Are you a BCS buster? Boise St vs Va Tech

[The Professional Fan]

I fucking hate Boise State. They play 1 or 2 decent opponents a year, and then a bunch of scrubs and everyone thinks they should play for a title. I am pretty sure they play at least 2 high school girls jv volleyball teams this year. I would give them an ounce of respect if they played ANY BCS teams schedule. It's much different going week in and week out, than getting up for 1 game a year, and having all summer to prepare for it.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Wheels]

I fucking hate Boise State. They play 1 or 2 decent opponents a year, and then a bunch of scrubs and everyone thinks they should play for a title. I am pretty sure they play at least 2 high school girls jv volleyball teams this year. I would give them an ounce of respect if they played ANY BCS teams schedule. It's much different going week in and week out, than getting up for 1 game a year, and having all summer to prepare for it.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[tlongII]

I fucking hate Boise State. They play 1 or 2 decent opponents a year, and then a bunch of scrubs and everyone thinks they should play for a title. I am pretty sure they play at least 2 high school girls jv volleyball teams this year. I would give them an ounce of respect if they played ANY BCS teams schedule. It's much different going week in and week out, than getting up for 1 game a year, and having all summer to prepare for it.

Well they can only play who is in their conference so I don't blame them. That's partially why they're moving to the MWC. I'm sure they would love to be in a BCS conference if one would let them in.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Well they can only play who is in their conference so I don't blame them. That's partially why they're moving to the MWC. I'm sure they would love to be in a BCS conference if one would let them in.

So them scheduling Wyoming and Toledo is something they HAD to do? And I don't blame them, I just don't think they have any business playing for a title.

 

[tlongII]

So them scheduling Wyoming and Toledo is something they HAD to do? And I don't blame them, I just don't think they have any business playing for a title.

They also scheduled Va Tech and OSU. I definitely think they should play for the title if they go undefeated and only one BCS team is undefeated.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

So them scheduling Wyoming and Toledo is something they HAD to do? And I don't blame them, I just don't think they have any business playing for a title.

A couple of years ago BSU's AD offered any top-tier BCS school a 2 for 1 contract (two games at their stadium, one on the smurf-turf), and none bit. None of them wanted any part of Boise State. So how can you blame Boise State for not playing a BCS schedule when none of the top BCS teams will play them outside of a bowl game?

 

[MickZagger]

OSU can easily start the season with 2 losses before conference play. Typical shitty start to the season by a Mike Riley coached football team.

 

[Mediocre Man]

They also scheduled Va Tech and OSU. I definitely think they should play for the title if they go undefeated and only one BCS team is undefeated.

I wonder if there will be any other team in the top 10 at the end of the year who has played only 1 team ranked in the top 25? BSU will play only 1 since OSU lost. And they got to prepare for that team all summer. It's a joke that some people think this team could do this in a real conference. Could they play a schedule like Washinton's and go undefeated? No!! @ USC, @ UO, @ CAL, @ BYU and then for good measure play Nebraska and Syracuse as well.

 

[Minstrel]

I wonder if there will be any other team in the top 10 at the end of the year who has played only 1 team ranked in the top 25? BSU will play only 1 since OSU lost. And they got to prepare for that team all summer. It's a joke that some people think this team could do this in a real conference. Could they play a schedule like Washinton's and go undefeated? No!! @ USC, @ UO, @ CAL, @ BYU and then for good measure play Nebraska and Syracuse as well.

If major BCS teams won't play them, then they should play the hardest schedule they can create and the BCS system should call it good. It has a strength of schedule component. It isn't remotely fair for top programs to say "We won't give you the opportunity to play against us, or be in our conference, and by the way, your weak strength of schedule means you're disqualified from national title contention."

So, honestly, I don't care whether they could do this against a top conference or not. Let them win a championship this way and then, if the SEC, PAC 10 and Big 10 powers don't like it, they can actually play them in the regular season and see what happens.

 

[Mediocre Man]

If major BCS teams won't play them, then they should play the hardest schedule they can create and the BCS system should call it good. It has a strength of schedule component. It isn't remotely fair for top programs to say "We won't give you the opportunity to play against us, or be in our conference, and by the way, your weak strength of schedule means you're disqualified from national title contention."

So, honestly, I don't care whether they could do this against a top conference or not. Let them win a championship this way and then, if the SEC, PAC 10 and Big 10 powers don't like it, they can actually play them in the regular season and see what happens.

Again......Wyoming and Toledo. No one can convince me there weren't better opponents out there for them to play. Washington got Nebraska and Syracuse. Oregon got Tennessee. If you don't have the conference schedule to be taken seriously, then you have to schedule better than Wyoming and Toledo. If Oregon runs the table, which I don't think they will, and BSU runs it, which should be no problem, then some people are already saying that Oregon won't go because of there strength of schedule, but BSU will? How the fuck does that make any sense?

