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THE HCP said:
No you do, you brought that quote into it and defended him. Do you see our roster? Did you realize that CJ had never started an NBA game and was coming off an injury?
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Simmer down, big fella. Like I said, all I did was share and link the post. Do you know why I linked it? So you and @KSF-ERIC and anyone else who wanted to opine could follow the link, read the thread, and comment on the context.

However, since you asked (twice):
THE HCP said:
That kinda changes things right? Just a bit?
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THE HCP said:
Cause that kinda puts a different spin on things right?
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When @KSF-ERIC referenced that post of yours in the first place, he made it clear that it was pre-season.

KSF-ERIC said:
Reminds me of you saying we only had 1 starting caliber player on our team in 2015. I tried to tell you CJ was starter level but you wouldn’t listen. Then CJ scored 37 points on opening night.
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So in all reality...no, that puts no different spin on things at all. It played out precisely as @KSF-ERIC said.

Now if you want to argue with someone as to whether or not your opinion was valid to hold at that time--go argue with him, not me. I'm not interested.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah..... I wish the video had audio. We're missing some important information here.... but Poole isn't some innocent victim here. It's not like Draymond walked up and started throwing punches out of the blue.
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OK you've posted several times now what amounts to a superman punch squarely to the face might have been justified by some shit talking and a push. Dray already apologized because he overreacted. Sure if Poole was saying some out of line shit it would give us more context to why Dray overreacted just as badly as he did but it wouldn't change the fact that Dray was way more out of line than any words would have been. I mean some wild slapping punch wouldn't be as big of a deal to me but that was a vicious and accurate punch to the face.
 
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RR7 said:
A post a minute for 7 minutes responding to an obvious troll. I don't get it.
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Just sitting down at the laptop. Dealing with some clients not paying invoices got me a little fired up today FAMS.
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
Simmer down, big fella. Like I said, all I did was share and link the post. Do you know why I linked it? So you and @KSF-ERIC and anyone else who wanted to opine could follow the link, read the thread, and comment on the context.

However, since you asked (twice):



When @KSF-ERIC referenced that post of yours in the first place, he made it clear that it was pre-season.



So in all reality...no, that puts no different spin on things at all. It played out precisely as @KSF-ERIC said.

Now if you want to argue with someone as to whether or not your opinion was valid to hold at that time--go argue with him, not me. I'm not interested.
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Go away, I don’t want to talk to you the rest of the day.
 
illmatic99 said:
LMAO, the video of Draymond attacking Poole gets leaked to TMZ. It's way worse than I expected.

Who leaked it?

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If the guy in the gray is an assistant then he should get his ass penalized also. He didn’t even try to stop it. He’s just standing and watching.
 
blazerkor said:
might have been justified
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I have never once said it was justified. In fact, I have said the exact opposite multiple times.

I'm saying that Poole should share some blame in the escalation of things. This wasn't a sucker punch.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Sucker punch? What? Poole pushed him first. There was no sucker about that. Poole had two choices. Put up or shut up.

He didn't shut up...
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words are one thing...trash-talk is just words...a shove is just a shove. But a 230 lb pound man throwing a hay-maker punch to the face of another person is assault; it's dangerous as hell and if you don't believe that just ask Rudy Tomjanovich
 
wizenheimer said:
words are one thing...trash-talk is just words...a shove is just a shove. But a 230 lb pound man throwing a hay-maker punch to the face of another person is assault; it's dangerous as hell and if you don't believe that just ask Rudy Tomjanovich
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Rudy was sucker punched though. He wasn't even fighting with Kermit. He was walking up and Kermit spun and decked him. It's a completely different situation.

Poole and Draymond were squared up. This was a fight. You don't shove someone and then not protect yourself.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Rudy was sucker punched though. He wasn't even fighting with Kermit. He was walking up and Kermit spun and decked him. It's a completely different situation.

