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Fairly-Hard said:
Right now they are playing up the depth. How Memphis played well without Morant.
Well this is the playoffs and Golden State. That was regular season and half the teams tanking including the Blazers.
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Blazers weren’t tanking in December. Pacers and Kings still had playoff hopes too. In Dec, most teams are trying to win.
 
wizenheimer said:
this looks kinda dirty:



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It looks like a light grab, not something that could cause injury IMO. Morant is a leaper, and seems to have "Jumpers Knee" already. If his knee isn't that stable to begin with, or a "trick knee", a slight grab could have ignited the issue. Morant is going to have to change his game of ALWAYS exploding to the hoop if he's going to have a long career.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Blazers weren’t tanking in December. Pacers and Kings still had playoff hopes too. In Dec, most teams are trying to win.
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Okay you win. The Blazers were great in December so that means the Grizzlies should be favored the rest of this series against the Warriors.
I understand now.
 
Luka and a bunch of Shooters that plays defense. That’s what Dame needed.
 
Phoenix is really blowing it. I look at Dallas and just don't see that talented of a team. Doncic didn't even shoot well. Phoenix needs to pull their heads out.
 
tykendo said:
It looks like a light grab, not something that could cause injury IMO. Morant is a leaper, and seems to have "Jumpers Knee" already. If his knee isn't that stable to begin with, or a "trick knee", a slight grab could have ignited the issue. Morant is going to have to change his game of ALWAYS exploding to the hoop if he's going to have a long career.
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If a Grizzlies player grabbed Curry's knee like that, they'd be suspended.
 
CP3 playoff record after leading 2-0…. Yikes
 
How does Danny Green always end up on a contender and always end up having a big role?
 
Nice conversation about the passing at halftime.
I think Shaq is right also. NBA has changed enough that nobody is practicing those types of passes to the centers.
 
it's really beginning to look like those who said the Nets won the Harden trade were very wrong
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Okay you win. The Blazers were great in December so that means the Grizzlies should be favored the rest of this series against the Warriors.
I understand now.
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Where did I say any of this? People asserted the Grizzlies only beat tanking teams during the wins without Morant and that is patently false. Who knows how they'll do in this series?
 
wizenheimer said:
it's really beginning to look like those who said the Nets won the Harden trade were very wrong
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Really? Because of one good game by Harden. Nets got 3 starters (Curry, Drummond, Simmons) and two draft picks, I believe. Even if the Sixers win the championship, I think the Nets won the trade.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Really? Because of one good game by Harden. Nets got 3 starters (Curry, Drummond, Simmons) and two draft picks, I believe. Even if the Sixers win the championship, I think the Nets won the trade.
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lol....how many games did Simmons start for them this year?

Drummond was a starter, but he only played 22 minutes/game. And that dropped to 15 minutes in the playoffs when he average...get this...4 points and 3 rebounds. Drummond's career with the Nets may very well end up being 28 games

for all we know, the best return the Nets get out of that, talent-wise, my be 1.3 years of Curry

as for the draft picks, one will either be a 23rd pick this year or possibly a worse pick next season

and the other 1st won't be till either 2027 or 2028

you can put lipstick on that pig if you want, but you can kiss it, I won't
 
wizenheimer said:
lol....how many games did Simmons start for them this year?

Drummond was a starter, but he only played 22 minutes/game. And that dropped to 15 minutes in the playoffs when he average...get this...4 points and 3 rebounds. Drummond's career with the Nets may very well end up being 28 games

for all we know, the best return the Nets get out of that, talent-wise, my be 1.3 years of Curry

as for the draft picks, one will either be a 23rd pick this year or possibly a worse pick next season

and the other 1st won't be till either 2027 or 2028

you can put lipstick on that pig if you want, but you can kiss it, I won't
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They have Simmons for at least 2 or 3 more years. You can't gauge the trade on how many games he played this season. Simmons is young. Harden is past his prime. Tonight was Harden's first 25+ point game in two months.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Really? Because of one good game by Harden. Nets got 3 starters (Curry, Drummond, Simmons) and two draft picks, I believe. Even if the Sixers win the championship, I think the Nets won the trade.
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If the Sixers win the title this year, then they came out even at worst.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Where did I say any of this? People asserted the Grizzlies only beat tanking teams during the wins without Morant and that is patently false. Who knows how they'll do in this series?
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Maybe you should go back and read your comments over the last 2-3 pages?

