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i think she is whacked and have many issues with the prosperity gospel message she adheres too.

Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Matthew 19:22
When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.
 
another rebuttal to the prosperity gospel
Mark 10 : 23-25
23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God!” 24 This amazed them. But Jesus said again, “Dear children, it is very hard to enter the Kingdom of God. 25 In fact, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!
 
lawai'a said:
Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Matthew 19:22
When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.
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I saw that movie.

The Legend of Bernie Sanders. :cheers:
 
crandc said:
Wow, babies die in the womb? But but but I thought they were so pro life for fetuses (once born people are on their own).

Fortunately I am 1) and atheist and 2) registered independent so I am not losing sleep over this fraudster.
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I'd like you to consider the vast array of options (many which have not even been brought to surface) which lend to Theistic belief. Obviously you've given it a lot of thought and have weighed your own personal circumstances to formulate your beliefs, and I would never seek to undermine them. I just want you to know that my experiences have brought me to believe that God very much exists. I refer to them as 'God' and 'Christ' but I don't necessarily believe in the sense of conventional Christianity or Catholicism. I'm not Buddhist, Hindu, or Muslim. However I do believe that a lot of the truth is present in all popular religions.

Basically my stance on Atheism is this... I can prove the possibility of a God/God's as much as you can provide evidence for why you don't believe one exists. Therefor you are not atheist because we cannot truly know (with 100% certainty) in this lifetime whether or not God exists; therefor you are an Agnostic. I don't think anyone can actually be an Atheist; like it is literally not possible by the bounds of reality. It's in there whether you like it or not, as it is part of what makes us who we are.

Basically Kantian/Lockean knowledge through experience philosophy. In order to know God exists, you must first meet God. We cannot 'meet' God in this life; therefor we cannot know whether or not they exist. However it would seem through many accounts of near death experiences that there is something which happens in our minds upon death which notes at greater significance to our existence than what we perceive here.

Fascinating if you think about it really. It could truly be our purpose here... What has caused more War throughout history than the argument over such a great belief? I would hypothesize that if the truth were to ever be given, and we were to know God in this lifetime - that there would be peace on Earth.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
Someone obviously cares because she has a position in the White House.
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So does the head dishwasher.

So did Billy Graham, for decades.

Obama's spiritual advisor said on the pulpit to murder light-skinned Americans.

Nobody cares. Because America protects religious liberty for all Americans.

This constant barrage of hateful misinformed attacks on Christianity (no other religion) by the lefty media over the last 30-40 years has really turned off a lot of people including atheists like me. Pretty much anyone who believes in Freedom of thought, speech, association...sees it for what it really is.

BTW, read about The Pilgrims if you're still confused.
 
PDXFonz said:
Basically my stance on Atheism is this... I can prove the possibility of a God/God's as much as you can provide evidence for why you don't believe one exists. Therefor you are not atheist because we cannot truly know (with 100% certainty) in this lifetime whether or not God exists; therefor you are an Agnostic.
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That doesn't make any sense. The words atheist, theist, and agnostic refer to one's beliefs, not one's knowledge, about god(s).

If she's an agnostic by your definition, then so are you, and so is everyone else. Nobody has any proof one way or the other. But that's not what the word means.

I don't think anyone can actually be an Atheist; like it is literally not possible by the bounds of reality. It's in there whether you like it or not, as it is part of what makes us who we are.
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Again doesn't make any sense. People believe all sorts of things, some people believe there isn't a god, I believe I'll have another beer.

barfo
 
PDXFonz said:
Basically my stance on Atheism is this... I can prove the possibility of a God as much as you can provide evidence for why you don't believe there is one. Therefor you are not atheist because we cannot truly know (with 100% certainty) in this lifetime whether or not God exists; therefor you are an Agnostic.
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Flawed logic. And no, you cannot prove the possibility that Gods exist.

Possible definition:
Capable of happening, existing, or being true without contradicting proven facts, laws, or circumstances.

All religions were created by man, to control man, for ulterior purposes. Much like our mass media today.

Their existence is dependent upon unquestioning blind faith of their believers, for obvious reasons.

Atheism is not a belief. It is knowledge of factual reality.

It is a definite conclusion, usually based on an exhaustive search ending in the complete absence of any discoverable evidence to the contrary, and in conjunction with known evidence that disproves pretty much every religion's childlike absurdity, and various known facts about the creation of life, the universe, and Teletubbies.

And Epstein didn't kill himself.
 
barfo said:
That doesn't make any sense. The words atheist, theist, and agnostic refer to one's beliefs, not one's knowledge, about god(s).

If she's an agnostic by your definition, then so are you, and so is everyone else. Nobody has any proof one way or the other. But that's not what the word means.



Again doesn't make any sense. People believe all sorts of things, some people believe there isn't a god, I believe I'll have another beer.

barfo
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On the same page as you, it is impossible to refute what you've said. I was certainly looking at the definition with bias from my own personal beliefs, interesting.
 
MARIS61 said:
Flawed logic. And no, you cannot prove the possibility that Gods exist.

Possible definition:
Capable of happening, existing, or being true without contradicting proven facts, laws, or circumstances.

All religions were created by man, to control man, for ulterior purposes. Much like our mass media today.

