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DDolla said:
I would trade Simons for Poole straight up
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Why? They have similar numbers this season. Ant is a better 3pt shooter and playmaker. Also, Poole has the luxury of playing with Steph and Klay. It’s easier when the defenses can’t focus on you. Ant had to face defenses that schemed against him as the #1 option.
 
OneSport3 said:
Why? They have similar numbers this season. Ant is a better 3pt shooter and playmaker. Also, Poole has the luxury of playing with Steph and Klay. It’s easier when the defenses can’t focus on you. Ant had to face defenses that schemed against him as the #1 option.
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Ant is a better 3 pt shooter, yes. But he's not a better playmaker. They are about even in that regard, and that's with Poole not being used as the PG like Simons was. Poole is a better rebounder. I'd also credit Poole as being the better defender by quite a bit, although some of that is because of system and playing with good defenders

and while Ant shoots three's better, Poole is a more efficient shooter and scorer. Mainly because he gets to the FT line at a much higher rate and shoots 68% at the rim while Ant shoots under 57%

they look to be pretty similar in talent level. Big difference is that Poole has proved it for a lot more games than Simons has
 

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wizenheimer said:
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Ant is a better 3 pt shooter, yes. But he's not a better playmaker. They are about even in that regard, and that's with Poole not being used as the PG like Simons was. Poole is a better rebounder. I'd also credit Poole as being the better defender by quite a bit, although some of that is because of system and playing with good defenders

and while Ant shoots three's better, Poole is a more efficient shooter and scorer. Mainly because he gets to the FT line at a much higher rate and shoots 68% at the rim while Ant shoots under 57%

they look to be pretty similar in talent level. Big difference is that Poole has proved it for a lot more games than Simons has
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Poole is playing with Steph and Klay. Ant played the majority of his minutes as the #1 option. We haven’t seen Poole do it as the #1 option. We’ve seen what Ant can do with the defensive focus on him.

There’s context as well. We all know Ant isn’t the best defender, but he was playing the majority of his minutes with a roster that was tanking. His defensive numbers are skewed. Poole is playing with one of the best defensive teams in the league.
 
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OneSport3 said:
Poole is playing with Steph and Klay. Ant played the majority of his minutes as the #1 option.
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Curry missed 18 games; Klay missed 50 games; Draymond missed 36 games. So it wasn't like Poole spent 82 games hiding behind those guys. And Ant's numbers fell when CJ came back and Ant had to defer some of the offense to him. It's not always the case that players play better when they drop down the option list

I'm fine if you like Simons more, but there's really not much reason to think he's better than Poole, at least not at this stage. Poole is actually 2 weeks younger than Ant...:)

on the other hand, Ant's numbers in his last 27 games were quite a bit better than his first 30 games
 
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wizenheimer said:
Curry missed 18 games; Klay missed 50 games; Draymond missed 36 games. So it wasn't like Poole spent 82 games hiding behind those guys. And Ant's numbers fell when CJ came back and Ant had to defer some of the offense to him. It's not always the case that play

I'm fine if you like Simons more, but there's really not much reason to think he's better than Poole, at least not at this stage. Poole is actually 2 weeks younger than Ant...:)

on the other hand, Ant's numbers in his last 27 games were quite a bit better than his first 30 games
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Even if Curry, Klay or Draymond missed a lot of games, Poole still played 64 games with Curry, 32 games with Klay and 46 games with Draymond. Meanwhile, the majority of Ant’s minutes he was dishing to CJ Elleby, Trendon Watford, Ben McLemore and Robert Covington.

The one thing that Poole does have over Ant is confidence. He plays like he thinks he’s the best player on the floor. You could see Ant starting to develop that before they shut him down. Once he gets more confidence, I think he’ll take a huge leap.

The basis for my hypothesis is that I’ve seen what Ant can do as the #1 option with FAR inferior talent. I’ve yet to see what Poole can do being the #1 option with the same level of talent Ant played with.
 
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wizenheimer said:
they are a case study in why you don't pay max money to a C unless he's as good as Jokic or Embiid. They owe Gobert 42.5M/year for the next 4 seasons, and even being a DPOY and leading rebounder, that's simply way too much money for an NBA C in the modern NBA
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We desperately need a 4 who can slide to the 5. Simmons and Siakam are the only ones I see who can fit the bill outside of a top 3 pick.
 
Royce O'Neale is a dirty POS. He tried so hard to injure Brunson-- pissed me off. This guy might be my least favorite player in the league.

I still remember when he hurt Ant a few years back and Dame single handedly carried our injured squad on a b2b to a near win until the refs missed that goaltend by Gobert.
 
wizenheimer said:
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Ant is a better 3 pt shooter, yes. But he's not a better playmaker. They are about even in that regard, and that's with Poole not being used as the PG like Simons was. Poole is a better rebounder. I'd also credit Poole as being the better defender by quite a bit, although some of that is because of system and playing with good defenders

and while Ant shoots three's better, Poole is a more efficient shooter and scorer. Mainly because he gets to the FT line at a much higher rate and shoots 68% at the rim while Ant shoots under 57%

they look to be pretty similar in talent level. Big difference is that Poole has proved it for a lot more games than Simons has
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I'd rather have the better 3-point shooter.
 
