Anyone know why Muslims hate being photographed?

[DaLincolnJones]

There's value in knowing the small details. It discourages people from making sweeping generalizations.

And I'd love to hear why you think people do suicide bombings.

Oh and so you dont attempt to say that it the fault of Americans..here is some European views

http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...tween-muslim-identity-and-western-citizenship

http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/07/growing-tensions-between-muslims-and.html

http://www.rense.com/general92/mtu.htm

http://www.futureagenda.org/pg/cx/view#382

http://www.rferl.org/content/pakistan-hindu-grave-exhumed/25130744.html

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ne...slamist-extremists-.aspx?pageID=238&nid=42916

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/dougla...-europe-is-dishonest-about-islamic-extremism/

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2367/european-muslim-no-go-zones

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

If you are serious, read a few of these

http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/06/22/the-great-divide-how-westerners-and-muslims-view-each-other/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/themes/west.html

http://www.truthbeknown.com/islam.htm

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/139795

http://www.newenglishreview.org/Nic...d_Westerners:__The_Psychological_Differences/

The last one is an ok overview of suicide bombings, but there are better. If you bother to read any of this material, as I have, than you will have a clearer understanding of where my opinions are derived.

Oh and so you dont attempt to say that it the fault of Americans..here is some European views

http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...tween-muslim-identity-and-western-citizenship

http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/07/growing-tensions-between-muslims-and.html

http://www.rense.com/general92/mtu.htm

http://www.futureagenda.org/pg/cx/view#382

http://www.rferl.org/content/pakistan-hindu-grave-exhumed/25130744.html

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ne...slamist-extremists-.aspx?pageID=238&nid=42916

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/dougla...-europe-is-dishonest-about-islamic-extremism/

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2367/european-muslim-no-go-zones

While I'm glad you are reading up on the subject, you didn't answer why you think people strap on a suicide vest.

The only link you supplied that talks about suicide bombing started with this:

Islam is the perfect religion to give justification for those who feel under attack and to maintain the eternal “victim" fantasy. Islam is also “higher” than Christianity because it comes last in co-opting the revelations of Sinai and the New Testament. What a perfect receptacle for projecting hatred. Islam incites, encourages and permits hatred of the Jew and Jihad. It’s perfect for a fragile personality that has the need to hate and the need to have an enemy. There are billions of people out there who share those sentiments and that profile. As an underdog religion, Islam provides great mass appeal, which even Eric Hoffer, the author of the True Believer, noted in 1951. It should come as no surprise that its numbers are growing. If one has a grievance, Islam will take care of it.

Cripes. Upon further inspection, that whole "academic journal" is a wing of the World Encounter Institute, whose mission statement is...

The New English Review and the New English Review Press are an internet based magazine and publishing house, dedicated to the return of the spirit of public debate that began when the Greek philosophers and Hebrew prophets first walked the streets of Athens and Jerusalem. In the 21st century that exercise of a free conscience is threatened by a new darkness that has descended upon our schools, media and many of our elected representatives; the appeasement of radical Islam and its fellow travelling cultural Marxists who we challenge and oppose in the pages of our journal and books.

 

[MarAzul]

While I'm glad you are reading up on the subject, you didn't answer why you think people strap on a suicide vest.

The only link you supplied that talks about suicide bombing started with this:



Cripes. Upon further inspection, that whole "academic journal" is a wing of the World Encounter Institute, whose mission statement is...

Have you read the Koran hoojacks?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Have you read the Koran hoojacks?

Yes, but it was for linguistic purposes.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Look, I'm not asking why people put on suicide vests because I don't have any idea. I want to know what you guys think and why.

 

[jlprk]

The answer to the thread title, is, of course,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_make_unto_thee_any_graven_image

Only in the last 40 years have some Muslims, of the liberal side, allowed themselves to be photographed.

 

[MarAzul]

Yes, but it was for linguistic purposes.

Read it for the purpose of learning how Mohammad teaches the people of Islam how to live, and how to deal with the other people, the non believers.
Pay attention to how they are to deal with any slight against a mans honor or other perceived transgressions. All Americans should know these teachings
and who can issue a Fattwa calling for Jihad, Who should fight in the Jihad. How is a Jihad concluded, all things we all need to know.

 

[riverman]

Why don 't you just go to a local Muslim center or temple and ask someone? After 9/11 I would think a lot of Middle eastern folks would not really want westerners taking photos of them or observing them in anyway that would single them out as a cult. Stereotypes like these are dangerous.....fill in the blanks!

