Around the NBA: 2022 Offseason (1 Viewer)

[PtldPlatypus]

like I said.....

curious...setting aside the hard cap for a bit, would you guys rather have Powell at 18M or Payton at 9M? Which one fits better with Dame/Simons + Billups?

So, you mean would I rather have Powell starting at SG at 18M and Ant coming off the bench at probably around 15M (if that) along with some TPMLE signing for 6M, or Payton at 8 and Winslow at 4 and Keon at 2.6 and Bledsoe('s cap hit) at 3.9 and Ant at 22?

Probably the former, but that's just me.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

like I said.....

curious...setting aside the hard cap for a bit, would you guys rather have Powell at 18M or Payton at 9M? Which one fits better with Dame/Simons + Billups?

Powell is a substantially more proven and talented player than Payton.

But, like has been said, we should have waited until the offseason to move him if that is what we wanted to do. Or closer to the deadline. Winslow and Keon is a trash return.

 

[Hoopguru]

like I said.....

curious...setting aside the hard cap for a bit, would you guys rather have Powell at 18M or Payton at 9M? Which one fits better with Dame/Simons + Billups?

GP hands down imo.

 

[wizenheimer]

So, you mean would I rather have Powell starting at SG at 18M and Ant coming off the bench at probably around 15M (if that) along with some TPMLE signing for 6M, or Payton at 8 and Winslow at 4 and Keon at 2.6 and Bledsoe('s cap hit) at 3.9 and Ant at 22?

Probably the former, but that's just me.

no...that's not what I mean. But ok....Powell > Winslow + Payton + Keon. I know your gauges better now

here's what I mean: some people will not let go of the idea that Powell could have been traded for a lot more than he was....even though there's not a shred of evidence he could have been. Personally, I don't care about the return from the Powell trade; I didn't at the time and I don't now. The important thing was to shed his contract as part of the absolutely needed dismantling of olshey's shitty dysfunctional roster

 

[PtldPlatypus]

no...that's not what I mean. But ok....Powell > Winslow + Payton + Keon. I know your gauges better now

here's what I mean: some people will not let go of the idea that Powell could have been traded for a lot more than he was....even though there's not a shred of evidence he could have been. Personally, I don't care about the return from the Powell trade; I didn't at the time and I don't now. The important thing was to shed his contract as part of the absolutely needed dismantling of olshey's shitty dysfunctional roster

And that's where we differ. I don't necessarily care whether he could have been traded for more. I care about whether the return is better for this franchise than he was, or put another way, is the franchise better off having traded him than it would be if they hadn't. Comparing what we have as a result with what we'd have otherwise, I am not impressed.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Some folks like to just give away 20ish ppg efficient scorers for minimal return.

Including Payton is funny. Because he hard capped us and we would have had other exception to use while not gettinf hard capped with Powell still here.

We also could have explored moving Hart elsewhere to see what returns he would get this offseason. Hard for some to swallow. But, at the end of the day, the Powell trade was abysmal.

 

[RR7]

And that's where we differ. I don't necessarily care whether he could have been traded for more. I care about whether the return is better for this franchise than he was, or put another way, is the franchise better off having traded him than it would be if they hadn't. Comparing what we have as a result with what we'd have otherwise, I am not impressed.

But your what we could have had scenario is you arbitrarily paying Simons 10 million a year less than he's getting paid. If we get to just make things up in ideal situations then sure whatever you wanted is better than what actually happened. Why not sign Lavine for that TPMLE while we're at it!

 

[Scalma]

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But your what we could have had scenario is you arbitrarily paying Simons 10 million a year less than he's getting paid. If we get to just make things up in ideal situations then sure whatever you wanted is better than what actually happened. Why not sign Lavine for that TPMLE while we're at it!

Not 10 mil less...7, and even if he were being paid 22M (which I doubt he would if Norm were being kept around to be the starter at SG), it would still be better than what we got for trading Norm.

 

[RR7]

Not 10 mil less...7, and even if he were being paid 22M (which I doubt he would if Norm were being kept around to be the starter at SG), it would still be better than what we got for trading Norm.

Sorry, was just working off the average salary.
So we want to pay norm 18 to be an undersized no defense SG next to Dame. And hope that simons takes a below market deal to come off the bench behind him? Ok.

 

[blazerkor]

Ouch! The Suns waited around and either have to eat a contract they don't want or let him walk without compensation. Of course they could match the offer sheet and then pursue trades but I think he'll be trade restricted until mid January. SMH

 

[Scalma]

Wonder what happens to Myles Turner now that he cant be traded to phoenix. Whats his market?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Sorry, was just working off the average salary.
So we want to pay norm 18 to be an undersized no defense SG next to Dame. And hope that simons takes a below market deal to come off the bench behind him? Ok.

Don't know that it would be "below-market", but I'm pretty sure that he's presently getting "above-market". I'd like for him to actually be paid an amount commensurate to what other teams might have offered.

