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The nearly complete fossil of a 4.4-million-year-old human ancestor, a female dubbed "Ardi," is rewriting the story of human origins, paleontologists reported Thursday
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The analysis of Ardipithecus ramidus (it means "root of the ground ape"), reported in the journal Science, changes the notion that humans and chimps, our closest genetic cousins, both trace their lineage to a creature that was more like today's chimp. Rather, the research suggests that their common ancestor was a walking forest forager more cooperative in nature than the competitive, aggressive chimp and that chimps were an evolutionary offshoot of this creature.
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"With Ardipithecus, we have to bear in mind this was a species that lived 4.4 million years ago, and a lot has happened since then in human evolution, when it comes to behavior," White says.

Still, he says, the finds point to humans originating from a primitive ape, one that moved to broken woodlands, rather than the jungle today ruled by chimps and gorillas, and then evolved to a walking hominid that favored open terrain, eventually spreading throughout Africa and today, worldwide.
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Yet more proof, like we need anymore, that the earth is more than 10,000 years old as the bible states.​
 
Great, your "more proof" wins.

Now how did that 4.4M number come about? :)
 
In all seriousness, I'm interested in stories like this. Here's one thought that probably won't be popular...

The analysis of Ardipithecus ramidus (it means "root of the ground ape"), reported in the journal Science, changes the notion that humans and chimps, our closest genetic cousins, both trace their lineage to a creature that was more like today's chimp.
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I wouldn't be far off, would I, if I assumed that about 2 days before this article came out, science would be "almost unanimous" in their belief that we evolved from chimps, right? I mean, that was what was in my college biology book. And now with the Ardi find it's turned upside-down, with chimps being an offshoot not in line with the evolution from ardi to human.

Fun stuff, though.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Great, your "more proof" wins.

Now how did that 4.4M number come about? :)
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As I understand it, the fossils were found between two volcanic rock layers that both dated to 4.4M years ago.

But yes, perhaps God stuck that fossil in between those rocks. :)
Kind of makes me think God was hiding something. Is God a serial killer?

barfo
 
BrianFromWA said:
I wouldn't be far off, would I, if I assumed that about 2 days before this article came out, science would be "almost unanimous" in their belief that we evolved from chimps, right? I mean, that was what was in my college biology book. And now with the Ardi find it's turned upside-down, with chimps being an offshoot not in line with the evolution from ardi to human.
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You wouldn't be far off at all. But, now that we have new evidence, we can revise our theories. That's the thing about science - it doesn't actually matter what was written in some biology textbook 2000 years ago. If it turns out to be wrong, we throw it away and move on, instead of inventing ever-more-fanciful reasons to keep reading the same old textbook.

barfo
 
Please... everyone knows that we are descendants of an experiment by aliens.
 
BrianFromWA said:
In all seriousness, I'm interested in stories like this. Here's one thought that probably won't be popular...



I wouldn't be far off, would I, if I assumed that about 2 days before this article came out, science would be "almost unanimous" in their belief that we evolved from chimps, right? I mean, that was what was in my college biology book. And now with the Ardi find it's turned upside-down, with chimps being an offshoot not in line with the evolution from ardi to human.
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no college biology book would ever say "we evolved from chimps". that's a creationist straw man.

science has always said humans and chimps branched and evolved separately from a common ape-like ancestor. the exact point where the branch occurred and the nature of our most recent common ancestor has always been an open question, waiting to be resolved by future evidence such as this.
 
BrianFromWA said:
In all seriousness, I'm interested in stories like this. Here's one thought that probably won't be popular...



I wouldn't be far off, would I, if I assumed that about 2 days before this article came out, science would be "almost unanimous" in their belief that we evolved from chimps, right? I mean, that was what was in my college biology book. And now with the Ardi find it's turned upside-down, with chimps being an offshoot not in line with the evolution from ardi to human.

