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TorturedBlazerFan said:
CJ's actually been a better shooter than Booker especially from distance. They both might as well not be on the court playing defense. The one Advantage is Booker is much younger, so he has in theory a higher ceiling to get too. Their both the type of guy who at least in my opinion is either scoring or not much else.
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actually, Booker is averaging nearly 7 assists a game (more than Lillard) and has a 34.1% assist rate compared to CJ's 11.4%. He also has a much higher turnover rate, 16.0% vs 8.3%. But at least he's shown himself to be a willing passer, even if he hasn't mastered passing efficiency

CJ is a little better as a pure shooter, but their TS% is nearly identical because Booker gets to the FT line while CJ doesn't.

at this stage, they are both chuckers, but Booker is five years younger and showing signs of being a playmaker for teammates. On the other hand, he'll be starting a 5 year contract next season paying him nearly 32M a year. He'll have to continue to improve or that deal could end up an albatross

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Denver has some serious injury issues, but they had them last year too. They may be more fragile than Portland

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am I the only tickled by Houston struggling? They have really collapsed so far this year. I still remember their fans when the Blazers beat them in the playoffs 5 years ago. Damn they were arrogant. This season is some choice rough justice
 
wizenheimer said:
actually, Booker is averaging nearly 7 assists a game (more than Lillard) and has a 34.1% assist rate compared to CJ's 11.4%. He also has a much higher turnover rate, 16.0% vs 8.3%. But at least he's shown himself to be a willing passer, even if he hasn't mastered passing efficiency

CJ is a little better as a pure shooter, but their TS% is nearly identical because Booker gets to the FT line while CJ doesn't.

at this stage, they are both chuckers, but Booker is five years younger and showing signs of being a playmaker for teammates. On the other hand, he'll be starting a 5 year contract next season paying him nearly 32M a year. He'll have to continue to improve or that deal could end up an albatross

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Denver has some serious injury issues, but they had them last year too. They may be more fragile than Portland

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am I the only tickled by Houston struggling? They have really collapsed so far this year. I still remember their fans when the Blazers beat them in the playoffs 5 years ago. Damn they were arrogant. This season is some choice rough justice
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No. I’m LOVING Houston in 14th place. Hopefully we can beat them on Tuesday. How the mighty have fallen. I need to spend some time at clutchfans. That said, the way the West is, they could still rise to 1 seed again with a win streak.
 
John Collins 30 pts 12 rbs 3-6 from 3 to beat the nuggets

Dude is a stud. We picked the wrong Collins
 
BigGameDamian said:
Wish we could flip CJ for Middleton.
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Its probably very possible, the Bucks seem to have some beef going on with him and Bud recently. Sat him an entire fourth quarter and Middleton sat out the next game with no explained reason...

Only problem is he’s a free agent at the end of this year and unless we got to the WCF he’d likely leave for free at the end of the year leaving us much worse than we were before.
 
Man, how do you lose by 56 at home to ANYBODY? That takes... "talent".
 
KingSpeed said:
No. I’m LOVING Houston in 14th place. Hopefully we can beat them on Tuesday. How the mighty have fallen. I need to spend some time at clutchfans. That said, the way the West is, they could still rise to 1 seed again with a win streak.
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Still only 6 games out of first. The West is pretty tight. A couple wins puts them back in the playoffs.
 
Of all the guards on the team who is the best defensively or has the potential to be the best?
Id have to say Turner.
kjironman1 said:
Still only 6 games out of first. The West is pretty tight. A couple wins puts them back in the playoffs.
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just like OKC that started poorly.
 
DollaBel said:
Its probably very possible, the Bucks seem to have some beef going on with him and Bud recently. Sat him an entire fourth quarter and Middleton sat out the next game with no explained reason...

Only problem is he’s a free agent at the end of this year and unless we got to the WCF he’d likely leave for free at the end of the year leaving us much worse than we were before.
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DollaBel said:
Its probably very possible, the Bucks seem to have some beef going on with him and Bud recently. Sat him an entire fourth quarter and Middleton sat out the next game with no explained reason...

Only problem is he’s a free agent at the end of this year and unless we got to the WCF he’d likely leave for free at the end of the year leaving us much worse than we were before.
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Yeh, Middleton would love it here; you never get sat down here for not playing defense!
 
Jalen Brunson! The Mavs' draft looking better and better.

