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Why would anyone be interested in garbage?
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Actually our package for trade should be more like: KVH+Stro+Sean+Marcus. (2 prospects, and nice salary cut in one package. - Actually this is about 8 mill salary, but we can take back 15 mill+ because of KVH)
We should be going after a starting SF, who expires in 2010, and we can resign him, if Lebron doesn't come. Maybe McGrady or Melo.
(yes, i know first round picks need to be included, if we go for such quality)
Then resign Krstic for something like the Dooling deal, just a bit bigger amount (3rd year partial guarantee).
I'd love to have a roster like this:
Harris/Dooling/vet min (I'd love Arroyo - fits the marketing plan
)
VC/CDR/Ager
Melo/Simmons/Hayes
Yi/Najera/Anderson
Krstic/Lopez/Boone
And if Lebron doesn't come in 2010, just keep Melo...
I think we need a good 3rd string pointguard, since Dooling could easily be too busy backing up VC, if CDR and Ager don't prove to be legit backup SGs yet next year.
We should be going after a starting SF, who expires in 2010, and we can resign him, if Lebron doesn't come. Maybe McGrady or Melo.
(yes, i know first round picks need to be included, if we go for such quality)
Then resign Krstic for something like the Dooling deal, just a bit bigger amount (3rd year partial guarantee).
I'd love to have a roster like this:
Harris/Dooling/vet min (I'd love Arroyo - fits the marketing plan
VC/CDR/Ager
Melo/Simmons/Hayes
Yi/Najera/Anderson
Krstic/Lopez/Boone
And if Lebron doesn't come in 2010, just keep Melo...
I think we need a good 3rd string pointguard, since Dooling could easily be too busy backing up VC, if CDR and Ager don't prove to be legit backup SGs yet next year.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 19 2008, 06:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually our package for trade should be more like: KVH+Stro+Sean+Marcus. (2 prospects, and nice salary cut in one package. - Actually this is about 8 mill salary, but we can take back 15 mill+ because of KVH)
We should be going after a starting SF, who expires in 2010, and we can resign him, if Lebron doesn't come. Maybe McGrady or Melo. (yes, i know first round picks need to be included, if we go for such quality)
Then resign Krstic for something like the Dooling deal, just a bit bigger amount (3rd year partial guarantee).
I'd love to have a roster like this:
Harris/Dooling/vet min (I'd love Arroyo - fits the marketing plan
)
VC/CDR/Ager
Melo/Simmons/Hayes
Yi/Najera/Anderson
Krstic/Lopez/Boone
And if Lebron doesn't come in 2010, just keep Melo...
I think we need a good 3rd string pointguard, since Dooling could easily be too busy backing up VC, if CDR and Ager don't prove to be legit backup SGs yet next year.</div>
I dont get this.
We have Bobby Simmons, Hayes, Najera, dont forget Anderson, Yi, and CDR may be playing that position too.
Why should we go after another SF?
We should be going after a starting SF, who expires in 2010, and we can resign him, if Lebron doesn't come. Maybe McGrady or Melo. (yes, i know first round picks need to be included, if we go for such quality)
Then resign Krstic for something like the Dooling deal, just a bit bigger amount (3rd year partial guarantee).
I'd love to have a roster like this:
Harris/Dooling/vet min (I'd love Arroyo - fits the marketing plan
VC/CDR/Ager
Melo/Simmons/Hayes
Yi/Najera/Anderson
Krstic/Lopez/Boone
And if Lebron doesn't come in 2010, just keep Melo...
I think we need a good 3rd string pointguard, since Dooling could easily be too busy backing up VC, if CDR and Ager don't prove to be legit backup SGs yet next year.</div>
I dont get this.
We have Bobby Simmons, Hayes, Najera, dont forget Anderson, Yi, and CDR may be playing that position too.
Why should we go after another SF?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 19 2008, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I posted my wish-depth chart... what is your question?