Cugel said:
KAT at the 4 is intriguing
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He sure as hell is.
I think he should be vying for the scoring title every season.
He is one of the most efficient scorers in the league and maybe the most efficient scorer who can shoot 40% from three and also shoot over just about everybody.
 
wizenheimer said:
they are a case study in why you don't pay max money to a C unless he's as good as Jokic or Embiid. They owe Gobert 42.5M/year for the next 4 seasons, and even being a DPOY and leading rebounder, that's simply way too much money for an NBA C in the modern NBA
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Yeah, they’re screwed. This goes back to last season…

He is damn near worthless in the postseason
 
Predator said:
KAT = LMA but more charmin soft
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Hell no. Not a good comparison at all. Horrible comparison.
KAT doesn't take those stupid long-range 2-pointers.
Towns shot 41% on threes this season , 58% on two-point shots, and 82% on his free throws for a true shooting percentage of 64%.
Aldridge never came close to that.
Dirk Nowitzki never shot a true shooting percentage as 64%. His best was 60.5 percent.
 
AmirIcon said:
We desperately need a 4 who can slide to the 5. Simmons and Siakam are the only ones I see who can fit the bill outside of a top 3 pick.
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which is why it's tempting to want the Blazers to spend their full-MLE on Bobby Portis or Jalen Smith, and both can be better at C than Siakam

I wonder: can Christian Wood play PF and would Houston trade him for a 6th pick? And would he be worth a 6th pick considering he's often injured?
 
wizenheimer said:
which is why it's tempting to want the Blazers to spend their full-MLE on Bobby Portis or Jalen Smith, and both can be better at C than Siakam

I wonder: can Christian Wood play PF and would Houston trade him for a 6th pick? And would he be worth a 6th pick considering he's often injured?
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I think 6 is a significant overpay for wood.
 
wizenheimer said:
which is why it's tempting to want the Blazers to spend their full-MLE on Bobby Portis or Jalen Smith, and both can be better at C than Siakam

I wonder: can Christian Wood play PF and would Houston trade him for a 6th pick? And would he be worth a 6th pick considering he's often injured?
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Wood is considered a negative on defense. If you're trading 6, you find a way to get Ben Simmons or Siakam. The possibilities are there.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
The Warriors wouldn’t.
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That's probably true right now because Poole is a good fit for their team. That said, the undervaluing of Simons by some folks on this board is insane. Ant and Poole are comparable players in a lot of ways except that Ant is a much better 3Pt shooter than Poole (40.5% vs 36.4% this season). But you have to factor in that Poole plays alongside guys like Curry, Thompson and Wiggins, who draw a whole lot more defensive attention than what Simons has been playing with this season. In the 9 games after the McCollum trade, when Ant carried the load of being the prime scorer and was getting doubled like Dame does, he averaged more than 25 PPG and about 5 assists. The guy is just coming into his own and he's going to be a star, IMO.
 
e_blazer said:
That's probably true right now because Poole is a good fit for their team. That said, the undervaluing of Simons by some folks on this board is insane. Ant and Poole are comparable players in a lot of ways except that Ant is a much better 3Pt shooter than Poole (40.5% vs 36.4% this season). But you have to factor in that Poole plays alongside guys like Curry, Thompson and Wiggins, who draw a whole lot more defensive attention than what Simons has been playing with this season. In the 9 games after the McCollum trade, when Ant carried the load of being the prime scorer and was getting doubled like Dame does, he averaged more than 25 PPG and about 5 assists. The guy is just coming into his own and he's going to be a star, IMO.
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Is it undervaluing or wanting to have someone here who can slide in when dame finally enters his post-prime?
 
Strenuus said:
Is it undervaluing or wanting to have someone here who can slide in when dame finally enters his post-prime?
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That's a different question. I'm simply responding to all of this Poole is better than Simons crap.

As far as your question goes, I'd like to see a few games with Dame and Ant as the starting backcourt before forming an opinion. Ant and CJ are not the same player.

Edit: Oops...I answered the question I expected you to be asking, not what you actually wrote. So, are you saying that you don't think Ant can slide into the lead PG role when Dame starts aging?
 
RR7 said:
I think 6 is a significant overpay for wood.
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yeah probably

what would have been better: the 11th pick and all of the TPE for Grant; Or, the 11th and 13.7M of the TPE for Wood still leaving a 7.1M TPE?

Probably 1st option because Blazers need a solid wing in the worst way. Wood is a much better shooter and rebounder though
 
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blazerfan11 said:
Hell no. Not a good comparison at all. Horrible comparison.
KAT doesn't take those stupid long-range 2-pointers.
Towns shot 41% on threes this season , 58% on two-point shots, and 82% on his free throws for a true shooting percentage of 64%.
Aldridge never came close to that.
Dirk Nowitzki never shot a true shooting percentage as 64%. His best was 60.5 percent.
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I didn’t say they play the same way
They’re both big dudes who crumble under pressure
Front runners who disappear
 
e_blazer said:
That's a different question. I'm simply responding to all of this Poole is better than Simons crap.
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I want to make it clear I wasn't saying Poole is better than Simons. I was saying Simons is not better than Poole at this time

Simons is a better 3 point shooter, but Poole is a better overall shooter/scorer because Simons has some CJ-itis in that he doesn't get to the FT line or do well at the rim. Poole does. Simons has a small edge in assist rate while Poole has a slightly better assist/possession mark. Poole is a better rebounder. And from what I've seen he's a better defender although much of that may be system and teammates

they are the same age but Poole has a year left on his rookie deal. I'd imagine both teams are satisfied with their guys and wouldn't trade
 
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