Anyone know why Muslims hate being photographed?

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MarAzul said:
When we do Nuke em, and I think it may come to that, it will be right after the few fuck it up for the many, by bringing us a nuke in a sack.

The pussy leadership we have lacks the understanding, the knowledge and the will to get to the root of the problem. That could prove to be disastrous
for us and them. We as a people need to hold our leadership to be accountable for the task at hand.
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Better nuke the white people, too. McVeigh with a nuke is your scenario.
 
Denny Crane said:
Better nuke the white people, too. McVeigh with a nuke is your scenario.
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McVeigh should have spent some time on the water board before being snuffed out.
No nuke needed.

What is it with this sore on your ass about white people? Seems like a heavy load man.
 
Waterboard after using the nuke is too late.

I have no beef with white people or any people at all. That's the point.

Individuals? Like McVeigh, sure.
 
Denny Crane said:
Here you go.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism#Recent_polls

John Esposito, using poll data from Gallup, wrote that Muslims and Americans were equally likely to reject violence against civilians. He also found that those Muslims who support violence against civilians are no more religious than Muslims who do not.
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OK, and linked data that showed that 50% of Indonesian Muslims support a terrorist. Again, could you perhaps show SOMETHING to back up your absurd claim that there are a few thousand Muslims that support terrorism?

Posting random pics of people that you don't agree with doesn't do anything to bolster you silly claim.

Are you really saying that people that want illegal immigrant to leave, instead of giving amnesty, are terroists?

Go Blazers
 
Denny Crane said:
You asked. I knew you wouldn't like the answer because there are many like this one.
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I don't like it because it doesn't have a thing to do with the topic we were discussing. Let me refresh your memory....you were making the case that there are only a few thousand Muslims that support terrorism. You've said that 19% of Palestinians alone support Hamas. Wtf?

Go Blazers
 
You simply have a flaw in your logic. A is a terrorist. B supports A. B supports terrorism. Not true.

Edit: A offers free food. B is hungry.
 
Just to get back on track with the thread question, I'm not Muslim and I hate being photographed. My grandmother was half Lakota Sioux and she used to tell me the Lakota thought having your photo taken was like having your soul stolen. Sort of a fear of ghosts scenario.
 
Also like to point out that the American revolution was carried out by folks the British called terrorists. So was the French revolution and we could go on about it but current affairs drive the stereotypes. The IRA was the bad guy in the news when I was young and those were Catholic Irish kids. Why single out a subculture and lump them all into one boogey man definition? Mao's red guard had an average age of about 10 and they terrorized all the capitalists in China. Bloody Run Creek in the Sierra Mts during the gold rush the miners slaughtered 30,000 Chinese laborers on payday instead of paying them after they built all the flumes for the water cannons. In the words of Bukowski...people are not good to one another.
 
MarAzul said:
Flawed logic.
B still supports A no matter how many meals he gets.
And urged to do so by the religious leaders.

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com...ill-jews-and-christians-they-are-not-innocent
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Absurd. There's a minister in florida burning korans. This guy is on the same level.

And check out the peace and love in the comments to your very post:

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Oldguy, you're viewing this as a black and white issue. I'm not going to do the research for you, but here are a few factors that may make it a little more complicated (because it's, you know, real life).

1. Groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Brotherhood have military wings that do what we would call terrorism. Those groups also are community organizers (I knew Obama was involved somehow! jk). Like Denny said, people are hungry and they offer food. The Brotherhood control large parts of Egypt, but not through strong arm tactics but because they are a sort of a local government to the poor, conservative and religious areas in upper Egypt. Hezbollah run entire neighborhoods in Lebanon that don't get along with the poly-religious government in Beirut. Hamas is more complicated because it's central to the Israel-Palestinian conflict, and good luck talking sense to either side of that kerfuffle. Either way, these organizations look much more like government than Al-Qaeda. There are large differences. Because people support Hamas or Hezbollah doesn't mean they're supporting terrorism, especially not from their point of view.

2. Public opinion polling in the Middle East and North Africa (I won't mention Indonesia or Bangladesh because I know nothing about them) is super duper problematic. What constitutes an opinion is complex shit; boiling it down via the answer to predetermined questions is problematic enough. But people in the Middle East and North Africa have some markedly different ways of coming to conclusions that we in the West do. So, I would argue that polling is inherently flawed when applied to the Middle Eastern mindset. For example, in my experience, people are likely to give you a snap answer to a question, but then when you sit down for some coffee, talk it out for a while, they will end up actually saying the opposite (which you never ever point out so they can save face). Maybe someone will say they hate America, but if you talk to them about it, they will clarify that they hate American policies (understandable) and not their values or population. In fact, the majority I talked to wanted to go to America because of, you know, freedom.