Do you think any of those guys you mentioned is capable of playing an NBA season as a starting SF?
I don't think so..</div>
It doesn't look there will be any fire sales for a star level SF any time soon.
Also, the trade you're proposing is pointless. There is no point in giving up some of our assets to get a player who we need to expire in 2010. All that does is potentially makes a marginally better team for 2 years, and then makes it less attractive for LBJ or Wade to come to Brooklyn.
The plan, as our FO is pursuing it, is to get talented, marketable young players, surround them with hard nosed veterans, and hope they can mature into a good young team by 2010. I would be shocked if they traded away Sean or Brook. Unless it's for a superstar, it's an idiotic move.
Do you think any of those guys you mentioned is capable of playing an NBA season as a starting SF?
I don't think so..</div>
It doesn't look there will be any fire sales for a star level SF any time soon.
Also, the trade you're proposing is pointless. There is no point in giving up some of our assets to get a player who we need to expire in 2010. All that does is potentially makes a marginally better team for 2 years, and then makes it less attractive for LBJ or Wade to come to Brooklyn.
The plan, as our FO is pursuing it, is to get talented, marketable young players, surround them with hard nosed veterans, and hope they can mature into a good young team by 2010. I would be shocked if they traded away Sean or Brook. Unless it's for a superstar, it's an idiotic move.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jul 19 2008, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It doesn't look there will be any fire sales for a star level SF any time soon.
Also, the trade you're proposing is pointless. There is no point in giving up some of our assets to get a player who we need to expire in 2010. All that does is potentially makes a marginally better team for 2 years, and then makes it less attractive for LBJ or Wade to come to Brooklyn.
The plan, as our FO is pursuing it, is to get talented, marketable young players, surround them with hard nosed veterans, and hope they can mature into a good young team by 2010. I would be shocked if they traded away Sean or Brook. Unless it's for a superstar, it's an idiotic move.</div>
I think there is a pretty good chance Melo could be had for that package. They are cost cutting now. the way they gave up Camby was an indication.
We really don't have much space on our roster for Marcus, and either for one of Sean and Boone. Either for Stro and KVH, but you prababy agree with that.
Probably Sean is the only one, who you don't like giving up in this trade. But I think it's worth it to make us a way better team for the next two years.
The roster i posted above is easily a playoff team in the next two years IMO. Not just marginally better...
Is LeBron and Wade so much better than Melo? Maybe yes.
But if we let Melo expire (along with Simmons, Hassell and Dooling), we can still go after those guys.
if we can not get either of the big names, we can still resign Melo in 2010, and keep this core together.
Also, the trade you're proposing is pointless. There is no point in giving up some of our assets to get a player who we need to expire in 2010. All that does is potentially makes a marginally better team for 2 years, and then makes it less attractive for LBJ or Wade to come to Brooklyn.
The plan, as our FO is pursuing it, is to get talented, marketable young players, surround them with hard nosed veterans, and hope they can mature into a good young team by 2010. I would be shocked if they traded away Sean or Brook. Unless it's for a superstar, it's an idiotic move.</div>
I think there is a pretty good chance Melo could be had for that package. They are cost cutting now. the way they gave up Camby was an indication.
We really don't have much space on our roster for Marcus, and either for one of Sean and Boone. Either for Stro and KVH, but you prababy agree with that.
Probably Sean is the only one, who you don't like giving up in this trade. But I think it's worth it to make us a way better team for the next two years.
The roster i posted above is easily a playoff team in the next two years IMO. Not just marginally better...
Is LeBron and Wade so much better than Melo? Maybe yes.
But if we let Melo expire (along with Simmons, Hassell and Dooling), we can still go after those guys.
if we can not get either of the big names, we can still resign Melo in 2010, and keep this core together.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 19 2008, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jul 19 2008, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It doesn't look there will be any fire sales for a star level SF any time soon.
