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KingSpeed said:
Armon Johnson is shooting 65% from the field and 100% from the three point line.
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Armon shot .167 from the three point line in summer league, and shot .289 in college. Armon is not a good 3pt shooter.
 
As a Bulls fan, I was highly impressed with Armon against the Bulls. He looks like an NBA ready PG and like he could step in for Dre and do a solid job.

I always thought a lot of you were overselling Bayless' ability to turn into a PG or why you really wanted him to be one. He is on the small side, but able to score and draw fouls well enough. Showed up big in some big games, too.
 
Armon can't be Nick Van Exel because Brandon Jennings is Nick Van Exel.

I endorse the Eric Snow-with-a-jump-shot comparison, for several reasons:

Van Exel (like Jennings) was blindingly quick. Armon isn't.
Van Exel (like Jennings) was a chucker. Thankfully, Armon isn't.
Van Exel (like Jennings) was very slight. Thankfully, Armon isn't.
Van Exel (as Jennings was accused of having) had a 'tude. Armon is sweetness and light.
True, all three are left-handed.
Van Exel came from Wisconsin and went to LA. Jennings came from LA and went to Wisconsin.
 
Tince said:
I feel like he's got a lot of Greg Anthony in him
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Well, they both went to college in Nevada. But I don't think Armon was president of the Young Republicans while there.

I will be very pleased if Armon has Anthony's game. A bit more shooting and better PG skills, perhaps, but the hounding defense seems to be promising.
 
I think Armon Johnson is a near perfect combination of Pistol Pete, Magic Johnson and John Stockton with a bith of Shawn Kemp thrown in.



Either that or I haven't really seen enough of his game to make an acurate comparison.
I can't decide which.
 
So far he reminds me more of Eric Snow. Nick Van Excel was dangerous and scoring 20 points a game his rookie year, and was much more likely to shoot than pass. His defense was pathetic his whole career.
 
One thing I really like about Armon is his willingness to throw passes from strong side to weak side, and to do it accurately. Not just around the perimeter, but cross court, along the baseline, etc. Just watch him. That's a pass that can lead to a turnover, so it's got a lot of downside if you fuck up. And it has less personal upside, because it often leads to another pass to a corner or the post to an even more open man, meaning it doesn't translate directly into an assist for him. So that willingness isn't really great for his own personal stats, but it's fantastic for team basketball. It's not particularly a clever "highlight" pass. But it's very effective. It keeps defenses from loading up, forcing them off balance.

It's the kind of pass I don't think youngsters like Telfair or even Sergio did much (and Bayless never did). They were too worried about getting yanked because of the potential turnover. Even Miller doesn't do it that much, because I think he's got a natural inclination to want to control the ball more.

Anyway, I don't know that this willingness compares much to Van Exel or any other PG in particular. I just think it's an interesting part of his game. He's making the smart pass that probably harms his assist-to-turnover ratio, instead of holding onto the ball and looking for the sure dime or the conventional short pass.
 
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It seems Armon reminds a lot of people of a lot of different PG. I guess the main thing is, he reminds people of a lot of player who in their own right, turned out pretty good for at least a few years. That is what is important, isn't it? If they were saying for instance, that he reminded them of Luke Ridnour, then I would be worried.
 
hasoos said:
It seems Armon reminds a lot of people of a lot of different PG. I guess the main thing is, he reminds people of a lot of player who in their own right, turned out pretty good for at least a few years. That is what is important, isn't it? If they were saying for instance, that he reminded them of Luke Ridnour, then I would be worried.
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Yep. That's the main thing. It's been a long time since we had a rookie PG that reminded virtually everyone on this board of a competent veteran PG.
 
I don't like the Kenny Anderson comparison. AJ is 40 pounds heavier then Kenny. Kenny was all handles and quickness.
 
As others have said: Eric Snow. Good size, more of a passer than a scorer, not a great outside shooter.

He's left-handed, though, which is even better.

Ed O.
 