As far as "Who knows how they will do in this series?" goes?

I do.

Warriors in 6.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
They have Simmons for at least 2 or 3 more years. You can't gauge the trade on how many games he played this season. Simmons is young. Harden is past his prime. Tonight was Harden's first 25+ point game in two months.
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Simmons was done in Philly. It was not a salvageable relationship in any way. None. He was a giant distraction and dead salary in Philly. They got rid of that while essentially trading Curry and Drummond (a vet minimum player) for James Harden. They won the trade. It's possible that Brooklyn might win it too, but that's not certain at all
 
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wizenheimer said:
Simmons was done in Philly. It was not a salvageable relationship in any way. None. He was a giant distraction and dead salary in Philly. They got rid of that while essentially trading Curry and Drummond (a vet minimum player) for James Harden. They won the trade. It's possible that Brooklyn might win it too, but that's not certain at all
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James Harden is pretty much on the Russell Westbrook path of being ridiculously overpaid for being a shell of his former self.

IF they win a championship, it would be worth it. If they don’t, the trade is a massive L.

Your point that “Simmons relationship wasn’t salvageable” means diddly. They could’ve traded Simmons for pieces NOT named Harden (who aren’t going to get paid $50 mill per year), kept Curry AND got picks.

That’s pretty much like saying if the Nets flipped Simmons, Curry, Drummond and picks to the Lakers for Westbrook that the Nets won the trade because “at least Westbrook played”. Not exactly how it works. I’m not sure how one could argue The Sixers won or even got decent value, UNLESS they win a championship.
 
Predator said:
Your point that “Simmons relationship wasn’t salvageable” means diddly. They could’ve traded Simmons for pieces NOT named Harden (who aren’t going to get paid $50 mill per year), kept Curry AND got picks.
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where is your proof of that?

everything I heard or read about the situation was that just about every team had withdrawn any offers they had made for Simmons because the situation was so toxic in Philly and Simmons' value around the league had cratered because of real concerns about his mental state

and your wild exaggeration has been noted: Harden will have an expiring contract next season and it's 47M
 
wizenheimer said:
where is your proof of that?

everything I heard or read about the situation was that just about every team had withdrawn any offers they had made for Simmons because the situation was so toxic in Philly and Simmons' value around the league had cratered because of real concerns about his mental state

and your wild exaggeration has been noted: Harden will have an expiring contract next season and it's 47M
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3 million difference is a *wild* exaggeration?

And pretty much everyone thinks Harden will be signing a super max extension.

There were numerous reports of offers that had been made to the sixers but Morey “demanded” an all star in return. You can do the research if you truly don’t remember those conversations.
 
Predator said:
3 million difference is a *wild* exaggeration?

And pretty much everyone thinks Harden will be signing a super max extension.

There were numerous reports of offers that had been made to the sixers but Morey “demanded” an all star in return. You can do the research if you truly don’t remember those conversations.
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I'm saying one year at 47M is a lot different than being "paid $50 mill per year"

if Harden signs a super-max extension with Philly then we can revisit that

I know about the reports of all the offers supposedly made for Simmons. Those were mainly during last summer and the first couple months of the season. Following that, there were plenty of reports of the teams who had made offers backing way off of what they offered or completely shutting down any offers at all. Simmons in Philly was definitely a toxic situation and more and more people began to think a lot of the toxicity was on Simmons.

