Apple loves privacy!

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Right.

But they can't search it after pulling you over for a busted tail light. Fishing for something bigger to bust you on.

They actually need to get a warrant, which requires probably cause for the thing they want to bust you on.

They'd need a special unlock code or method of getting into your phone anyway from apple, and that would need a warrant.Most officers are too stupid even if directions were provided to open a phone,they'd need to bring it into the station. They just can't magically open my phone and unlock it.


The actual real world applications of this "security" is pretty useless as, like I said, most of the information they could get can be taken from cloud services without getting into the phone. The methodology would be the same as well.

 

[magnifier661]

Who do you use for email?

https://www.hushmail.com

This will actually link into your phone.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And law enforcement can still get and read your email.

https://www.hushmail.com/privacy/

 

[magnifier661]

And law enforcement can still get and read your email.

https://www.hushmail.com/privacy/

Of course they can if they knew it was your account. If that account is only on your phone, then they can't do shit because they won't know it exist. Your IP is never shown on the email.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Of course they can if they knew it was your account. If that account is only on your phone, then they can't do shit because they won't know it exist. Your IP is never shown on the email.

So you check all of your email only through a hushmail app on your phone? You don't download any mail on apples mail program?

Bottom line is this: This recent press release is essentially useless and is damage control due to the recent leaked celebrity scandals. Android phones are just as secure as iphones and if you think differently you're deluding yourself and drinking Tim Cook's Kool Aid.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Google services do use your emails for marketing purposes. Not really scared of that personally. websites have cookies, big whoop. If you go online at all, you're not going to have privacy. Its really as simple as that.

 

[magnifier661]

So you check all of your email only through a hushmail app on your phone? You don't download any mail on apples mail program?

Bottom line is this: This recent press release is essentially useless and is damage control due to the recent leaked celebrity scandals. Android phones are just as secure as iphones and if you think differently you're deluding yourself and drinking Tim Cook's Kool Aid.

I gotta tell you how funny it is being on the other end of the hater salad. Now I know how annoying the Mac lovers were in the 90's and early 2000's. Doesn't matter what Apple does, the haters will downplay all of it. They will also say "I don't mind being a product than a customer"

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I gotta tell you how funny it is being on the other end of the hater salad. Now I know how annoying the Mac lovers were in the 90's and early 2000's. Doesn't matter what Apple does, the haters will downplay all of it. They will also say "I don't mind being a product than a customer"

The difference is, I use apple products. I use an imac, macbook, appleTV and an ipad and I like their products. Hell, i'd probably get an iphone too if I could swap out batteries and send emails with multiple attachments on them.

I just don't drink the Kool Aid and I know what I'm talking about. This press release doesn't mean anything at all and is just smoke and mirrors.

 

[Denny Crane]

The cops cannot take your phone to a lab and decrypt it without you giving up the code.

This is a big change from them being able to make a call to Apple and threaten them with a $250,000 fine if they don't provide back door access.

If the cops take away my phone, it'll be a brick. I won't give them the pass code.

 

[magnifier661]

LOL, it looks like your information is actually protected on the cloud anyway... Debate is over.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

This explains that everything is encrypted on the phone and the server.

http://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests/

Also, here is the explanation that apple is working hard to be as "transparent" as possible, even fighting for the court orders.

 

[Denny Crane]

If I guess your password, I can get at your unencrypted data all those places.

That's how the celebrities' selfies got out.

Nobody hacked the actual servers, just guessed the passwords.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The cops cannot take your phone to a lab and decrypt it without you giving up the code.

This is a big change from them being able to make a call to Apple and threaten them with a $250,000 fine if they don't provide back door access.

If the cops take away my phone, it'll be a brick. I won't give them the pass code.

Is that much different than an Android?

 

[magnifier661]

http://images.apple.com/privacy/docs/amicus-brief-support.pdf

Here is their actual argument for apple to keep their information secure, even if the government is requesting it.

And here are the tools to manage your privacy

http://www.apple.com/privacy/manage-your-privacy/

 

[magnifier661]

Is that much different than an Android?

Yes. Google has worked with government and third party partners to give all information of your activity and digital possessions.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yes. Google has worked with government and third party partners to give all information of your activity and digital possessions.

And apple will do the same, if court ordered. They cannot access your physical device, as noted by Denny. They can get into your icloud.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

If I guess your password, I can get at your unencrypted data all those places.

That's how the celebrities' selfies got out.

Nobody hacked the actual servers, just guessed the passwords.

And the point is that they did not need to physically access the phone in any way, which was the primary reason of this press release discussed in this thread.

 

[Denny Crane]

And apple will do the same, if court ordered. They cannot access your physical device, as noted by Denny. They can get into your icloud.

