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Mediocre Man said:
He’s super nice, and completely genuine
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He should have stayed on as coach until we found somebody to take over for him.

I'd be completely happy to bring him back with that understanding. Help us find the next great coach.
 
Phatguysrule said:
He should have stayed on as coach until we found somebody to take over for him. I'd be completely happy to bring him back with that understanding. Help us find the next great coach.
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How does that work? "You are conditionally fired. Find us an excellent replacement, then clean out your desk and Security will escort you out so you don't steal any pencils. Meet those conditions, and you earn the privilege of being fired."
 
jlprk said:
How does that work? "You are conditionally fired. Find us an excellent replacement, then clean out your desk and Security will escort you out so you don't steal any pencils. Meet those conditions, and you earn the privilege of being fired."
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No. He should have kept his job. Never been fired until we had somebody better, or he was ready to retire.

Once we had somebody better we should have promoted him to management.
 
THE HCP said:
Why?
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.582 is better than .515

4 trips to the conference finals vs 1.

2 trips to the finals vs 0.

Kings made the playoffs 1 times in the 18 years since Rick was fired.
 
Phatguysrule said:
No. He should have kept his job. Never been fired until we had somebody better, or he was ready to retire. Once we had somebody better we should have promoted him to management.
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You are the board's biggest advocate for burning the roster down to its embers after a 5-year scorched-earth campaign, then raising it from the dead like Lazarus. Try for a championship; stop being content with years of mediocrity.

But now you say that we shouldn't have made such a sudden coaching change. 9 years of Stotts mediocrity was too short of a time to wait.

You are inconsistent between impatient revolution and patient evolution.
 
I miss Stotts as much as I miss being a playoff team
 
jlprk said:
You are the board's biggest advocate for burning the roster down to its embers after a 5-year scorched-earth campaign, then raising it from the dead like Lazarus. Try for a championship; stop being content with years of mediocrity.

But now you say that we shouldn't have made such a sudden coaching change. 9 years of Stotts mediocrity was too short of a time to wait.

You are inconsistent between impatient revolution and patient evolution.
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We shouldn't have replaced him with somebody worse.

When we replaced him we should have promoted him.

And I think he was an asset. He wasn't holding us back. Once again, Stotts and Dame worked miracles here. We had shit for talent.
 
Phatguysrule said:
We shouldn't have replaced him with somebody worse.

When we replaced him we should have promoted him.

And I think he was an asset. He wasn't holding us back. Once again, Stotts and Dame worked miracles here. We had shit for talent.
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Bingo.

I said back then that it was unlikely we'd be able to identify and acquire someone better. I didn't buy into the theory of change for the sake of change or even worse "anyone would be better."
 
Tince said:
Bingo.

I said back then that it was unlikely we'd be able to identify and acquire someone better. I didn't buy into the theory of change for the sake of change or even worse "anyone would be better."
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Me neither.
 
The mistake wasn't getting rid of 9 years of Stotts mediocrity. The mistake was hiring a guy with 1 year of coaching experience at any level, who had been an exceptionally slow learner as a player. Olshey's talent evaluation was more of the same ol' Olshey.
 
I want a coach that is actually GOOD. Stotts was average. All we've had since Rick Adelman was bad to average coaching.
 
jlprk said:
The mistake wasn't getting rid of 9 years of Stotts mediocrity. The mistake was hiring a guy with 1 year of coaching experience at any level, who had been an exceptionally slow learner as a player. Olshey's talent evaluation was more of the same ol' Olshey.
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The mistake was getting worse. And getting rid of a guy who could have been a great ambassador for the Trail Blazers in Stotts.

Having Stotts in line for management could have allowed us to prevent ever having to take a risk on a young coach who wouldn't pan out. We could have had our cake and eaten too. If we'd done it right.
 
jlprk said:
The mistake wasn't getting rid of 9 years of Stotts mediocrity. The mistake was hiring a guy with 1 year of coaching experience at any level, who had been an exceptionally slow learner as a player. Olshey's talent evaluation was more of the same ol' Olshey.
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the mistake was allowing Olshey to make the decision. He should have been fired in 2016....or 2017....or 2018...etc. Owners should have fired his ass before Stotts was fired and then allowed the new GM to decide who the coach was going to be

I believe that Jody and the Vulcans knew they were going to fire Olshey several months before they did
 
e_blazer said:
Sure, I agree with that. But you can’t say that the talent level that Terry had to work with was anywhere close to what Ramsay had, at least when he racked up most of those playoff wins.
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I never said that and I was also never one of the people calling for Stotts to be fired

I think it would have been justified to fire him after the Blazers were swept by the lower seeded Pelicans in 2018. And, I don't believe Stotts could have made the Blazers the team they were in 1997 or taken them to the title

and even though Stotts didn't have the roster talent that Ramsay and Adelman had, at times, I can look at the quality of coaching and say that Ramsay was better. Adelman...probably; although I think Adelman made the biggest coaching blunder in Blazer history against the Lakers in the 1991 WCF

as far as Stotts being fired when he was....I think two things are true: Olshey was allowed to make Stotts the scapegoat for Olshey's failed rosters. And, it was time to move on from Stotts anyway
 
Everyone is trying to identify "the mistake" when it comes to the Stotts firing and I think identifying that is easy.