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Read it for the purpose of learning how Mohammad teaches the people of Islam how to live, and how to deal with the other people, the non believers.
Pay attention to how they are to deal with any slight against a mans honor or other perceived transgressions. All Americans should know these teachings
and who can issue a Fattwa calling for Jihad, Who should fight in the Jihad. How is a Jihad concluded, all things we all need to know.

Sorry, I was too busy reading the bible so I could figure out what Christians thought about wearing mixed fabrics.

Sorry, reading the Qur'an and assuming you know how it applies will only encourage misunderstanding. Schools of Islamic interpretation are plentiful, complex, pedantic, add very influential in Muslim society

 

[cmeese47]

They believe that if you photograph them then the lack of refection will prove that they have no soul.

Thats vampires and gingers

 

[cmeese47]

Schools of Islamic interpretation are plentiful, complex, pedantic, add very influential in Muslim society

So is praying 5 times a day no educating women and blowing stuff up

PS just for clarification this is not a personal opinion nor is it directed at anyone on the message boards, the post is just a generic rehashing of commonly held American stereotypes about Muslims

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

So is praying 5 times a day no educating women and blowing stuff up

lol

 

[MarAzul]

Sorry, I was too busy reading the bible so I could figure out what Christians thought about wearing mixed fabrics.

Sorry, reading the Qur'an and assuming you know how it applies will only encourage misunderstanding. Schools of Islamic interpretation are plentiful, complex, pedantic, add very influential in Muslim society

Very interesting take. Don't read the Koran, and you will be better informed than if you read it?

I have never been exposed to that sort of logic before.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So is praying 5 times a day no educating women and blowing stuff up

Seems like you don't want to have a discussion about or learn about Muslims or their religion, you're just using this as an excuse to bash them.

You've flagged posts and expressed concern to me about posts that bashed or insulted Christianity. Aren't you doing the same with Muslims?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Very interesting take. Don't read the Koran, and you will be better informed than if you read it?

I have never been exposed to that sort of logic before.

I didn't say don't read the Qur'an. I'm saying you need all the context of history in order to figure out why what you're reading matters.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Seems like you don't want to have a discussion about or learn about CULTURE, GROUP OR IDEA I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH, you're just using this as an excuse to bash them.

This pretty much sums up half the OT section at any given time

 

[MarAzul]

I didn't say don't read the Qur'an. I'm saying you need all the context of history in order to figure out why what you're reading matters.

Absolutely you need the context of history and the other religions too. Only then can you begin to tell the salient differences. You might discover than the teachings of Budda (Buddhist), Christina (Hindu) and Jesus (Christianity) are not all that different, in many cases very much the same.

However, when it comes to the Koran, there are some remarkable divergences and people in America should become aware these differences. Reading the Koran is probably the only way to being this awareness.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Absolutely you need the context of history and the other religions too. Only then can you begin to tell the salient differences. You might discover than the teachings of Budda (Buddhist), Christina (Hindu) and Jesus (Christianity) are not all that different, in many cases very much the same.

However, when it comes to the Koran, there are some remarkable divergences and people in America should become aware these differences. Reading the Koran is probably the only way to being this awareness.

Why does everyone in America need to become a religious scholar?

 

[jlprk]

Ah grasshopper. All must learn kung fu else they conquer the world in leaps and bounds.

 

[PapaG]

I think it's because it came out they're all vampires.

 

[cmeese47]

Seems like you don't want to have a discussion about or learn about Muslims or their religion, you're just using this as an excuse to bash them.

You've flagged posts and expressed concern to me about posts that bashed or insulted Christianity. Aren't you doing the same with Muslims?

Can't I discuss them and insult them at the same time especially since such comments are not against the rules. Personally I am curious to learn from other about why the Sunni are so radically against the depiction of Muhammad appearing on tv. So much so that they threaten to bomb studios and kill people who share such images. Furthermore, if images were so bad why don't other sects within the Muslim faith tend to feel as strongly?

As far as religious topics are concerned this is an OT thread for talking about the Muslim faith and more specifically the negative connotation images have with in it. It is not some random post full of profanity and crazy over reactions to a two minute stretch of a game in which the Blazers were winning.

