this board wants the Nets to pick up The Professor?

I thought at least one person would be excited about that.</div>

I was thinking about ESCALADE! Maybe Mark Jackson can help bring him in.
</div>

The ESCALADE and VC will work just as well as Gasol and Kobe, IMO.

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 31 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 31 2008, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't we just wait until next year's trade deadline and see which team David Stern wants Brand to play for,</div>

Because he'll likely opt out this summer
</div>

JON is going to get 21+ million dollars a year over the next two seasons. Why would he opt out? I can see the desire of wanting a contract past 2 years, but who in this league is going to pay him anywhere close to that kind of money?

edit: whoops I'm an idiot

, thanks ghoti