Neil Olshey should not have been allowed to fire Terry Stotts. Stotts was much better at his job (even though I think his time was up) than Olshey was at his.

The team should have fired Neil. The team should have done a comprehensive search for Neil's replacement and replaced Neil with someone from outside of the organization with new ideas about how to build a contender around Dame or move on and rebuild post Dame. That new President of basketball ops should have then been able to make a decision about Terry and if needs be (and I think they would) choose Terry's replacement.
 
julius said:
.582 is better than .515

4 trips to the conference finals vs 1.

2 trips to the finals vs 0.

Kings made the playoffs 1 times in the 18 years since Rick was fired.
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You don’t consider the level of talent on a roster a determining factor on how much a coach wins or loses?
 
wizenheimer said:
I never said that and I was also never one of the people calling for Stotts to be fired

I think it would have been justified to fire him after the Blazers were swept by the lower seeded Pelicans in 2018. And, I don't believe Stotts could have made the Blazers the team they were in 1997 or taken them to the title

and even though Stotts didn't have the roster talent that Ramsay and Adelman had, at times, I can look at the quality of coaching and say that Ramsay was better. Adelman...probably; although I think Adelman made the biggest coaching blunder in Blazer history against the Lakers in the 1991 WCF

as far as Stotts being fired when he was....I think two things are true: Olshey was allowed to make Stotts the scapegoat for Olshey's failed rosters. And, it was time to move on from Stotts anyway
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That’s all fair. The last paragraph, 100%.
 
wizenheimer said:
I never said that and I was also never one of the people calling for Stotts to be fired

I think it would have been justified to fire him after the Blazers were swept by the lower seeded Pelicans in 2018. And, I don't believe Stotts could have made the Blazers the team they were in 1997 or taken them to the title

and even though Stotts didn't have the roster talent that Ramsay and Adelman had, at times, I can look at the quality of coaching and say that Ramsay was better. Adelman...probably; although I think Adelman made the biggest coaching blunder in Blazer history against the Lakers in the 1991 WCF

as far as Stotts being fired when he was....I think two things are true: Olshey was allowed to make Stotts the scapegoat for Olshey's failed rosters. And, it was time to move on from Stotts anyway
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blazerkor said:
Everyone is trying to identify "the mistake" when it comes to the Stotts firing and I think identifying that is easy.

Neil Olshey should not have been allowed to fire Terry Stotts. Stotts was much better at his job (even though I think his time was up) than Olshey was at his.

The team should have fired Neil. The team should have done a comprehensive search for Neil's replacement and replaced Neil with someone from outside of the organization with new ideas about how to build a contender around Dame or move on and rebuild post Dame. That new President of basketball ops should have then been able to make a decision about Terry and if needs be (and I think they would) choose Terry's replacement.
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If we had somebody with potential to be better I was okay with moving on from Stotts.

But he is still a great guy. And a credit to the Portland Trail Blazers. We should have looked at keeping him with the team long-term. That's what a quality franchise would have done.

I wish we were a quality franchise...
 
THE HCP said:
You don’t consider the level of talent on a roster a determining factor on how much a coach wins or loses?
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By that logic billups is a hof coach
 
jlprk said:
How does that work? "You are conditionally fired. Find us an excellent replacement, then clean out your desk and Security will escort you out so you don't steal any pencils. Meet those conditions, and you earn the privilege of being fired."
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My thoughts exactly.
 
Tince said:
Bingo.

I said back then that it was unlikely we'd be able to identify and acquire someone better. I didn't buy into the theory of change for the sake of change or even worse "anyone would be better."
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And you said this hundreds of times but the you tube guys had their head set. They knew how to coach and Stotts didn't have a clue.
 
julius said:
.582 is better than .515

4 trips to the conference finals vs 1.

2 trips to the finals vs 0.

Kings made the playoffs 1 times in the 18 years since Rick was fired.
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Look at the rosters though. I think the closest thing Stotts had to those Adelman teams was maybe 13-14? Even then, that team was really young. Now Billups has had a really young team also, but his teams have had zero direction
 
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