Anyone miss Stotts?

[Fairly-Hard]

Yes, Blazers need to upgrade the roster. However, if they don't, it will be difficult to blame Chauncey for another lottery berth.

But we blamed Stotts?
My thinking is it also might be the coach that can bring in talent as well as play the game the talent he has can play. If Chauncey can only coach players that play the way he wants to coach then it's time to get a new coach that can adjust to the players he has. This is exactly why many feel Stotts was a very good coach. He coached the players he had and got the most out of them. As has been pointed out it cost the team lottery picks.....

 

[Tince]

Casuals? Hah.

Just ribbing the folks who were so confident getting rid of him would be a noticable improvement.

I realize some are too dug into their belief to come back!

 

[blazerkor]

I miss his blank stares off into a distance so far away that I can't imagine it and I miss him saying, "Their shots were falling and ours just weren't." or some shit like that.

 

[Predator]

at least Stotts has had teams looking at him

has anybody heard even a whisper any team was looking at Olshey?

Don't miss that guy either.

Haven't heard anything, and wouldn't expect to, considering he was fired after an investigation... Not exactly in the same boat as Stotts, who isn't a piece of shit.

 

[BonesJones]

Just ribbing the folks who were so confident getting rid of him would be a noticable improvement.

I realize some are too dug into their belief to come back!

If we got someone who was an improvement, it'd be an improvement.

Move on.

 

[Tince]

Ah, I miss these discussions, where you attribute players looking good here to Stotts without specific reasons, while I attribute them to Dame (and to a lesser extent, CJ) being able to generate them open looks.

People need to move on.

You don't seem to mind when people attribute players under-performing/utilization to Stotts; is it a one way thing?

This thread is about Stotts and is clearly titled as so. If you have moved on from him, great; it's probably best. If others want to discuss him (I said I don't miss him), then that should also be allowed. I'd guess if I watched a recent show of yours, I'd find an example where you mention someone who hasn't been in the organization for 2 years as well. With a new breed of people putting too much weight of the teams success on Billups, I think it's appropriate for those with an open-minded to see how history works so they don't repeat it.

If I had been banging the "Stotts is an awful coach and is hold back" drum, I would want the topic to never be revisited as well. So I guess in that regard, I get the stance.

 

[Natebishop3]

If Terry Stotts was a good coach, it wouldn't have taken him two years to get a job...... as an assistant.

 

[BonesJones]

You don't seem to mind when people attribute players under-performing/utilization to Stotts; is it a one way thing?

This thread is about Stotts and is clearly titled as so. If you have moved on from him, great; it's probably best. If others want to discuss him (I said I don't miss him), then that should also be allowed. I'd guess if I watched a recent show of yours, I'd find an example where you mention someone who hasn't been in the organization for 2 years as well. With a new breed of people putting too much weight of the teams success on Billups, I think it's appropriate for those with an open-minded to see how history works so they don't repeat it.

If I had been banging the "Stotts is an awful coach and is hold back" drum, I would want the topic to never be revisited as well. So I guess in that regard, I get the stance.

He was an awful X's and O's coach.

 

[Natebishop3]

He was an awful X's and O's coach.

He and Nate McMillan both went to the school of "give the ball to your best player and get out of his way."

Dame should have been getting a commission for Terry's checks.

 

[Tince]

If we got someone who was an improvement, it'd be an improvement.

Move on.

100%... I said that back in the day. I also said I didn't think it was likely the replacement would be a significant improvement and therefore the coaching issue shouldn't be as belabored as it was.

If you're uncomfortable with discussing a topic, then I would suggest not clicking on the thread. You're smart, you opened this thread knowing there would be some people saying Stotts wasn't a bad coach, and now you're contributing to the topic.

I'm going to continue to discuss the topic despite your advice to move on. I'm guessing there a few issues that are behind us that you belabor as well.

 

[BonesJones]

I'd guess if I watched a recent show of yours, I'd find an example where you mention someone who hasn't been in the organization for 2 years as well.

What a silly, off-base assumption.

 

[Tince]

He was an awful X's and O's coach.

That's your opinion. Nothing more.

 

[BonesJones]

100%... I said that back in the day. I also said I didn't think it was likely the replacement would be a significant improvement and therefore the coaching issue shouldn't be as belabored as it was.

If you're uncomfortable with discussing a topic, then I would suggest not clicking on the thread. You're smart, you opened this thread knowing there would be some people saying Stotts wasn't a bad coach, and now you're contributing to the topic.

I'm going to continue to discuss the topic despite your advice to move on. I'm guessing there a few issues that are behind us that you belabor as well.

Stotts had better teams than Billups has had. He had versatile defenders and better benches. Just baffles me that people think we should have a coach tenured here for more than a decade when the only coaches who stick around that long have won championships.

 

[Tince]

What a silly, off-base assumption.

I'd wager with you that I could find something if I pulled one up, but you didn't pay our last bet, so it's probably not worth the time.

 

[Tince]

Stotts had better teams than Billups has had. He had versatile defenders and better benches. Just baffles me that people think we should have a coach tenured here for more than a decade when the only coaches who stick around that long have won championships.

That's your opinion. Many others had far more optimistic opinions of the roster heading into the previous two seasons, and when the result turned out to be significantly worse, modified those stances. I recall one person talking about how much better our offense would be in the playoffs under Billups, with the new roster. I believe that person was you.

 

[Natebishop3]

100%... I said that back in the day. I also said I didn't think it was likely the replacement would be a significant improvement and therefore the coaching issue shouldn't be as belabored as it was.