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James lamphear said:
We got the defense Collins and they got the offensive Collins. On our team we got the right Collins that plays defense.
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well, in terms of DRPM rankings for nba PF's:

4th - Noah Vonleh 2.65
9th - Ed Davis 2.07 .....(we know he's not really a PF)
14th - Al-Farouq Aminu 1.68
51st - Zach Collins 0.75
79th - John Collins -0.11

also, an overall comparison:
http://bkref.com/tiny/dJ3CJ

Olshey got rid of 2 bigs who were better at defense than Collins. I don't think defense has ever been an Olshey priority. Vonleh has been outperforming both of the Collins

at this point, it looks like John Collins has a bigger advantage on offense than Zach does on defense and is essentially the same age. That 'snapshot-in-time' could look different at the end of this season, but I doubt either player has an 'upside' advantage at this point considering their ages.
 
wizenheimer said:
well, in terms of DRPM rankings for nba PF's:

4th - Noah Vonleh 2.65
9th - Ed Davis 2.07 .....(we know he's not really a PF)
14th - Al-Farouq Aminu 1.68
51st - Zach Collins 0.75
79th - John Collins -0.11

also, an overall comparison:
http://bkref.com/tiny/dJ3CJ

Olshey got rid of 2 bigs who were better at defense than Collins. I don't think defense has ever been an Olshey priority. Vonleh has been outperforming both of the Collins

at this point, it looks like John Collins has a bigger advantage on offense than Zach does on defense and is essentially the same age. That 'snapshot-in-time' could look different at the end of this season, but I doubt either player has an 'upside' advantage at this point considering their ages.
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Zach been in the league 2 years and the other 2 ex Blazers been in the league a lot longer. I am not saying I don't like the other 2 ex and I thought Vonleh got the shaft from Stotts. Davis was good too. But Zach in the long run probably will be has good or better. Now offense John Collins gets plays run for him and Zach doesn't. Plus do you think John Collins would be the same player that he is today if he played for us I don't.a Anyway here there defense ratings:

Davis 102
Zach. 103
John C 106
Vonleh 108
 
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James lamphear said:
But Zach in the long run probably will be as good or better.
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But not this year. It was way too early to let Ed Davis go. We are losing games because of Collins replacing Davis so poorly. Olshey fell in love with his own draft pick as usual.
 
jlprk said:
But not this year. It was way too early to let Ed Davis go. We are losing games because of Collins replacing Davis so poorly. Olshey fell in love with his own draft pick as usual.
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Zach not the reason while we have play poorly. Yes Davis might be better rebounder right now but offensely Zach has been better and his just little below Davis on defense but not much. There whole a lot reason that we wasn't winning and if you if you believe if we had Davis still and the outcome would be different I would say no.
 
James lamphear said:
Zach not the reason while we have play poorly. Yes Davis might be better rebounder right now but offensely Zach has been better and his just little below Davis on defense but not much. There whole a lot reason that we wasn't winning and if you if you believe if we had Davis still and the outcome would be different I would say no.
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Every time Collins makes a rookie foul, or has to sit because of fouls, or the opposing coach has his scorers drive on Collins because of his inexperience--and all happen throughout every game--having Davis as an option would have made a difference. Olshey was way too trigger-happy to get rid of Davis so early in Collins' career.
 
jlprk said:
Every time Collins makes a rookie foul, or has to sit because of fouls, or the opposing coach has his scorers drive on Collins because of his inexperience--and all happen throughout every game--having Davis as an option would have made a difference. Olshey was way too trigger-happy to get rid of Davis so early in Collins' career.
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That your opinion but also Zach block shots and alternate shots too. The only thing I seen Davis actually do better than Zach is the rebounding. Zach score more and he blocked more shots better FT shooter there fg pretty close there defense ratings are close. Yes Zach does foul more. Blazers are 15-11 and the Nets 10-18. I know you like Davis and I like Davis too. Your might be right they should have sign him another year. But the way be been playing except the last 2 games I believe our record would probably be the same.
 
Fez Von Savage said:
Rumor:

To Lakers:
Ariza

To Suns:
KCP
1st Rounder
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Phoenix really in it to help the Lakers this year. Oh you need some defense lets give you Tyson Chandler. Oh would you like a decent 3 and d guy for your terribly underperforming heres a ariza for you for your mid tonlate 1st rounder..
 
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