Poole and Draymond were squared up. This was a fight. You don't shove someone and then not protect yourself.
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obviously, the Rudy situation was different, although I think you could make a similar argument to what you're doing for Green in that Rudy shouldn't have ran toward a fight without protecting himself

and they weren't really "squared up". Poole had shoved Green and moved about 5 feet back from where he was before the shove...and his hands were down at his side when Green launched himself and threw the punch. It was a very sudden and violent attack. Yeah, in hindsight, Poole, knowing Green is volatile, should have been more guarded in his stance. But that absolutely does not mitigate what Green did in any fashion. In fact, that Poole was unprepared for what Green did makes it worse
 
wizenheimer said:
obviously, the Rudy situation was different, although I think you could make a similar argument to what you're doing for Green in that Rudy shouldn't have ran toward a fight without protecting himself

and they weren't really "squared up". Poole had shoved Green and moved about 5 feet back from where he was before the shove...and his hands were down at his side when Green launched himself and threw the punch. It was a very sudden and violent attack. Yeah, in hindsight, Poole, knowing Green is volatile, should have been more guarded in his stance. But that absolutely does not mitigate what Green did in any fashion. In fact, that Poole was unprepared for what Green did makes it worse
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Green should not have thrown a punch. I have said it before and I'll say it again. It was a gross overreaction.

However.....

This is a situation where two guys were talking shit, Green got in his face, Poole shoved him, and then Green threw a punch. We don't know what was said. We don't know how long these tensions were building. We don't have context at all. Just a slice of the relationship between these two players.

At any point, either of these guys could have defused the situation all the way up to the punch, but they chose to keep escalating.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Green should not have thrown a punch. I have said it before and I'll say it again. It was a gross overreaction.

However.....

This is a situation where two guys were talking shit, Green got in his face, Poole shoved him, and then Green threw a punch. We don't know what was said. We don't know how long these tensions were building. We don't have context at all. Just a slice of the relationship between these two players.

At any point, either of these guys could have defused the situation all the way up to the punch, but they chose to keep escalating.
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it's probably safe to say both guys were being assholes. That's usually the case and Green being Green has been a thing for more than a decade

in Poole's case, the shove wasn't legally 'self-defense', IMO. But I am pretty sure there are stipulations in the law for 'justifiable reactions'. Green invading Poole's personal space (which is legally recognized to exist) and bumping him would probably give Poole cause for the shove being 'justifiable reaction'. In other words, it very well might be that the law would not consider Poole's shove an escalation. I guess you could argue that's legal hair-splitting but whatever...

Green's punch, and the manner of it, is an escalation that can easily cross the line to felony; assault & battery with the intent to do bodily harm. IIRC that would be considered aggravated battery. I'm not arguing that's what should happen....just that what Green did simply can't be justified as a reaction to trash-talk or a shove.

don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there was a felony here. I'm sure Poole won't press charges. But I am saying that punch was really dangerous and there is no mitigation for it
 
wizenheimer said:
it's probably safe to say both guys were being assholes. That's usually the case and Green being Green has been a thing for more than a decade

in Poole's case, the shove wasn't legally 'self-defense', IMO. But I am pretty sure there are stipulations in the law for 'justifiable reactions'. Green invading Poole's personal space (which is legally recognized to exist) and bumping him would probably give Poole cause for the shove being 'justifiable reaction'. In other words, it very well might be that the law would not consider Poole's shove an escalation. I guess you could argue that's legal hair-splitting but whatever...

Green's punch, and the manner of it, is an escalation that can easily cross the line to felony; assault & battery with the intent to do bodily harm. IIRC that would be considered aggravated battery. I'm not arguing that's what should happen....just that what Green did simply can't be justified as a reaction to trash-talk or a shove.

don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there was a felony here. I'm sure Poole won't press charges. But I am saying that punch was really dangerous and there is no mitigation for it
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Sometimes it doesn't matter if Poole presses charges. If the DA sees this video they can determine that a crime has been committed and press charges.
 
I’m really surprised Green hasn’t been put on his ass yet. I think he chooses who he battles with carefully.
 
MickZagger said:
I’m really surprised Green hasn’t been put on his ass yet. I think he chooses who he battles with carefully.
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I think he is probably one tough SOB. My bet is not many want to tangle with him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Green should not have thrown a punch. I have said it before and I'll say it again. It was a gross overreaction.

However.....

This is a situation where two guys were talking shit, Green got in his face, Poole shoved him, and then Green threw a punch. We don't know what was said. We don't know how long these tensions were building. We don't have context at all. Just a slice of the relationship between these two players.

At any point, either of these guys could have defused the situation all the way up to the punch, but they chose to keep escalating.
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Yeah, I think it was a normal training camp scuffle that Dray escalated way way too far and that's what he's saying. So I don't know what else there is to talk about.
 
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