Also, the trade you're proposing is pointless. There is no point in giving up some of our assets to get a player who we need to expire in 2010. All that does is potentially makes a marginally better team for 2 years, and then makes it less attractive for LBJ or Wade to come to Brooklyn.
The plan, as our FO is pursuing it, is to get talented, marketable young players, surround them with hard nosed veterans, and hope they can mature into a good young team by 2010. I would be shocked if they traded away Sean or Brook. Unless it's for a superstar, it's an idiotic move.</div>
I think there is a pretty good chance Melo could be had for that package. They are cost cutting now. the way they gave up Camby was an indication.
We really don't have much space for Marcus and Sean (or Boone) on our roster. Either for Stro and KVH, but you prababy agree with that.
Probably Sean is the only one, who you don't like giving up in this trade. But I think it's worth it to make us a way better team for the next two years
Is LeBron and Wade so much better than Melo? Maybe yes.
But if we let Melo expire (along with Simmons, Hassell and Dooling), we can still go after those guys.
if we can not get either of the big names, we can still resign Melo in 2010, and keep this core together.
</div>I'm pretty sure they offered that package to Nuggets about a billion times already. Anyone would have. They probably even offered Krstic/RJ/Sean and 2 1st rounders already and Nugs still said no.
Camby is 35. It's not just cost cutting. Carmelo is still too young to give up on. Iverson is popular, plus he's an expiring contract. Since there are basically no teams under the cap any more, it makes no sense for them to give away Iverson. They'll just let him expire then tell him "look, either sign a 3 year, $40M contract or we're not having you".
What I don't like about your idea is that we give up anything of "value", mostly because the "value" we get back (aka the player) will be let go during the 2010 off season. Which basically reduces the value of the franchise in time for 2010.
I agree with you, all bets are off if NJ can get a good young, or in his prime, player for those contracts + a little youth. I just don't see anyoe trading a star level player for our garbage. It has happened in the past, but I just don't see it this season.
Also, the trade you're proposing is pointless. There is no point in giving up some of our assets to get a player who we need to expire in 2010. All that does is potentially makes a marginally better team for 2 years, and then makes it less attractive for LBJ or Wade to come to Brooklyn.
The plan, as our FO is pursuing it, is to get talented, marketable young players, surround them with hard nosed veterans, and hope they can mature into a good young team by 2010. I would be shocked if they traded away Sean or Brook. Unless it's for a superstar, it's an idiotic move.</div>
I think there is a pretty good chance Melo could be had for that package. They are cost cutting now. the way they gave up Camby was an indication.
We really don't have much space for Marcus and Sean (or Boone) on our roster. Either for Stro and KVH, but you prababy agree with that.
Probably Sean is the only one, who you don't like giving up in this trade. But I think it's worth it to make us a way better team for the next two years
Is LeBron and Wade so much better than Melo? Maybe yes.
But if we let Melo expire (along with Simmons, Hassell and Dooling), we can still go after those guys.
if we can not get either of the big names, we can still resign Melo in 2010, and keep this core together.
</div>I'm pretty sure they offered that package to Nuggets about a billion times already. Anyone would have. They probably even offered Krstic/RJ/Sean and 2 1st rounders already and Nugs still said no.
Camby is 35. It's not just cost cutting. Carmelo is still too young to give up on. Iverson is popular, plus he's an expiring contract. Since there are basically no teams under the cap any more, it makes no sense for them to give away Iverson. They'll just let him expire then tell him "look, either sign a 3 year, $40M contract or we're not having you".
What I don't like about your idea is that we give up anything of "value", mostly because the "value" we get back (aka the player) will be let go during the 2010 off season. Which basically reduces the value of the franchise in time for 2010.
I agree with you, all bets are off if NJ can get a good young, or in his prime, player for those contracts + a little youth. I just don't see anyoe trading a star level player for our garbage. It has happened in the past, but I just don't see it this season.
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Actually this kind of garbage:
-Stro + KVH = Expirer + non guaranteed salary, which is even better than a pure expirer. and their contracts add up to more than 10 mill, and can get back more than 13 mill.