 

[jlprk]

The better question is, why do women refuse to be photographed. They ruin every group picture I take, refusing to participate. You think your job is hard. Imagine being a snobby Muslim photo shop catering to rich Muslim women.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Can't I discuss them and insult them at the same time especially since such comments are not against the rules. Personally I am curious to learn from other about why the Sunni are so radically against the depiction of Muhammad appearing on tv. So much so that they threaten to bomb studios and kill people who share such images. Furthermore, if images were so bad why don't other sects within the Muslim faith tend to feel as strongly?

As far as religious topics are concerned this is an OT thread for talking about the Muslim faith and more specifically the negative connotation images have with in it. It is not some random post full of profanity and crazy over reactions to a two minute stretch of a game in which the Blazers were winning.

Sly didn't say it was against the rules, he's just calling you on your bullshit cleverly hidden as disingenuous curiosity.

 

[Cryptkeeper]

Dude, you have no idea what happens in this OT section. I'm the resident "Let's keep the discussion on Islam civil" guy.

My post wasnt aimed at you.
Though I still don't like how people use this thread, i realized that it wasnt right of me to post here asking for it to be civilized in the first place, seeing as i do not manage this section. Therefore i retract said statement.

How did a person with 31 posts in 8 years get to be a mod?

I actually registered 2 days ago, and requested a name change shortly after i applied for a moderator position. Truebluefan tried to change it, but the name 'Alex' was already in use by a user who registered in 2006, so he merged my account with his.

 

[cmeese47]

Sly didn't say it was against the rules, he's just calling you on your bullshit cleverly hidden as disingenuous curiosity.

Why is my curiosity disingenuous because I am not planning on converting to Muslim? Last I checked there are still a lot of Muslim terrorists out there and by understanding them I can hopefully find a weakness that may ultimately save my life, or at learn to recognize when someone is about to declare a Jihad.

Additionally, sometimes I just like to learn shit.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Human portrait art is pretty boring, I'm not about to kill you for doing it though, feel free

Did you just call Muhammad a human being? Good luck with that...

 

[donkiez]

Why is my curiosity disingenuous because I am not planning on converting to Muslim? Last I checked there are still a lot of Muslim terrorists out there and by understanding them I can hopefully find a weakness that may ultimately save my life, or at learn to recognize when someone is about to declare a Jihad.

Additionally, sometimes I just like to learn shit.

I would say religious zealotism is not limited to Islam, its just more prevalent there at the moment due to "the chip"on muslims shoulder based on how they are taken advantage of in their own countries by the western world. Add that to giving Imams high political powers in their countries and control of the education, as well as poverty or the populace, and its a recipe for resentment and suicide bombs. This is why our constitution and separation of church and state are so important, politics and religion don't mix well and laws should not be made to satisfy religious motives. Really I view modern day terrorists as the new communists, a very convenient boggy man to keep our war machine rolling.

 

[MARIS61]

My post wasnt aimed at you.
Though I still don't like how people use this thread, i realized that it wasnt right of me to post here asking for it to be civilized in the first place, seeing as i do not manage this section. Therefore i retract said statement.


I actually registered 2 days ago, and requested a name change shortly after i applied for a moderator position. Truebluefan tried to change it, but the name 'Alex' was already in use by a user who registered in 2006, so he merged my account with his.

So you're MIXUM?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

My post wasnt aimed at you.
Though I still don't like how people use this thread, i realized that it wasnt right of me to post here asking for it to be civilized in the first place, seeing as i do not manage this section. Therefore i retract said statement.


I actually registered 2 days ago, and requested a name change shortly after i applied for a moderator position. Truebluefan tried to change it, but the name 'Alex' was already in use by a user who registered in 2006, so he merged my account with his.

Huh. Weird. Welcome to the show.

Is your avatar yours?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Why is my curiosity disingenuous because I am not planning on converting to Muslim?

Uhhhh, no. Besides the fact that one doesn't "convert to Muslim," your religion has nothing to do with it. Look, it's hard to take someone asking questions about Islam seriously when they simultaneously demonstrate hostility towards it and the people who practice it.

Last I checked there are still a lot of Muslim terrorists out there and by understanding them I can hopefully find a weakness that may ultimately save my life, or at learn to recognize when someone is about to declare a Jihad.

You do know that declaring Jihad isn't like, a bodily function that has warning signs so that you can jump out of the way at the last moment, right? And you're not going to be able to recognize a potential Muslim terrorist unless you get to know some Muslims and talk to them at length about their views on Islam. You're not off to a good start.

Additionally, sometimes I just like to learn shit.

So why don't you buy a book on Islam so you can talk shit to it in the privacy of your own home?