Their existence is dependent upon unquestioning blind faith of their believers, for obvious reasons.

Atheism is not a belief. It is knowledge of factual reality.

It is a definite conclusion, usually based on an exhaustive search ending in the complete absence of any discoverable evidence to the contrary, and in conjunction with known evidence that disproves pretty much every religion's childlike absurdity, and various known facts about the creation of life, the universe, and Teletubbies.

And Epstein didn't kill himself.
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"as much as" were the key words there. You are right however, I cannot prove God exists, you cannot prove God does not exist.

I cannot prove that ancient scriptures were not written by humans, you cannot prove that they were. We haven't really even defined what a human is; although maybe you feel that you have. Surely you acknowledge that you exist, therefor you came from something which came from something else. However you get from point A to B is your belief, is it not?

There are plenty of non-religious albeit spiritual individuals out there seeking understanding in life, finding their own faith. I don't find this desire to understand to be a prison manufactured by greed driven individuals, but I also cannot say it is not possible. Truth be told there are scenarios where we both could both be right simultaneously. I certainly do see the symbolism in comparing media to religion, and I find it hard to argue that there have at least been plenty of individuals on this planet who have used religion to do just as you say.
 
PDXFonz said:
"as much as" were the key words there. You are right however, I cannot prove God exists, you cannot prove God does not exist.

I cannot prove that ancient scriptures were not written by humans, you cannot prove that they were. We haven't really even defined what a human is; although maybe you feel that you have. Surely you acknowledge that you exist, therefor you came from something which came from something else. However you get from point A to B is your belief, is it not?

There are plenty of non-religious albeit spiritual individuals out there seeking understanding in life, finding their own faith. I don't find this desire to understand to be a prison manufactured by greed driven individuals, but I also cannot say it is not possible. Truth be told there are scenarios where we both could both be right simultaneously. I certainly do see the symbolism in comparing media to religion, and I find it hard to argue that there have at least been plenty of individuals on this planet who have used religion to do just as you say.
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Obviously we would have to agree on what your definition of God is.

Then, if you are suggesting it is an actual being, pretty easy to disprove.

Yes we have defined what a human is, both scientifically and medically.

Yes we have proven that every written word known to man was written by humans.

Yes we have proven humans evolved from lesser beings.

I have no "beliefs".

I have knowledge of many things, and am constantly seeking knowledge on pretty much everything else.

After seriously spending a large chunk of my teenage years exploring different religions it became obvious that there is no possibility that Gods (as defined by most religions as the creator of the world, universe and all it's inhabitants) exist. Zero. Impossible.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Paula White, Trump's "spiritual adviser" and a prominent Christian hustler, has claimed that Democrats, liberals and others who oppose Trump are possessed by the devil and demonic forces.

In a video released on Friday (originally recorded at a Jan. 5 sermon) White even went so far as to use magical enchantments, calling for those who oppose Donald Trump ("satanic forces") to have their babies die in the womb.

https://www.salon.com/2020/01/28/do...-why-the-assault-on-democracy-will-get-worse/
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I was but I'm well now. I'm no longer a Republican and I canceled my subscription to Playboy. Also, can't cuss in front of my wife.
Are you having trouble with the Devil? Exorcisms performed here. $5
 
MARIS61 said:
Obviously we would have to agree on what your definition of God is.

Then, if you are suggesting it is an actual being, pretty easy to disprove.

Yes we have defined what a human is, both scientifically and medically.

Yes we have proven that every written word known to man was written by humans.

Yes we have proven humans evolved from lesser beings.

I have no "beliefs".

I have knowledge of many things, and am constantly seeking knowledge on pretty much everything else.

After seriously spending a large chunk of my teenage years exploring different religions it became obvious that there is no possibility that Gods (as defined by most religions as the creator of the world, universe and all it's inhabitants) exist. Zero. Impossible.
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You say that every written word known to man was written by humans but Mormons dispute that. They believe in gold tablets inscribed by the angel Moroni.
 
Lanny said:
You say that every written word known to man was written by humans but Mormons dispute that. They believe in gold tablets inscribed by the angel Moroni.
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uhoh. Now you've done it.
Maris is about to spam you with 9000 copy+paste articles.
Way to go Lanny....
 
It's the responsibility of those who propound a belief to provide evidence. Religious believers say that the point is to have faith instead. I made a conscious decision that I cannot accept a belief without evidence. I imagine those who call themselves Christian do not believe in divinity of Confucius, Buddha, Thor, Zeus etc. I extend disbelief to the monotheistic god of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
 
crandc said:
It's the responsibility of those who propound a belief to provide evidence. Religious believers say that the point is to have faith instead. I made a conscious decision that I cannot accept a belief without evidence. I imagine those who call themselves Christian do not believe in divinity of Confucius, Buddha, Thor, Zeus etc. I extend disbelief to the monotheistic god of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
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Try looking at it this way. When did infinity begin? hint: it was a long long time ago. Now, when does infinity end? hint: it's not for a long long time. While you ponder that and before I go nuts thinking about it, I think I'll have some beer. If I err and think about it too much I'll go nuts and it'll take a short case before I gradually adjust for the moment anyhow.
 
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