 

[Minstrel]

Again......Wyoming and Toledo. No one can convince me there weren't better opponents out there for them to play. Washington got Nebraska and Syracuse. Oregon got Tennessee. If you don't have the conference schedule to be taken seriously, then you have to schedule better than Wyoming and Toledo. If Oregon runs the table, which I don't think they will, and BSU runs it, which should be no problem, then some people are already saying that Oregon won't go because of there strength of schedule, but BSU will? How the fuck does that make any sense?

If Oregon runs the table with a stronger schedule, why wouldn't they be ranked ahead of BSU in the BCS? As I recall, the BCS has a strength of schedule component. What would hold Oregon back? I have no doubt that coaches would give Oregon more respect than BSU, since Oregon is now a major name in a major conference.

The criticism has generally been that the BCS overvalues wins, not that it would somehow lock out an undefeated team with a strong(er) strength of schedule.

 

[The Professional Fan]

OSU can easily start the season with 2 losses before conference play. Typical shitty start to the season by a Mike Riley coached football team.

That's not fair. OSU has the balls to schedule GOOD out of conference teams every year. They could be OREGON and play New Mexico, but the Beavs have balls. They'll still be a top tier Pac 10 team when it's all said and done.

 

[Tortimer]

That's not fair. OSU has the balls to schedule GOOD out of conference teams every year. They could be OREGON and play New Mexico, but the Beavs have balls. They'll still be a top tier Pac 10 team when it's all said and done.

I have to agree that OSU has had a little harder schedule lately. The problem with Oregon is trying to get a home and home with the good teams. Many teams will play us only at their place. Oregon doesn't need the money and will only schedule if we get a home and home with them. I see we might play LSU in the season opener next year if we can drop KSU. We have played some tough non-conf teams in the last 5-8 years though. Last year we had BSU and Utah, a few years ago we had Michigan twice (when they were good) and Okc twice. We do have some tougher game scheduled in a couple years going forward.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I have to agree that OSU has had a little harder schedule lately. The problem with Oregon is trying to get a home and home with the good teams. Many teams will play us only at their place. Oregon doesn't need the money and will only schedule if we get a home and home with them. I see we might play LSU in the season opener next year if we can drop KSU. We have played some tough non-conf teams in the last 5-8 years though. Last year we had BSU and Utah, a few years ago we had Michigan twice (when they were good) and Okc twice. We do have some tougher game scheduled in a couple years going forward.

And it's not Oregon's fault that Tennessee sucks this year, either. But the Beavs still typically play a tougher out of conference schedule. Boise St and TCU? Oregon = New Mexico and Portland St.

 

[RoyToy]

And it's not Oregon's fault that Tennessee sucks this year, either. But the Beavs still typically play a tougher out of conference schedule. Boise St and TCU? Oregon = New Mexico and Portland St.

You say it above and then leave it out here. They play @ Tennessee.

 

[RoyToy]

And Oregon didn't need to schedule a huge list of tough OOC games this year. They already have to play @ USC, @ Cal and @ OSU. No point in creating the most brutal schedule possible.

In the end they're playing a respectable SEC opponent in their house. Good enough.

 

[Wheels]

And it's not Oregon's fault that Tennessee sucks this year, either. But the Beavs still typically play a tougher out of conference schedule. Boise St and TCU? Oregon = New Mexico and Portland St.

I realize that its your thing to hate Oregon unconditionally.. but lets break it down. I looked at OOC Schedules back to 02 (as far as ESPN schedule and results went)

2002-
Oregon State OOC Opponents- Eastern Kentucky, Temple, UNLV, Fresno St
Oregon OOC Opponents- Miss St, Fresno St, Idaho, Port St.

Both teams played Fresno St so thats a wash... and the other schools were pretty much garbage. I call this OOC Schedule a wash. Advantage... Even.

2003-
Oregon State OOC Opponents- Sacramento st, Fresno st, New Mexico St, Boise St.
Oregon OOC Opponents - Miss State, Nevada, Michigan, Utah.

The #4 Wolverines trump BSU in this, and Utah comes ahead of Fres State. Advantage.... Oregon.

2004-

Oregon St OOC Schedule- LSU, BSU, New Mex
Oregon OOC Schedule- Indiana, Oklahoma, Idaho.

While Oklahoma that year trumps LSU (IMO) Boise St was still a better 2nd opponent, than Indiana or Idaho were. Advantage OSU.

2005-

OSU OOC Schedule- Louisville, Boise St, Port St.
UO OOC Schedule - Houston, Montano, Fresno St

While Fresno and BSU were pretty equal, I would give OSU the edge of Louisville over Houston. Advantage OSU.