If you're uncomfortable with discussing a topic, then I would suggest not clicking on the thread. You're smart, you opened this thread knowing there would be some people saying Stotts wasn't a bad coach, and now you're contributing to the topic.

I'm going to continue to discuss the topic despite your advice to move on. I'm guessing there a few issues that are behind us that you belabor as well.

Chauncey Billups has gotten us two amazing draft picks! You show some respect.

 

[Predator]

Not sure what your definition of a good coach is? Pretty sure if a guy has been in and around the league as long as Stotts who also happens to have a championship ring he a good coach. I'm also betting you could ask most any of the players he coached other than maybe Nurk who doesn't seem to like any coach what they felt about him and they would disagree with you.

Sorry, I thought it was obvious I was talking about him as a *head coach*.

And I don't give a flying fuck what the players think about him. The players love Chauncey who seemingly couldn't coach an AAU team. So they can disagree with me until they turned blue in the face. The facts are - the league has voted with who they hire - and they don't think he's a good head coach. If he was so good, he wouldn't be an assistant right now. He'd be the head guy, so the league disagrees with you.

 

[Tince]

Chauncey Billups has gotten us two amazing draft picks! You show some respect.

I gave him credit (or blamed Stotts) for that very thing in this thread!

 

[BonesJones]

I'd wager with you that I could find something if I pulled one up, but you didn't pay our last bet, so it's probably not worth the time.

Every time I ask you for clarity on this "bet" and to message me about it, you ignore me, just so you can bring it up later as a dig.

Lame as fuck.

 

[BonesJones]

That's your opinion. Many others had far more optimistic opinions of the roster heading into the previous two seasons, and when the result turned out to be significantly worse, modified those stances. I recall one person talking about how much better our offense would be in the playoffs under Billups, with the new roster. I believe that person was you.

Yeah, because people underrate players that fit well into specific roles that compliment stars.

Billups wouldve given our offense the opportunity to be better in the playoffs if he could effectively coach live reads, ball & player movement like I thought he'd be able to.

You thought playing iso-ball and spamming pick n rolls against physical defenses in the playoffs was good. Not to mention running drop scheme against Steph Curry too. That's not good.

There's more than one way to struggle as a coach.

 

[tykendo]

I really like Stotts. Appreciate the job he did. But it's too early to make a definitive judgment on Coach Billups. He's developing as well. The tanks were a strategy to add talent from management. There were key injuries leading to that decision as well.

 

[Tince]

Every time I ask you for clarity on this "bet" and to message me about it, you ignore me, just so you can bring it up later as a dig.

Lame as fuck.

You were supposed to sent the pad to HailBlazer. How can I clear that up for you further?

 

[Tince]

I really like Stotts. Appreciate the job he did. But it's too early to make a definitive judgment on Coach Billups. He's developing as well. The tanks were a strategy to add talent from management. There were key injuries leading to that decision as well.

I agree... way too early to write Billups off and give him significant blame for the recent shortcomings.

 

[Tince]

Yeah, because people underrate players that fit well into specific roles that compliment stars.

Billups wouldve given our offense the opportunity to be better in the playoffs if he could effectively coach live reads, ball & player movement like I thought he'd be able to.

You thought playing iso-ball and spamming pick n rolls against physical defenses in the playoffs was good. Not to mention running drop scheme against Steph Curry too. That's not good.

There's more than one way to struggle as a coach.

• I agree there are many ways to struggle as a coach, I never said otherwise.
• I never said I thought playiny iso-ball and spamming pick n rolls against physica defense in the playoffs was good.

You're making up a story about things I never said and mixing in your opinions as if they are fact. I get this was a topic you laid your foundation on and to take a step back and admit you may have been off is too much to ask at this time.

We all get things wrong though, it's nothing to be ashmed of.

 

[AquaXI]

Not saying Stotts was just awesome, the guy couldn't seem to teach Defense if his life depended on it but I think he knew how to run an offense and to the players strengths. At least the games were exciting being it was high scoring.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Forget about Stotts, here's the reality:

If we're not .500 or better at the All-Star break, both JoCro and Coach are getting fired, and deservedly so.

 

[Tince]

Not saying Stotts was just awesome, the guy couldn't seem to teach Defense if his life depended on it but I think he knew how to run an offense and to the players strengths. At least the games were exciting being it was high scoring.

Defense didn't appear to be his strong suit.

Though team defensive rating (in comparison to the rest of the league) was better on average under Stotts than the past two seasons. That has been a bummer for sure.

 

[BonesJones]

You were supposed to sent the pad to HailBlazer. How can I clear that up for you further?

I asked you twice before to message me because I couldn't remember what you did to our "bet" with no response, so you weren't clearing it up at all.

For someone who cares so much to bring this up in every other conversation, you don't seem to care about clearing it up.

 

[Tince]

I asked you twice before to message me because I couldn't remember what you did to our "bet" with no response, so you weren't clearing it up at all.

For someone who cares so much to bring this up in every other conversation, you don't seem to care about clearing it up.

Again... you were to send HailBlazer a mouse pad. I can show you the link where I made that clear and you didn't follow up. If it's not clear now, please ask any follow up questions so I can clear it up for you.

Also, for the sake of accuracy: I don't bring this up in every other conversation, or anywhere close to that. If you need to make stuff to make your point, you're not making a good point.

Most importantly, I'm ribbing you, with ZERO malice, anger, etc.

 

[BassPlaya]

I miss going deeper in the playoffs.

I don't miss...

Lack of defense down the stretch
Overplaying starters to ensure playoff entrance
Underplaying/developing younger players so they could contribute down the stretch instead of having such a tight starting lineup.

In all, he shouldn't be the blame for all of that era's failures

Chauncy needs to get considerable better......this season.