Science Are the Covid Vaccines the Biggest Pharma Corporate Welfare Bailout in History?

[RoseCityRebel]

I’ve worked in Pharma. There are no blockbuster drugs left, just additions to existing drugs for “new” medicine like adding Tylenol to migraine medicines.

I’ve never seen literally hundreds of billions of taxpayer money support Big Pharma like this Covid vaccine madness and the government is advertising these costly taxpayer-funded jabs for the Pharma companies.

This is corporate welfare for Big Pharma at an unprecedented level and the odd thing is Democrats are more supportive of the corporate welfare than are Republicans.

 

[barfo]

I’ve worked in Pharma. There are no blockbuster drugs left, just additions to existing drugs for “new” medicine like adding Tylenol to migraine medicines.

I'm guessing you weren't head of R&D for any of the major pharma companies, then.

I’ve never seen literally hundreds of billions of taxpayer money support Big Pharma like this Covid vaccine madness and the government is advertising these costly taxpayer-funded jabs for the Pharma companies.

This is corporate welfare for Big Pharma at an unprecedented level and the odd thing is Democrats are more supportive of the corporate welfare than are Republicans.

It's almost as if the Democrats think that government has a vested interest in the health of the people.

barfo

 

[RoseCityRebel]

I'm guessing you weren't head of R&D for any of the major pharma companies, then.



It's almost as if the Democrats think that government has a vested interest in the health of the people.

barfo

Yes, and keeping Big Pharma solvent too. If the government was really interested in keeping people healthy, Cuomo wouldn’t have sent infected people into nursing homes and $5 HCQ/Zinc that lupus sufferers have taken for 65 years wouldn’t have been called an unsafe prophylactic medicine.

lol

Democrats are now the party of corporate welfare, along with the remaining GOP corporatists in government.

 

[barfo]

Yes, and keeping Big Pharma solvent too. If the government was really interested in keeping people healthy, Cuomo wouldn’t have sent infected people into nursing homes and $5 HCQ/Zinc wouldn’t have been called an unsafe prophylactic medicine.

lol

lol indeed.

barfo

 

[crandc]

Anyone who endorses hydroxychoroquine makes me wonder, just what did you do in your pharma job?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I’ve worked in Pharma. There are no blockbuster drugs left, just additions to existing drugs for “new” medicine like adding Tylenol to migraine medicines.

I’ve never seen literally hundreds of billions of taxpayer money support Big Pharma like this Covid vaccine madness and the government is advertising these costly taxpayer-funded jabs for the Pharma companies.

This is corporate welfare for Big Pharma at an unprecedented level and the odd thing is Democrats are more supportive of the corporate welfare than are Republicans.

So the Chinese faked covid so Trump would give taxpayer money to pharmaceutical companies because they can't invent anymore drugs?

YES! FINALLY SOMEONE HAS BEEN READING MY NEWSLETTER!

 

[jonnyboy]

Anyone who endorses hydroxychoroquine makes me wonder, just what did you do in your pharma job?

Such a bullshit take. HCQ has been used for years for a variety of applications. Trump mentioned it one time and all of the sudden it’s kryptonite to liberals. Grow up.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Such a bullshit take. HCQ has been used for years for a variety of applications. Trump mentioned it one time and all of the sudden it’s kryptonite to liberals. Grow up.

According to Forbes he mentioned it 13 times.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrew...-promoted-hydroxychloroquine/?sh=539535646432

 

[jonnyboy]

According to Forbes he mentioned it 13 times.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrew...-promoted-hydroxychloroquine/?sh=539535646432

Shouldn’t matter even if he mentioned it 100 times. Inanimate objects don’t bear the burden of Donald Trump’s sins. Hydroxychloroquine didn’t vote for Donald Trump, it just sat there on the shelf minding it’s own business.

 

[barfo]

Shouldn’t matter even if he mentioned it 100 times. Inanimate objects don’t bear the burden of Donald Trump’s sins. Hydroxychloroquine didn’t vote for Donald Trump, it just sat there on the shelf minding it’s own business.