for Philly, Simmons as a player and member of the roster had massive negative value, and it was only getting worse. They were able to bail out of that morass and land Harden for the cost of Curry, a vet minimum C, and a couple of crappy 1st's, one of which is at least 6 drafts away. They had a .593 winning percentage before the trade and a .704 winning percentage after the trade. And they are 2-2 in the conference semi-finals. That's a big win for them
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm saying one year at 47M is a lot different than being "paid $50 mill per year"

if Harden signs a super-max extension with Philly then we can revisit that

I know about the reports of all the offers supposedly made for Simmons. Those were mainly during last summer and the first couple months of the season. Following that, there were plenty of reports of the teams who had made offers backing way off of what they offered or completely shutting down any offers at all. Simmons in Philly was definitely a toxic situation and more and more people began to think a lot of the toxicity was on Simmons.

for Philly, Simmons as a player and member of the roster had massive negative value, and it was only getting worse. They were able to bail out of that morass and land Harden for the cost of Curry, a vet minimum C, and a couple of crappy 1st's, one of which is at least 6 drafts away. They had a .593 winning percentage before the trade and a .704 winning percentage after the trade. And they are 2-2 in the conference semi-finals. That's a big win for them
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Fair enough.

Then guess what? Morey should’ve traded him sooner… like a ton of people on this very forum suggested. Of course Simmons was toxic. It’s also why people said offers were going to start to get worse when it became clear it was a situation that wasn’t going to improve.

Werent they in the conference finals last year?

Also using that *very logic* if we traded Dame for… well, just about anybody half decent, we could’ve made the playoffs. That doesn’t mean trading Dame (since he was sitting out injured therefor being a “negative value”) for let’s say, Tyrese Haliburton would be a “big win”.

In my opinion, for it to be a “win” they need to win a championship.

Otherwise, I think Morey seriously misplayed his hand and should’ve took another deal *earlier*.

Also, the comparison wouldn’t be “what they were like before and after the trade” because I’m not saying they shouldn’t have traded him. Im saying they should’ve traded him for different pieces than James Harden who *I* think would have been more likely to help them win a championship this year (or next year) more than James Harden.

obviously it’s a hypothesis that cannot be proved or proved wrong though.
 
Predator said:
3 million difference is a *wild* exaggeration?

And pretty much everyone thinks Harden will be signing a super max extension.

There were numerous reports of offers that had been made to the sixers but Morey “demanded” an all star in return. You can do the research if you truly don’t remember those conversations.
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It has come out that Harden won’t ask for the supermax and I can’t think of a single team that would pay it for him. $50-60 million per year? Um no.

And you are right, there were several offers for Simmons.
 
Predator said:
Fair enough.

Then guess what? Morey should’ve traded him sooner… like a ton of people on this very forum suggested. Of course Simmons was toxic. It’s also why people said offers were going to start to get worse when it became clear it was a situation that wasn’t going to improve.

Werent they in the conference finals last year?

Also using that *very logic* if we traded Dame for… well, just about anybody half decent, we could’ve made the playoffs. That doesn’t mean trading Dame (since he was sitting out injured therefor being a “negative value”) for let’s say, Tyrese Haliburton would be a “big win”.

In my opinion, for it to be a “win” they need to win a championship.

Otherwise, I think Morey seriously misplayed his hand and should’ve took another deal *earlier*.

Also, the comparison wouldn’t be “what they were like before and after the trade” because I’m not saying they shouldn’t have traded him. Im saying they should’ve traded him for different pieces than James Harden who *I* think would have been more likely to help them win a championship this year (or next year) more than James Harden.

obviously it’s a hypothesis that cannot be proved or proved wrong though.
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Sixers haven’t been to the conference finals since 2001. They lost in second round last year. I agree with you. Trade is only a win if they win the title.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
It has come out that Harden won’t ask for the supermax and I can’t think of a single team that would pay it for him. $50-60 million per year? Um no.

And you are right, there were several offers for Simmons.
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I didn’t see anyone say that James wouldn’t ask for the max. But if that’s true, good for them. I wonder how much of a discount he would accept. Also, it seems the only reason he would do that is for long term security. Really depends on what he’s thinking. 5 years 100 mill? 5 years 150 mill? 5 years 175? 5/200?
 
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