As for Norm's defense--he played plenty in Toronto, and I believe he would have been much more effective defensively at SG than he was at SF. I certainly believe him to be better defensively at SG than Ant will be.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Ouch! The Suns waited around and either have to eat a contract they don't want or let him walk without compensation. Of course they could match the offer sheet and then pursue trades but I think he'll be trade restricted until mid January. SMH

I expect the Suns to match. Too much would walk out the door.
December 15 (IIRC) becomes the date Ayton could be traded if he waives his right not to be traded for one year.
[I could be wrong.]
The trade deadline could be BIG this year.

 

[illmatic99]

So either the Suns are forced to go into the tax to match, or they lose a key piece for nothing. And I'm here for making a fellow WC team weaker.

We can still absorb Cam Johnson's contract and stay under the apron btw. That's still possible after waiving Didi. We can help Sarver cut a substantial portion of that tax bill.

 

[Scalma]

I expect the Suns to match. Too much would walk out the door.
December 15 (IIRC) becomes the date Ayton could be traded if he waives his right not to be traded for one year.
[I could be wrong.]
The trade deadline could be BIG this year.

What’s a maxed out Aytons market anyway? That doesn’t seem like value imo.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I expect the Suns to match. Too much would walk out the door.
December 15 (IIRC) becomes the date Ayton could be traded if he waives his right not to be traded for one year.
[I could be wrong.]
The trade deadline could be BIG this year.

Yeah, that would be crazy not to match. You got to get something out of the #1 pick, especially after not drafting Doncic.

 

[illmatic99]

Also... this kinda scenario is exactly why you don't let your RFAs go out and get a contract. Hands get forced and that's never a good thing.

 

[illmatic99]

Wonder what happens to Myles Turner now that he cant be traded to phoenix. Whats his market?

whatever value he had, Indiana just cratered it (unless Phoenix matches Ayton). a guy teams know they HAVE to move on the last year of his contract probably does not have very much value.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Also... this kinda scenario is exactly why you don't let your RFAs go out and get a contract. Hands get forced and that's never a good thing.

Yeah 33 million a year is pretty high for a center. They might have tried and he said he wanted to check the market though. Guess if they made an offer and he refused he probably wouldn't get 133 mil from the Pacers?
Weird how these things work out?

 

[illmatic99]

This is an interesting note. So S&Ts can still happen

 

[wizenheimer]

Also... this kinda scenario is exactly why you don't let your RFAs go out and get a contract. Hands get forced and that's never a good thing.

If Ayton was demanding that Phoenix gave him a max contract, I'm not sure what the Suns could have done other than concede

 

[Hoopguru]

Guessing there will be a sign & trade?

 

[wizenheimer]

This is an interesting note. So S&Ts can still happen

am I reading this situation right?....Indiana has the cap-space so Ayton's BYC status doesn't matter for them

for the Suns, 50% of Ayton's salary is 15.5M so they could accept Myles Turner and his 17.5M salary. But if Indiana believed they could get something decent for Turner, they might not just agree to give him to Phoenix, especially if they believed the Suns won't match

 

[illmatic99]

am I reading this situation right?....Indiana has the cap-space so Ayton's BYC status doesn't matter for them

for the Suns, 50% of Ayton's salary is 15.5M so they could accept Myles Turner and his 17.5M salary. But if Indiana believed they could get something decent for Turner, they might not just agree to give him to Phoenix, especially if they believed the Suns won't match

yes. a Ayton for Turner S&T is still possible for the next 8 hrs or so if Ayton is about to sign the offer today.

 

[Pinwheel1]

am I reading this situation right?....Indiana has the cap-space so Ayton's BYC status doesn't matter for them

for the Suns, 50% of Ayton's salary is 15.5M so they could accept Myles Turner and his 17.5M salary. But if Indiana believed they could get something decent for Turner, they might not just agree to give him to Phoenix, especially if they believed the Suns won't match

I would be shocked if Turner did not bring back good value. He is still only 26.

 

[illmatic99]

I would be shocked if Turner did not bring back good value. He is still only 26.

indiana has very little leverage, he's on an expiring deal. i'd be shocked if they get anything more than a lottery protected first.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But if Indiana believed they could get something decent for Turner, they might not just agree to give him to Phoenix, especially if they believed the Suns won't match

Yeah, Phoenix's only leverage here is basically to say, "Trade us Turner today or we'll match the offer sheet this weekend".

 

[blazerkor]

Yeah, Phoenix's only leverage here is basically to say, "Trade us Turner today or we'll match the offer sheet this weekend".

Which everyone knows they don't want to do. The fact is that Indy could turn around and say, then give us two future lotto protected firsts for Turner. Phoenix is in win now mode and they'll be in trouble if they let Ayton walk for nothing. Quite a disaster for them unless the talk about them not thinking Ayton was worth the max was posturing.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Indiana gave the offer — and Ayton accepted? Then they can’t do a sign and trade. That ship sailed. IIRC.
This year’s Trade Deadline could be BIG.