Fun stuff, though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0F4FBLJRE

Note this vid was made before this recent find.
 
sorry...in my tongue-in-cheek mode I oversimplified. Instead of saying "we evolved from chimps", I should've used what the OP quote had...that we evolved from "chimp-like creatures". I retract and resubmit.

Now, as far as biology books saying we evolved from chimp-like creatures? I'll give you a chance to tell me if that's a creationist straw man.
 
BrianFromWA said:
sorry...in my tongue-in-cheek mode I oversimplified. Instead of saying "we evolved from chimps", I should've used what the OP quote had...that we evolved from "chimp-like creatures". I retract and resubmit.

Now, as far as biology books saying we evolved from chimp-like creatures? I'll give you a chance to tell me if that's a creationist straw man.
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This science stuff is above my pay grade.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Now, as far as biology books saying we evolved from chimp-like creatures? I'll give you a chance to tell me if that's a creationist straw man.
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Why is that incorrect? Any creature we evolved from is probably more chimp-like than anything else (other than human-like) that still exists.

I don't think that the recent find alters that. How LIKE a chimp our shared ancestors were is of course perhaps shifted.

Ed O.
 
You may call it "4.4-million-year-old human ancestor"

BlazerWookee calls her MILF.
 
barfo said:
But yes, perhaps God stuck that fossil in between those rocks. :)
Kind of makes me think God was hiding something. Is God a serial killer?

barfo
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Hmmm...I'm just wondering if you're penning this from the 92nd or 93rd floor of the Babel Tower? ;)
 
ABM said:
Hmmm...I'm just wondering if you're penning this from the 92nd or 93rd floor of the Babel Tower? ;)
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Are you suggesting I'm about to become multi-lingual?

barfo
 
BrianFromWA said:
I wouldn't be far off, would I, if I assumed that about 2 days before this article came out, science would be "almost unanimous" in their belief that we evolved from chimps, right? I mean, that was what was in my college biology book. Fun stuff, though.
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You would be 100% wrong, totally far off, if you assumed that 2 days or so ago science was "amost unanimous" in believing that humans evolved from chimps. If that was in your college biology book, I'd like to hear what college you went to and how on earth their biology department got accredited, if it is.

What was, and is, believed, is that humans and the two species of chimps had a recent (recent in evolutionary terms) common ancestor. This discovery just adds more details.
 
barfo said:
Are you suggesting I'm about to become multi-lingual?

barfo
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Actually, quite the opposite. By the 134th floor, you effectively won't understand a single word anyone else has uttered.
 
ABM said:
Actually, quite the opposite. By the 134th floor, you effectively won't understand a single word anyone else has uttered.
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Apparently it is already starting to happen, then.

barfo
 
crandc said:
You would be 100% wrong, totally far off, if you assumed that 2 days or so ago science was "amost unanimous" in believing that humans evolved from chimps. If that was in your college biology book, I'd like to hear what college you went to and how on earth their biology department got accredited, if it is.

What was, and is, believed, is that humans and the two species of chimps had a recent (recent in evolutionary terms) common ancestor. This discovery just adds more details.
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Read my followup post (#10), and I'll ask the same question.

Campbell, Biology, 3rd edition, 1993, p.660-61
 
BrianFromWA said:
Read my followup post (#10), and I'll ask the same question.

Campbell, Biology, 3rd edition, 1993, p.660-61
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Did you read my response?

How else would you explain the shared ancestor in a single (albeit hyphenated) word other than "chimp-like"?

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Did you read my response?

How else would you explain the shared ancestor in a single (albeit hyphenated) word other than "chimp-like"?

Ed O.
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chimpish.

barfo
 
BrianFromWA said:
Read my followup post (#10), and I'll ask the same question.

Campbell, Biology, 3rd edition, 1993, p.660-61
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Well there you go. 1993 man..... that shit is oooooold. Mike hadn't even retired the first time in 1993.
 
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