2006-

OSU OOC Schedule- Eastern Wash, Boise St, Idaho
UO OOC Schedule- Fresno St, Oklahoma, Port St

Oklahoma and Boise may have bene top level opponents (with BSU beating OU in the Fiesta Bowl actually) but Fresno is a better opponent than Idaho. Advantage... Oregon

2007-

OSU OOC Schedule- Utah, Cinci, Id St
UO OOC Schedule - Houston, Michigan, Fres St

Oregon scheduled 3 quality opponents (since we arent holding the team being bad against them, being how they are scheduled in advance) vs OSU's 2 opponents. Advantage... Oregon

2008-

OSU OOC Schedule - Penn St, Hawaii, Utah
UO OOC Schedule- Utah St, Boise St, Purdue.

No need to break this one down really, OSU had 3 quality opponents, to Oregon's 2. (even though Purdue wasnt that good that year) Advantage... OSU.

2009-

OSU OOC Schedule- Port St, UNLV, Cinci
Oregon OOC Schedule - Boise St, Utah, Purdue

Advantage Oregon.

2010

OSU OOC Schedule- Boise St, TCU, Louisville
UO OOC Schedule - NM State, Tenn, Port St

Advantage OSU.

 

[Wheels]

So I count 4 for OSU, and 4 for UO.. with that debatable one in 2002... Like I said.. I know its your thing to hate on them... but please dont let that get in the way of how things are.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So I count 4 for OSU, and 4 for UO.. with that debatable one in 2002... Like I said.. I know its your thing to hate on them... but please dont let that get in the way of how things are.

The one thing you really aren't taking to account though is that when these teams were scheduled, they might have been a lot better, or a lot worse. How this all got started is that we were talking about Toledo and Wyoming for BSU, who have sucked for as long as I can remember.

 

[RoyToy]

http://184.72.61.60/cms/index.php/duck-football/comments/lsu-oregon-in-2011-is-a-done-deal/

Oregon opening against LSU next year in Cowboys Stadium.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Facts cannot get in the way of my hatred towards the Ducks. What is even more disturbing is they looked ridiculously good this weekend, and easily looked like the best PAC 10 team. I can only hope they stumble. Ranked #7 now. Barf.

 

[Wheels]

Facts cannot get in the way of my hatred towards the Ducks. What is even more disturbing is they looked ridiculously good this weekend, and easily looked like the best PAC 10 team. I can only hope they stumble. Ranked #7 now. Barf.

lol that is the most objective Ducks comment I have ever read from you

 

[Tortimer]

It's official the Ducks open with LSU in Cowboy stadium next year.

 

[mook]

So them scheduling Wyoming and Toledo is something they HAD to do? And I don't blame them, I just don't think they have any business playing for a title.

That's a very good point. Living here in Boise, I always hear about how "nobody wants to play us." But geez, they can definitely find better competition than that. I wonder what their rationale was.

Next time I hear this bullshit I'll have a retort ready.

 

[The Professional Fan]

It's official the Ducks open with LSU in Cowboy stadium next year.

Beavs have been there and done that already.

EDIT: So have the Dawgs. lol.

 

[MickZagger]

Beavs have been there and done that already.

Are you a Beavs fan or UW fan? Good grief.

Its like Beavs and Puppies unite.

 

[Wheels]

Are you a Beavs fan or UW fan? Good grief.

Its like Beavs and Puppies unite.

lol while I dont think Professional Fan is one of these... but there are a lot of fans who honestly I think hate The Ducks more than they support their team. For those who really do that, it is rather annoying. Its like we get with the Lakers a lot in here.

 

[Tortimer]

Beavs have been there and done that already.

EDIT: So have the Dawgs. lol.

That's true but the Ducks are going to beat them!

 

[MickZagger]

lol while I dont think Professional Fan is one of these... but there are a lot of fans who honestly I think hate The Ducks more than they support their team. For those who really do that, it is rather annoying. Its like we get with the Lakers a lot in here.

Its easy to do that when the team you root for hasn't been relevant in years.

I was watching the Boise St. game with a good bud is a UW alumni and huge Dawgs homer. He was telling me about when Locker was a freshman and they were selling "What Would Jake Do" T-shirts on campus. Even he admits he'd rather have that lightly recruited Kellen Moore over Locker in a heartbeat.

Many UW fans are in denial that Locker is a good QB.

 

[Minstrel]

lol while I dont think Professional Fan is one of these... but there are a lot of fans who honestly I think hate The Ducks more than they support their team. For those who really do that, it is rather annoying. Its like we get with the Lakers a lot in here.

I like the sad face. Such people disappoint Wheels. Shakes his faith in the enduring character of humanity.