Anyone know why Muslims hate being photographed?

[MarAzul]

Gallup Poll, dude. Nobody "sympathetic to muslims" for whatever reason. It shows that it isn't a Muslim thing to "support" terrorism (in your world view of things). In fact, they support it less than other people.

And yeah, it has everything to do with what's been going on in this thread. The question is about Muslims and photographs, but it really is about understanding Muslims and their culture. Some people make it out to be that there's some vast number of terrorists out there posing an enormous threat. When that claim is examined with any kind of reasoned scrutiny, it turns out to be outright false.

You can count the actual terrorists and armies of "terrorist" groups. In my 200K estimate, I looked at reports by foreign policy think tanks about a number of the "scary" terrorist organizations and found them to number in the hundreds or low thousands. I looked at the sizes of military wings of well established and state funded (Iran supported) organizations. I looked at the size of organized and unorganized groups fighting in Arab Spring revolts. 200K may be too high, as I said.

There's no way there are 100M radical Muslims. Even a fraction (10%) of that many would constitute an army twice the size of the US force in all of World War II. I don't see anything even close to WWII going on, do you? Seriously.

Esposito works for or with Gallup. He's written at least three books about the perceived threat from Islam and none of them say what you claim he or the gallup questions do. The 7% figure you come up with is indeed in his book, but only a little bit of further examination shows:



In practice, nowhere near that number supports terrorist groups.

The numbers aren't "shockingly high," they are shockingly low for all the brouhaha that is made and fear mongering intended.

The cherry picking is ignoring the data about Protestants' views and Catholics' views, etc., when asked the same questions. Those answers sure make Muslims look the most "peaceful" among those religions.

Have a look at this, too:

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Interesting stuff you push Denny. With all these good Muslims about you would think one would have turned in some of these bad guys. But no, They jailed the one that did in Pakistan.
Hell with all these do gooders they should be able to stomp out the terrorist is a matter of days, if the wanted to do it. Lot of ink use by them with no action though.

How long do you think it will take for them to bring those bastard that kill the guys in Benghazi to justice? Two years and counting now, but it will likely be just like they did something
about the guys that did the USS Cole and the bastards that brought down the Embassy in Nairobi.

No I don't think we can count on them to do shit. They harbor the bad guys with impunity. If they harbor the guys that declare themselves to be our enemy, what does it make them?

 

[Denny Crane]

Interesting stuff you push Denny. With all these good Muslims about you would think one would have turned in some of these bad guys. But no, They jailed the one that did in Pakistan.
Hell with all these do gooders they should be able to stomp out the terrorist is a matter of days, if the wanted to do it. Lot of ink use by them with no action though.

How long do you think it will take for them to bring those bastard that kill the guys in Benghazi to justice? Two years and counting now, but it will likely be just like they did something
about the guys that did the USS Cole and the bastards that brought down the Embassy in Nairobi.

No I don't think we can count on them to do shit. They harbor the bad guys with impunity. If they harbor the guys that declare themselves to be our enemy, what does it make them?

Who did those things? Serial killers. One guy can kill a bunch of people and cause a lot of panic. In this case, it's very few who are the serial killers. And they're not necessarily radicalized muslims, but guys who see themselves as freedom fighters.

Benghazi? Shit, we bombed the old regime out of existence, so there was no law and order. And the people did kill the terrorist gadaffi, which kinda pokes a giant hole in your BS.

 

[MarAzul]

Who did those things? Serial killers. One guy can kill a bunch of people and cause a lot of panic. In this case, it's very few who are the serial killers. And they're not necessarily radicalized muslims, but guys who see themselves as freedom fighters.

Benghazi? Shit, we bombed the old regime out of existence, so there was no law and order. And the people did kill the terrorist gadaffi, which kinda pokes a giant hole in your BS.

I take it your opinion is, all these good Muslims will do zilch about ridding the world of the terrorist in their house? Not the Pirate either? Well, I suppose the day will come when the will wish they had.

Here is a map of some more culture these good Muslims bring us"

http://www.icc-ccs.org/piracy-reporting-centre/live-piracy-map

http://sv-totem.blogspot.com/2013/09/pirates-in-south-china-sea.html

Sort of gives me an idea for a new business, A Pirate Sport Shooting Voyage. Where you arm your paying clients well with long range
stuff like, 264 Winchester Magnums and go looking for Pirates. Want to Join a cruise?

 

[Denny Crane]

Arab Spring IS getting rid of terrorists. And regimes that create the cause for the terrorists.

 

[MarAzul]

Arab Spring IS getting rid of terrorists. And regimes that create the cause for the terrorists.

Really? Who reported that fact?

No to the Pirate hunt?

Here is a little statement to ponder, Notice the part about the rise of Islam.