-plus our youth: MArcus + Sean maybe even Boone
has great value.
Mainly if we add a first round pick too.
I think lesser packages got Gasol, Garnett, Iverson, and some other superstars in the not too distant past.
-Stro + KVH = Expirer + non guaranteed salary, which is even better than a pure expirer. and their contracts add up to more than 10 mill, and can get back more than 13 mill.
-plus our youth: MArcus + Sean maybe even Boone
has great value.
Mainly if we add a first round pick too.
I think lesser packages got Gasol, Garnett, Iverson, and some other superstars in the not too distant past.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 19 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually this kind of garbage:
-Stro + KVH = Expirer + non guaranteed salary, which is even better than a pure expirer. and their contracts add up to more than 10 mill, and can get back more than 13 mill.
-plus our youth: MArcus + Sean maybe even Boone
has great value.
Mainly if we add a first round pick too.
I think lesser packages got Gasol, Garnett, Iverson, and some other superstars in the not too distant past.</div>
Right, but currently looking at the market I don't see any big name being on the trading block. Mostly because about 80% of big names have been traded or resigned within the last 1-1.5 years, heh.
Our only realistic possibilities right now are McGrady, Marion and Turkoglu.
-Stro + KVH = Expirer + non guaranteed salary, which is even better than a pure expirer. and their contracts add up to more than 10 mill, and can get back more than 13 mill.
-plus our youth: MArcus + Sean maybe even Boone
has great value.
Mainly if we add a first round pick too.
I think lesser packages got Gasol, Garnett, Iverson, and some other superstars in the not too distant past.</div>
Right, but currently looking at the market I don't see any big name being on the trading block. Mostly because about 80% of big names have been traded or resigned within the last 1-1.5 years, heh.
Our only realistic possibilities right now are McGrady, Marion and Turkoglu.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jul 19 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Right, but currently looking at the market I don't see any big name being on the trading block. Mostly because about 80% of big names have been traded or resigned within the last 1-1.5 years, heh.
Our only realistic possibilities right now are McGrady, Marion and Turkoglu.</div>
Turkoglu is not good enough for me. Marion expires one year too early. McGrady, i'd love to take him for the abovementioned package. Houston is probably not gonna give him up for prospects and cap space. They would need another superstar in return, since they are not rebuilding.
Melo would be nice. They say he is not on the block, but the rumors must mean something. At least i have hopes. And Kiki does have some Denver connection
Our only realistic possibilities right now are McGrady, Marion and Turkoglu.</div>
Turkoglu is not good enough for me. Marion expires one year too early. McGrady, i'd love to take him for the abovementioned package. Houston is probably not gonna give him up for prospects and cap space. They would need another superstar in return, since they are not rebuilding.
Melo would be nice. They say he is not on the block, but the rumors must mean something. At least i have hopes. And Kiki does have some Denver connection
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instead of going for a starting SF... we need a starting PF. I don't trust Yi coming in and starting with lopez... our bigs are unproven yet... so we should definitely bring a veteran in. Someone like chris wilcox comes to mind or maybe also kenny thomas. If nocioni can start at PF i wouldn't mind that either. our biggest mystery right now is how our bigs will perform and we have too many people that need playing time to actually prove themselves. If we don't sign a veteran, i think our frontcourt could be a disaster as to how long frank will take to figure things out.
We have enough SF's and given that we're going to be targetting lebron, i wouldn't want another SF.
We have enough SF's and given that we're going to be targetting lebron, i wouldn't want another SF.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ Jul 19 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>instead of going for a starting SF... we need a starting PF. I don't trust Yi coming in and starting with lopez... our bigs are unproven yet... so we should definitely bring a veteran in. Someone like chris wilcox comes to mind or maybe also kenny thomas. If nocioni can start at PF i wouldn't mind that either. our biggest mystery right now is how our bigs will perform and we have too many people that need playing time to actually prove themselves. If we don't sign a veteran, i think our frontcourt could be a disaster as to how long frank will take to figure things out.