Shooter said:
Don't be a jerk. The OP is making a valid point, and you're pushing it to ridiculous lengths.
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Oddly enough I was only attempting humor. Being a jerk never really crossed my mind ... however it's entirely possible that being a jerk just comes naturally to me and requires no effort.
 
hasoos said:
It seems Armon reminds a lot of people of a lot of different PG. I guess the main thing is, he reminds people of a lot of player who in their own right, turned out pretty good for at least a few years. That is what is important, isn't it? If they were saying for instance, that he reminded them of Luke Ridnour, then I would be worried.
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Absolutely. For instance I think Patty reminds more than a couple people of Damon (for better or worse) and Bayless never reminded me of anybody I'd ever really call good point guard.
 
Many people were reminded of Steve Nash by Sergio (these people failed to notice that Steve Nash can shoot lights out, but they were still reminded).
 
MickZagger said:
Armon is handles and quickness too.
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Not at all like Anderson. Anderson was amazing with the ball and really quick.

I think you're forgetting what kind of player Kenny Anderson was.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Not at all like Anderson. Anderson was amazing with the ball and really quick.

I think you're forgetting what kind of player Kenny Anderson was.

Ed O.
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I remember watching Kenny plenty. Even with the Nets when he was in his prime. He was definitely a speed demon, but like Armon he played with that herky-jerky left handed style, basically living off mid-range floaters. I think a lot of people are underrating Armon's speed. I've seen him in the opencourt, he's definitely no Eric Snow running the break.
 
ZAGS you are on Medication right now! You have to be to think their games are similar!
 
Kenny was lightning quick and weighed 165lbs at best! AJ is an up in your face solid rocked out player. More strength then speed!
 
HCP said:
Kenny was lightning quick and weighed 165lbs at best! AJ is an up in your face solid rocked out player. More strength then speed!
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If you don't think Armon is quick I don't know what to tell you. I've seen him blow by his defender several times this year to get in the paint easily.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Armon-Johnson-5752/

One of the most impressive athletes in attendance, Johnson sports an outstanding frame for a point guard to go along with great explosiveness and quickness, both of which he makes full use of with his aggressive style of play.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/players/armon-johnson

Very quick and athletic player which when combined with his size makes him intriguing
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First step is extremely fast making him a tough player to stay in front of
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/27/armon-johnson-puts-on-a-rather-quiet-show/

His speed makes him an already effective pick-and-roll defender, and that technique will only improve as Johnson gets more and more opportunities to play.
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So far, so good for Armon. He’s not going to shock the world in nine-minute spurts, but he’s already quietly winning over NBA die-hards with his quickness, vision, and defense.
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Screw you and your facts! You are wrong!
 
KingSpeed said:
Summer league and college mean nothing.
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right, while making two straight 3pt attempts speaks volumes... got it!

MickZagger said:
Armon is handles and quickness too.
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is John Wall thought to be quick? Here's his pre-draft stuff next to Armon's

Height Lbs Wing StndRch Vert/1Step Agility Sprint
JW 6'2.75 196 6'9.25 8'5.5 30.0/39.0 11'8.5 10.84 3.14
AJ- 6'2.00 195 6'8.00 8'3.5 31.5/38.5 11'6.0 11.25 3.19

I don't get the OP comparison other then a little by the looks of their long arms hoisting jumpers from on top of their heads. As far as style of play Van X was an offensive player primarily with that deadly J of his... he was a great go-to option at the end of the clock and game. I see Johnson more as defender/athlete more along the lines of Russell Westbrooke

STOMP
 
John Wall's thought to be once in a generation type quick.
 
MickZagger said:
John Wall's thought to be once in a generation type quick.
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the pre-draft stuff shows AJ to be the slightest shade behind him in size/speed. Skill level separates them more then athleticism/size

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
the pre-draft stuff shows AJ to be the slightest shade behind him in size/speed. Skill level separates them more then athleticism/size

STOMP
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Pretty much. I'm wondering what Kenny Anderson measured out to during his pre-draft. I've looked, but I don't think it goes that far back.
 
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