"Historians recognize that piracy is a land-based crime which is manifested at sea. Pirates
have always needed access to sanctuary, safe areas where they could escape their pursuers, and
which more often than not were protected politically and legally rather than because they were
located in remote regions. The pirates of Barbary were working in the service of recognized states
and the United States treated them as such. Whilst the pirates of modern-day Somalia are not
working in the service of any part of the Somali state directly they can find sanctuary behind
inviolable borders and internally through political protection. Because the rise of Islamism has
added a new layer of turbulence to the political situation within Somalia, and if allowed to gain a
firmer foothold could spread regionally, the solution to Somali piracy is linked ineluctably to
political dynamics ashore."

http://www.csbaonline.org/4Publicat...17.Somali_Piracy/B.20090417.Somali_Piracy.pdf

 

[Denny Crane]

Saddam killed millions of Muslims. They hanged him after a hasty trial. The Iraqi people did.

Your truth filter seems to skip news not in line with your reasoning.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Muammar_Gaddafi

 

[BlazerWookee]

Does anyone know if Muslims taste like chicken? We could kill all of them, cook them and then feed them to starving Christian Africans. Then people who are afraid of Muslims could feel good about killing them.

I heard that Allah's tears taste like bacon...

 

[Denny Crane]

http://reason.com/archives/2006/06/06/the-jihad-against-muslims

 

[MarAzul]

http://reason.com/archives/2006/06/06/the-jihad-against-muslims

That article is a tad old to be useful to your forgiving view of Islam.

"there are sweeping generalizations that reduce any social or political problem anywhere to a “Muslim problem” as long as there are Muslims involved. Take this description by Mark Steyn: “There are many trouble spots around the world, but as a general rule, it’s easy to make an educated guess at one of the participants: Muslims vs. Jews in ‘Palestine,’ Muslims vs. Hindus in Kashmir, Muslims vs. Christians in Africa, Muslims vs. Buddhists in Thailand, Muslims vs. Russians in the Caucasus, Muslims vs. backpacking tourists in Bali.”

Yep, Muslims raising hell far and wide. But since the article was written the Chechnya Muslims have expanded their role from Russia to the US. In Boston a number of Americans were killed and many maimed by a couple of Chechnya Muslims. The you can also add the US Muslim shooting up Fort Hood, killing many soldiers.

The rotten apples in Korea in no way let the Muslim off the hook as the leaders of terrorist violence around the world. Violence they justify as followers of Islam, Soldiers of Allah.

I will have to give the writer credit for getting this close to correct though; '

"This is not to say that there is no trouble with Islam today. By and large, it has not adjusted to modernity as well as the other major faiths. All religions have their fundamentalists and extremists, but as the Muslim reformer and feminist Irshad Manji has pointed out, it is only in Islam today that the fundamentalist, extremist strain is a large part of the mainstream. At its fanatical worst, this extremism can turn to deadly violence. Even in milder forms, its misogyny and rejection of pluralism make it incompatible with a liberal society."

If you read the Koran I can see where the radical Islamic soldier of Allah finds his justification for the despicable acts they commit way to often. What I can not find is how the so called good Muslims can say, "Islam is a religion of peace." Really! Islam is the only religion that calls for in tolerate treatment of non believers. Buddhism does not teach this, The Hindu religion does not do this. The Christian religion does not do this and it is a mistake to take the Old Testament
tales of intolerance in the Hebrew history to be the teachings of Christianity So the writer is misinform in his suggesting Christianity teaches violence.

The Christian Churches of many year ago were not so tolerant but I do believe they have corrected that error for quites some time now. Now it is way past time for the leaders of Islam to update their teaching to join the modern era.

 

[Denny Crane]

I am quite convinced you misrepresent what's in the Koran. It may have passages about violence, but it also has passages about peace. When confronted with the bloody violence in the judeo-christian bible, you shrug it off, but that's no argument, nor is it interesting.

Your extreme examples are no different than Jim Jones and his nut job religious freaks getting all radical and drinking the poison kook-aid, or the christian terrorists who bomb abortion clinics and/or murder doctors.

 

[MarAzul]

I am quite convinced you misrepresent what's in the Koran. It may have passages about violence, but it also has passages about peace. When confronted with the bloody violence in the judeo-christian bible, you shrug it off, but that's no argument, nor is it interesting.

Your extreme examples are no different than Jim Jones and his nut job religious freaks getting all radical and drinking the poison kook-aid, or the christian terrorists who bomb abortion clinics and/or murder doctors.

Ha! Read some about religion then get back to me. Jim Jones? A nut job to be sure, reading about him won't do you much good, try the actual scriptures
an write something informative.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ha! Read some about religion then get back to me. Jim Jones? A nut job to be sure, reading about him won't do you much good, try the actual scriptures
an write something informative.

What I know about the scriptures is there are so many people who claim to be expert at them that cherry pick phrases from it to suit their agendas. Even though there are contradictory phrases in there as well.

And I know a fairy tale when I read it (and I have read the new testament).