3. Another thing is education. People may not know what Al-Qaeda actually is. People may not know who Osama bin Laden really was. I came across so many variations. A lot of people think it was all made up by the worldwide Jew controlled media. A lot of people think that they're real and Osama is awesome because he rallies against Western imperialism, but terrorism is wrong. Many people think he was real but don't even think he was responsible for 9/11.

Many of us in the West take our knowledge base as granted for the rest of the world. In a region where many people still can't read or write, it's crazy to think that our public opinion polls have the same amount of reliability then they do here.
 
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 
hoojacks said:
Oldguy, you're viewing this as a black and white issue. I'm not going to do the research for you, but here are a few factors that may make it a little more complicated (because it's, you know, real life).

1. Groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Brotherhood have military wings that do what we would call terrorism. Those groups also are community organizers (I knew Obama was involved somehow! jk). Like Denny said, people are hungry and they offer food. The Brotherhood control large parts of Egypt, but not through strong arm tactics but because they are a sort of a local government to the poor, conservative and religious areas in upper Egypt. Hezbollah run entire neighborhoods in Lebanon that don't get along with the poly-religious government in Beirut. Hamas is more complicated because it's central to the Israel-Palestinian conflict, and good luck talking sense to either side of that kerfuffle. Either way, these organizations look much more like government than Al-Qaeda. There are large differences. Because people support Hamas or Hezbollah doesn't mean they're supporting terrorism, especially not from their point of view.

2. Public opinion polling in the Middle East and North Africa (I won't mention Indonesia or Bangladesh because I know nothing about them) is super duper problematic. What constitutes an opinion is complex shit; boiling it down via the answer to predetermined questions is problematic enough. But people in the Middle East and North Africa have some markedly different ways of coming to conclusions that we in the West do. So, I would argue that polling is inherently flawed when applied to the Middle Eastern mindset. For example, in my experience, people are likely to give you a snap answer to a question, but then when you sit down for some coffee, talk it out for a while, they will end up actually saying the opposite (which you never ever point out so they can save face). Maybe someone will say they hate America, but if you talk to them about it, they will clarify that they hate American policies (understandable) and not their values or population. In fact, the majority I talked to wanted to go to America because of, you know, freedom.

3. Another thing is education. People may not know what Al-Qaeda actually is. People may not know who Osama bin Laden really was. I came across so many variations. A lot of people think it was all made up by the worldwide Jew controlled media. A lot of people think that they're real and Osama is awesome because he rallies against Western imperialism, but terrorism is wrong. Many people think he was real but don't even think he was responsible for 9/11.

Many of us in the West take our knowledge base as granted for the rest of the world. In a region where many people still can't read or write, it's crazy to think that our public opinion polls have the same amount of reliability then they do here.
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Interesting speech you give Hoo but what the hell is your point?
 
hoojacks said:
Oldguy, you're viewing this as a black and white issue. I'm not going to do the research for you, but here are a few factors that may make it a little more complicated (because it's, you know, real life).

1. Groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Brotherhood have military wings that do what we would call terrorism. Those groups also are community organizers (I knew Obama was involved somehow! jk). Like Denny said, people are hungry and they offer food. The Brotherhood control large parts of Egypt, but not through strong arm tactics but because they are a sort of a local government to the poor, conservative and religious areas in upper Egypt. Hezbollah run entire neighborhoods in Lebanon that don't get along with the poly-religious government in Beirut. Hamas is more complicated because it's central to the Israel-Palestinian conflict, and good luck talking sense to either side of that kerfuffle. Either way, these organizations look much more like government than Al-Qaeda. There are large differences. Because people support Hamas or Hezbollah doesn't mean they're supporting terrorism, especially not from their point of view.