No one is blaming hydroxychloroquine. Everyone is blaming Trump for being an unlicensed quack.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

So the Chinese faked covid so Trump would give taxpayer money to pharmaceutical companies because they can't invent anymore drugs?

YES! FINALLY SOMEONE HAS BEEN READING MY NEWSLETTER!

LOL

 

[crandc]

I worked in the industry. True, many new drugs are just tweaks of existing ones. But there are truly new ones. Like Covid vaccine. Like anti retroviral. Had they been around in the 80s and 90s I would not have lost so many friends.

Yes, hydroxychoroquine has had genuine applications, under medical supervision due to potential side effects. It has clearly been shown ineffective and even harmful as prevention or treatment for Covid. Republicans began taking high doses against medical advice because Trump said so.

Pharma companies have a lot of sins to answer for, but Covid vaccine is not one of them.

 

[ABM]

....Yes, hydroxychoroquine has had genuine applications, under medical supervision due to potential side effects. It has clearly been shown ineffective and even harmful as prevention or treatment for Covid. Republicans began taking high doses against medical advice because Trump said so....

You're absolutely right.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.ED000151/full

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Anyone who endorses hydroxychoroquine makes me wonder, just what did you do in your pharma job?

Well this is such a stupid post that it defies logic.

There is no reason that people shouldn’t have a choice to take HCQ as a prophylactic treatment. It’s been approved for general use in terms of safety for 65 years. I have no idea of the efficacy profile of it for Covid, but some doctors saw it work for patients. My cynical side says it’s because there isn’t billions of dollars to be made off of a generic, unlike a patented vaccine taxpayers are spending $200 a shot on human lab rats.

It’s sad to me to see dishonest politicians claim HCQ isn’t safe while at the same time lining up people for experimental vaccines. Look at how it made this guy make his stupid post. What do you do for a living? It obviously has nothing to do with medicine.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

No one is blaming hydroxychloroquine. Everyone is blaming Trump for being an unlicensed quack.

barfo

Yet licensed “quacks” all over the world used it. Generics don’t pay Big Pharma bills like experimental vaccines approved only for emergency use, especially when taxpayers are buying the vaccine.

Some people should stick with what they know. You and that crandc guy clearly know nothing about HCQ/Zinc.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

So the Chinese faked covid so Trump would give taxpayer money to pharmaceutical companies because they can't invent anymore drugs?

YES! FINALLY SOMEONE HAS BEEN READING MY NEWSLETTER!

Nowhere did I say Covid isn’t real. Stop lying, please.

 

[barfo]

Yet licensed “quacks” all over the world used it.

Good point. There are lots of quacks, all over the world.

Generics don’t pay Big Pharma bills like experimental vaccines approved only for emergency use, especially when taxpayers are buying the vaccine.

Nor are generics useful for implanting microchips that control your behavior.

Some people should stick with what they know.

Only some people?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Nowhere did I say Covid isn’t real. Stop lying, please.

DID YOU READ MY NEWSLETTER OR NOT?

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Good point. There are lots of quacks, all over the world.

Nor are generics useful for implanting microchips that control your behavior.


barfo

Using a 65 year-old generic drug is solid medicine if it shows results. Quacks are the doctors urging people to line up for mRNA vaccines that have been in existence for 3 days and haven’t come close to completing the FDA approval process.

As for microchips, what are you talking about? Do you think there are microchips in these experimental vaccines? That’s quackery.

 

[barfo]

Using a 65 year-old generic drug is solid medicine if it shows results.

And if it doesn't show results, it isn't. We are dealing with the latter case here.

Quacks are the doctors urging people to line up for mRNA vaccines that have been in existence for 3 days and haven’t come close to completing the FDA approval process.

Your medical opinion is duly noted.

As for microchips, what are you talking about? Do you think there are microchips in these experimental vaccines? That’s quackery.

"These are routine takes on Twitter."

barfo

 

[RoseCityRebel]

And if it doesn't show results, it isn't. We are dealing with the latter case here.