How easy is it to decrypt AES 256 encryption?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How easy is it to decrypt AES 256 encryption?

They don't need to decrypt anything if they are provided with a court order, Apple will just open up the data.

 

[magnifier661]

And apple will do the same, if court ordered. They cannot access your physical device, as noted by Denny. They can get into your icloud.

Show me where they say they can get into your cloud? The link shows that even when they give access, all information in the cloud is encrypted. They can only access your files on trusted computers that you assign.

So as I tell them to "eat a dick" apple can, by the warrant give them access to the cloud, but will see only encrypted information. Good luck sorting that out.

 

[magnifier661]

They don't need to decrypt anything if they are provided with a court order, Apple will just open up the data.

I think that's what you are missing... Apple said everything is encrypted. That's why the article I posted said "Even if they have access, we cannot obtain the information"

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Show me where they say they can get into your cloud? The link shows that even when they give access, all information in the cloud is encrypted. They can only access your files on trusted computers that you assign.

So as I tell them to "eat a dick" apple can, by the warrant give them access to the cloud, but will see only encrypted information. Good luck sorting that out.

Encrypted means it cannot be hacked. Government requests aren't asking Apple to hack into the data, they are asking to get access to it.

Account Requests
Responding to an Account Request most often involves providing information about a customer’s iTunes or iCloud account. Only a small fraction of requests from law enforcement seek content such as email, photos, and other content stored on customers’ iCloud or iTunes accounts.

less than 0.00385% of customers had data disclosed due to government information requests.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think that's what you are missing... Apple said everything is encrypted. That's why the article I posted said "Even if they have access, we cannot obtain the information"

LISTEN. ITS ON YOUR FUCKING PHONE. EVERYTHING IS ENCRYPTED ON YOUR PHONE MEANING THEY CANNOT ACCESS SHIT ON YOUR PHYSICAL DEVICE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ACCESS ANYTHING IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PASSCODE. THIS "WE CANNOT OBTAIN THE INFORMATION" DOES NOT APPLY TO ANYTHING OUTSIDE WHAT IS PHYSICALLY STORED ON YOUR IOS DEVICE.

I don't know how many times I need to tell you this until it registers.

 

[Denny Crane]

They don't need to decrypt anything if they are provided with a court order, Apple will just open up the data.

The data is encrypted on the phone and stored encrypted. Apple needs your passcode to decrypt it. That passcode is not being sent over the wire so apple can't know it.

I'm not saying apple's approach is better than anyone else. But what they are doing is the right and best way.

 

[magnifier661]

LISTEN. ITS ON YOUR FUCKING PHONE. EVERYTHING IS ENCRYPTED ON YOUR PHONE MEANING THEY CANNOT ACCESS SHIT ON YOUR PHYSICAL DEVICE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ACCESS ANYTHING IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PASSCODE. THIS "WE CANNOT OBTAIN THE INFORMATION" DOES NOT APPLY TO ANYTHING OUTSIDE WHAT IS PHYSICALLY STORED ON YOUR IOS DEVICE.

I don't know how many times I need to tell you this until it registers.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865

No its encrypted on your phone and cloud. Look again

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The data is encrypted on the phone and stored encrypted. Apple needs your passcode to decrypt it. That passcode is not being sent over the wire so apple can't know it.

I'm not saying apple's approach is better than anyone else. But what they are doing is the right and best way.

Again, I was referring to icloud data, not the iphone, which I acknowledge their claim that it can't be defeated via a backdoor.

 

[Denny Crane]

Again, I was referring to icloud data, not the iphone, which I acknowledge their claim that it can't be defeated via a backdoor.

The data is encrypted on the phone and then sent to iCloud. Apple can hand over the encrypted files. Breaking the encryption? Good luck with that.

 

[magnifier661]

Again, I was referring to icloud data, not the iphone, which I acknowledge their claim that it can't be defeated via a backdoor.

Yes if the data isn't encrypted in cloud as well. Fortunately, you need the password to get into the cloud to view things outside of encryption. And apple has stated that they don't have your password.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865

No its encrypted on your phone and cloud. Look again

Show me where "We cannot obtain the information" applies to items store in iCloud and not on your phone. Everything is encrypted everywhere. Listen: If served with a government request for information, chances are, apple will provide any data they need that is stored in the icloud. On the phone itself, they won't be able to because the passcode lock doesn't have a current workaround.

 

[andalusian]

But whatever the case, it's more secure than google by far. I'm also very grateful that I'm a customer, not a product as Cook explained.

I would not go there ever. Google's security credentials are superb - there has never been any kind of a breach the kind Apple had with Google.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The data is encrypted on the phone and then sent to iCloud. Apple can hand over the encrypted files. Breaking the encryption? Good luck with that.

They'll just open the account. They even state in that link they comply with supplying data.