We have enough SF's and given that we're going to be targetting lebron, i wouldn't want another SF.</div>
Hold on. We have several young big men with lots of upside, plus a good stable big man in Boone right now. You want to package one of our expiring contracts plus a young player for Wilcox? Why would you possibly do that? Wilcox expires after this season, and we're NOT resigning him.
Kenny Thomas? Are you kidding? Doesn't the fact that the Kings DREAM of getting rid of him tell you something?
Nocioni, really? He's a small forward, and a perimeter oriented one at that. We just got rid of one in RJ, who was much better.
The biggest mystery right now is not how our bigs will perform, but who will get the chance to perform, because minutes are hard to come by. Bringing in an average veteran player makes absolutely no sense. We're not a championship caliber team right now, and Kenny Thomas, Nocioni or Wilcox do not make us one either.
What is the point of this trade? To hamper our kids' development and make sure we suck in 2010?
We have enough SF's and given that we're going to be targetting lebron, i wouldn't want another SF.</div>
Hold on. We have several young big men with lots of upside, plus a good stable big man in Boone right now. You want to package one of our expiring contracts plus a young player for Wilcox? Why would you possibly do that? Wilcox expires after this season, and we're NOT resigning him.
Kenny Thomas? Are you kidding? Doesn't the fact that the Kings DREAM of getting rid of him tell you something?
Nocioni, really? He's a small forward, and a perimeter oriented one at that. We just got rid of one in RJ, who was much better.
The biggest mystery right now is not how our bigs will perform, but who will get the chance to perform, because minutes are hard to come by. Bringing in an average veteran player makes absolutely no sense. We're not a championship caliber team right now, and Kenny Thomas, Nocioni or Wilcox do not make us one either.
What is the point of this trade? To hamper our kids' development and make sure we suck in 2010?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 19 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jul 19 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Right, but currently looking at the market I don't see any big name being on the trading block. Mostly because about 80% of big names have been traded or resigned within the last 1-1.5 years, heh.
Our only realistic possibilities right now are McGrady, Marion and Turkoglu.</div>
Turkoglu is not good enough for me. Marion expires one year too early. McGrady, i'd love to take him for the abovementioned package. Houston is probably not gonna give him up for prospects and cap space. They would need another superstar in return, since they are not rebuilding.
Melo would be nice. They say he is not on the block, but the rumors must mean something. At least i have hopes. And Kiki does have some Denver connection
</div>
The rumors mean that Kiki is trying to **** with Melo and Denver.
Melo is not on the block and when Dumars asked for Melo he was told no.
Just because the Nuggets shipped out Camby's overrated ass for some tax savings doesn't mean the Nuggets are in full cost cutting mode. They are not going to give away Melo for garbage or even for other good players.
Our only realistic possibilities right now are McGrady, Marion and Turkoglu.</div>
Turkoglu is not good enough for me. Marion expires one year too early. McGrady, i'd love to take him for the abovementioned package. Houston is probably not gonna give him up for prospects and cap space. They would need another superstar in return, since they are not rebuilding.
Melo would be nice. They say he is not on the block, but the rumors must mean something. At least i have hopes. And Kiki does have some Denver connection
</div>
The rumors mean that Kiki is trying to **** with Melo and Denver.
Melo is not on the block and when Dumars asked for Melo he was told no.
Just because the Nuggets shipped out Camby's overrated ass for some tax savings doesn't mean the Nuggets are in full cost cutting mode. They are not going to give away Melo for garbage or even for other good players.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rimsh @ Jul 19 2008, 07:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>in a package deal of Ager, and M.Williams.
There must be some crap team out there that needs a PG and a backup SG</div>
The Nets are a crap team that needs a backup PG and a backup SG
There must be some crap team out there that needs a PG and a backup SG</div>
The Nets are a crap team that needs a backup PG and a backup SG