Your medical opinion is duly noted.



"These are routine takes on Twitter."

barfo

Twitter is for morons and kooks. Seems about right.

Are all the doctors and patients who saw positive results from HCQ/Zinc liars? Why? What would be the point?

That’s quite the BlueAnon conspiracy theory. Forgive me for not believing you over medical professionals and patients who put the reputations on the line only to have Trump haters who don’t know ibuprofen from acetaminophen mock them.

The politicians who denied people the use of a safe generic cost countless people their lives, IMO. There was no reason to demonize HCQ other than it is extremely inexpensive.

 

[barfo]

Twitter is for morons and kooks. Seems about right.

I was quoting you.

Are all the doctors and patients who saw positive results from HCQ/Zinc liars? Why? What would be the point?

Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient. Could be correlation rather than causation.

That’s quite the BlueAnon conspiracy theory. Forgive me for not believing you over medical professionals and patients who put the reputations on the line only to have Trump haters who don’t know ibuprofen from acetaminophen mock them.

The politicians who denied people the use of a safe generic cost countless people their lives, IMO.

And you are certainly welcome to that opinion. It's not a valid medical opinion, though.

There was no reason to demonize HCQ other than it is extremely inexpensive.

And, you know, the fact that it doesn't work against Covid.

barfo

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient. Could be correlation rather than causation.

And, you know, the fact that it doesn't work against Covid.

barfo

Contradicted himself in the same post. Amazing. How do you know it doesn’t work against Covid? Where is your medical proof? Again, what motivation is there for doctors to put their reputations on the line to lie about a generic medicine that they believe helped treat Covid based on the results they saw in their clinics.

Why are you so opposed to people choosing to take a safe generic as treatment while at the same time promoting mRNA vaccines that don’t always work, as we’ve seen.

At the very worst, HCQ doesn’t work for them. Why do you care? Do you own stock in Moderna of Pfizer?

 

[RoseCityRebel]

“They are all quacks” is such a stupid and embarrassingly simplistic take.

“Unsafe” HCQ has been on the market for almost 20 years longer than ibuprofen with no change in its safety profile. It was so disingenuous trying to tell the Sheeple that it was unsafe to the point some states were banning its use for Covid but not lupus.

Generics don’t make Big Pharma billions, though.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Contradicted himself in the same post. Amazing. How do you know it doesn’t work against Covid? Where is your medical proof? Again, what motivation is there for doctors to. Put their reputations on the line to lie about a generic medicine?

Why are you so opposed to people choosing to take a safe generic as treatment while at the same time promoting mRNA vaccines that don’t always work, as we’ve seen.

At the very worst, HCQ doesn’t work for them. Why do you care? Do you own stock in Moderna of Pfizer?

HCQ has specific benefits for specific medical conditions. Saying it's a safe generic drug doesn't really mean much. Aspirin is a safe generic drug but that doesn't mean it's good for treating herpes. Serious in-depth medical studies were done on HCQ and there is no benefit for treating Covid.

What other mRNA vaccines haven't worked? The two mRNA vaccines currently in use have been working wonderfully.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

HCQ has specific benefits for specific medical conditions. Saying it's a safe generic drug doesn't really mean much. Aspirin is a safe generic drug but that doesn't mean it's good for treating herpes. Serious in-depth medical studies were done on HCQ and there is no benefit for treating Covid.

What other mRNA vaccines haven't worked? The two mRNA vaccines currently in use have been working wonderfully.

You’re somewhat lying. Studies found no benefit of HCQ on hospitalized patients. Anecdotal evidence see by some physicians for early prophylactic use after a positive test caused many to speak up about the results they found in their patients. Why would they lie about this and ruin their reputations? That makes no objective sense.

If you want to be a human lab rat for a mRNA vaccine, be my guest. Not for me unless I buy a fake card.

Guess who funded these 5 studies.

https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-...peutics-and-interventions/hydroxychloroquine/


Guidelines

• IDSA guidelines recommend against the use of hydroxychloroquine for hospitalized patients with COVID-19.
• IDSA guidelines recommend against the use of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin for hospitalized patients with COVID-19.