2. Public opinion polling in the Middle East and North Africa (I won't mention Indonesia or Bangladesh because I know nothing about them) is super duper problematic. What constitutes an opinion is complex shit; boiling it down via the answer to predetermined questions is problematic enough. But people in the Middle East and North Africa have some markedly different ways of coming to conclusions that we in the West do. So, I would argue that polling is inherently flawed when applied to the Middle Eastern mindset. For example, in my experience, people are likely to give you a snap answer to a question, but then when you sit down for some coffee, talk it out for a while, they will end up actually saying the opposite (which you never ever point out so they can save face). Maybe someone will say they hate America, but if you talk to them about it, they will clarify that they hate American policies (understandable) and not their values or population. In fact, the majority I talked to wanted to go to America because of, you know, freedom.

3. Another thing is education. People may not know what Al-Qaeda actually is. People may not know who Osama bin Laden really was. I came across so many variations. A lot of people think it was all made up by the worldwide Jew controlled media. A lot of people think that they're real and Osama is awesome because he rallies against Western imperialism, but terrorism is wrong. Many people think he was real but don't even think he was responsible for 9/11.

Many of us in the West take our knowledge base as granted for the rest of the world. In a region where many people still can't read or write, it's crazy to think that our public opinion polls have the same amount of reliability then they do here.
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Maybe because many of us in the West can only read or write in english? I think you'll find the Arabic world to be fairly literate in their native tongues. Then there are the Serbs and Bosnians who were definitely literate. Our knowledge of world affairs and subcultures is based on the info printed in the english speaking press for the most part. Interesting post though, give you credit for that.
 
hoojacks said:
that these issues are more complicated than public opinion polls (or cherry picked verses from the Qur'an in your case) can demonstrate
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Are you saying that all these terrorist activities that take place have nothing to to with the Fatwas calling for the action? That these people are just poor uninformed hungry down trodden people that desperately need our understanding and forgiveness for their despicable acts?

If so that opinion appears like it might have been formed by an atheist that can't possible believe
people do in fact act on behalf of their religion. Are you sure your own belief system (or lack of one) is not clouding your judgement?
 
MarAzul said:
Are you saying that all these terrorist activities that take place have nothing to to with the Fatwas calling for the action? That these people are just poor uninformed hungry down trodden people that desperately need our understanding and forgiveness for their despicable acts?

If so that opinion appears like it might have been formed by an atheist that can't possible believe
people do in fact act on behalf of their religion. Are you sure your own belief system (or lack of one) is not clouding your judgement?
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It's fairly common for blood feuds to go back centuries. If someone blows up my house and kills my family I don't think I'm going to file a civil suit and go through diplomatic channels. Unless someone has experienced anything of it's kind it's pretty clear that intellectually we have high ideals but emotionally humans are not that highly evolved. There just aren't many Ghandis or Dalai Lamas running around these days.
 
riverman said:
Maybe because many of us in the West can only read or write in english? I think you'll find the Arabic world to be fairly literate in their native tongues. Then there are the Serbs and Bosnians who were definitely literate. Our knowledge of world affairs and subcultures is based on the info printed in the english speaking press for the most part. Interesting post though, give you credit for that.
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No, I meant in their native tongue. Literacy rates in the Arab world and in North Africa aren't superb. Literacy is also a grey area. Someone may be able to read or write enough to get by, but can they read a newspaper? Can they understand a news broadcast in Modern Standard Arabic when they themselves speak a different dialect? Media literacy and which sources to trust is a whole 'nother can of beans entirely. The prevalence of belief in conspiracy theories is astounding.
 
Well, there's always only one dalai lama right?
 
MarAzul said:
Are you saying that all these terrorist activities that take place have nothing to to with the Fatwas calling for the action? That these people are just poor uninformed hungry down trodden people that desperately need our understanding and forgiveness for their despicable acts?

If so that opinion appears like it might have been formed by an atheist that can't possible believe
people do in fact act on behalf of their religion. Are you sure your own belief system (or lack of one) is not clouding your judgement?
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Try to understand. I'm not saying ALL of anything is anything. I'm trying to get you people to get away from that kind of thinking. That's why I pointed out all those factors. ITS NEVER ALL OF ANYTHING.

When you stop generalizing you'll have a better understanding (if that's even your goal).
 
How about this, each year, whoever kills the most civilians is the new terrorist. I think we come out looking bad, but it seems like a fair metric, no?
 
hoojacks said:
Try to understand. I'm not saying ALL of anything is anything. I'm trying to get you people to get away from that kind of thinking. That's why I pointed out all those factors. ITS NEVER ALL OF ANYTHING.

When you stop generalizing you'll have a better understanding (if that's even your goal).
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Well then Hoo, for a man that admits he has not read the Koran nor studied religion, you do use a lot of ink.
 
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