 

[Minstrel]

“They are all quacks” is such a stupid and embarrassingly simplistic take.

Didn't you provide the same take here:

Quacks are the doctors urging people to line up for mRNA vaccines that have been in existence for 3 days and haven’t come close to completing the FDA approval process.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You’re somewhat lying. Studies found no benefit of HCQ on hospitalized patients.

If you want to be a human lab rat for a mRNA vaccine, be my guest.

Guess who funded these 5 studies.

https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-...peutics-and-interventions/hydroxychloroquine/


Guidelines

• IDSA guidelines recommend against the use of hydroxychloroquine for hospitalized patients with COVID-19.
• IDSA guidelines recommend against the use of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin for hospitalized patients with COVID-19.

From your own link,

In summary: While observational studies of the use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and chloroquine (CQ) in patients with COVID-19 have had mixed results, several randomized controlled trials conducted in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 have not shown clinical benefit, nor have randomized controlled trials focused on post-exposure prophylaxis. In addition, some data suggest the use of HCQ may be associated with significant cardiac adverse events in patients with COVID-19. The use of HCQ or CQ is not recommended in patients with COVID-19.​

Anyway so will you be taking the Johnson and Johnson covid vaccine?

 

[riverman]

Unvaccinated people in India don't seem to be surviving the virus so any conspiracy theory about it being a placebo is pure bs....I have family members with lupus....it's not the same treatment for covid...that's just Trumpbabble...and Trump claims he got covid after months earlier taking those tablets...none of it adds up...is big pharma making a pile of money...yes....and in my view...humans have been lab rats since the dawn of the industrial age...pharmacutical medicines have saved my life many times...good luck fighting an infection without getting the shot....if that makes me a lab rat...so be it. I survived a flesh eating bacteria in the tropics with two weeks quarantine and 72 injections.....guy in the next room fighting the same thing didn't make it...if you want to gamble with your immune system's response I fully support your right to do it....I'll never recommend it though. Be prepared to homeschool though....you need to vaccinate your kids to attend public school...it's always been like that...I needed my vaccinations to get a work permit overseas, etc.....we're not fragile, pure organic beings...we're polluted from carcinogens and chemicals that have been around all our lives.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Yet another safe generic treatment that is safe is shut down by politicians. Now why would this be happening?

Sheeple...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...ug-ivermectin/ar-BB1gm2lj?ocid=BingNewsSearch


An attorney for Elmhurst Hospital said at a court hearing Tuesday that a patient whose daughter sued to procure a controversial treatment for COVID-19 has begun to receive the medication.

The lawyer, Joseph Monahan, said an outside doctor was granted credentials to work at the hospital so he could administer ivermectin to Nurije Fype, a 68-year-old who has been in intensive care for nearly a month and is on a ventilator. She received her first dose Monday night, according to Ralph Lorigo, one of her attorneys.

Monahan said the hospital’s own doctors did not want to administer the medication, which is normally used to treat patients suffering from diseases caused by parasitic worms. The Food and Drug Administration has cautioned against its use in COVID-19 cases, saying its safety and efficacy for that application has not been established.

But some researchers and physicians say they have seen good results from the drug, and when Fype’s daughter Desareta read a news story about an upstate New York woman who recovered from COVID-19 after receiving ivermectin, she went to court to secure its use for her mother.

DuPage County Judge James Orel ordered Elmhurst Hospital not to stand in the way of Fype receiving the medication. When Fype’s own doctor was unable to administer it, Lorigo said, the legal team found another physician who had to travel “1½, 2 hours each way” but was willing to do it.

Lorigo asked the judge to order Elmhurst Hospital to pay that doctor’s fees, along with Fype’s legal expenses and a $25,000 fine, and to allow a nurse to administer the drug instead of the doctor. Orel declined, saying the hospital had met the conditions of his order.

“The medication is being given,” he said.