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One way to look at LeBron vs Curry is team fit. Can you come up with a single team that Curry wouldn't be a perfect fit on? On the other hand, LeBron's teams and teammates have really struggled to integrate him/them. He's such a unique player, he might be one of the most difficult ever to build around.
 
handiman said:
One way to look at LeBron vs Curry is team fit. Can you come up with a single team that Curry wouldn't be a perfect fit on? On the other hand, LeBron's teams and teammates have really struggled to integrate him/them. He's such a unique player, he might be one of the most difficult ever to build around.
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Man.... how can a guy who can legitimately play four positions and play them well, difficult to build around? That just makes no sense. The Heat nearly won three titles with him. The Cavs ALMOST won last year without Love or Irving. I think LeBron is an amazing player, and if I had a choice, I'd take LeBron over Curry.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Man.... how can a guy who can legitimately play four positions and play them well, difficult to build around? That just makes no sense. The Heat nearly won three titles with him. The Cavs ALMOST won last year without Love or Irving. I think LeBron is an amazing player, and if I had a choice, I'd take LeBron over Curry.
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Right? LeBron's teams have been to the last 5 NBA Finals. That's incredible.
 
KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
Jesus Christ. Jordan averaged 30/8/8 and 3 steals on 54% shooting one year. He also averaged 37/5/5 and 3 steals another year. And he did it 3 guys on him a lot of the time. If you think Curry is better than Jordan then you didn't watch Jordan play. In 1991 Finals, Jordan averaged 30 ppg and 11 apg on 55% shooting, get back to me when Curry does that. Jordan was the most unstoppable player I've seen in the 27 years I've watched the NBA. Shaq was close. Curry hasn't even won Finals MVP.
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I didn't say Curry is better than Jordan. I just said he's having a more epic regular season. Yes he'd have to string together more of these and finish them with titles to get close to Jordan.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Man.... how can a guy who can legitimately play four positions and play them well, difficult to build around? That just makes no sense. The Heat nearly won three titles with him. The Cavs ALMOST won last year without Love or Irving. I think LeBron is an amazing player, and if I had a choice, I'd take LeBron over Curry.
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Bosh never looked great playing with LeBron. Love often struggles. Wade had trouble the first season they were together.

I was always a strong LeBron supporter but its interesting now this year hearing all the bitching from that team. LeBron basically had his pick of personnel and trades. We've heard him repeatedly blast his teammates and complain about effort or them not taking something seriously or having bad habits.

Compare that to Dame; he doesn't ever complain about his teammates in public, there is never an issue with effort and they all enjoy playing with him. I still think LeBron is one of the top5 players ever but I'm starting to question more of his greatness than a few years ago.
 
BBert said:
Curry is the greatest shooter I've ever seen in the three point era. That doesn't make him the best player in history, not by a long shot. I don't know why this isn't obvious on its face.
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Curry is amazing..the world knows that but I'd bet Oscar would've schooled him in the days before the 3pt shot and with handchecking allowed. The game has changed and the greatest perimeter defenders like Payton and Bowen would've given Curry some trouble. When Oscar got fouled, it hurt...you can't knock a guy on his ass these days and shake him up. It's like talking about American Football vs Rugby...they're related but really different games
 
riverman said:
Curry is amazing..the world knows that but I'd bet Oscar would've schooled him in the days before the 3pt shot and with handchecking allowed.
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Well sure, because like you say it was practically a different sport back then. Of course, it works the other way too: Barkley would have been the best player in the league in any era before the 3 point line and Shaq would have averaged 100 points a game before 3 in the key.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Well sure, because like you say it was practically a different sport back then. Of course, it works the other way too: Barkley would have been the best player in the league in any era before the 3 point line and Shaq would have averaged 100 points a game before 3 in the key.
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exactly which is why it's a moot point but with players talkin' about it...they have valid points..and by no means should it tarnish what the Warriors are doing in the modern era..it's never been done like this before....small ball? Now everybody plays small ball except Memphis
 
Heat just waived Beno Udrih...that guy has killed us when he was with the Grizz...they needed the spot to pick up Joe Johnson I guess.
 
Draco said:
Bosh never looked great playing with LeBron. Love often struggles. Wade had trouble the first season they were together.

I was always a strong LeBron supporter but its interesting now this year hearing all the bitching from that team. LeBron basically had his pick of personnel and trades. We've heard him repeatedly blast his teammates and complain about effort or them not taking something seriously or having bad habits.

Compare that to Dame; he doesn't ever complain about his teammates in public, there is never an issue with effort and they all enjoy playing with him. I still think LeBron is one of the top5 players ever but I'm starting to question more of his greatness than a few years ago.
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There are only 24 seconds for everyone to get a touch. To expect three alpha stars to get enough chances to create is asking a lot. Someone is going to have to settle for less. It doesn't make a Bosh or Love lesser players, it just makes their #3 option ridiculously good.
 
Denny Crane said:
There are only 24 seconds for everyone to get a touch. To expect three alpha stars to get enough chances to create is asking a lot. Someone is going to have to settle for less. It doesn't make a Bosh or Love lesser players, it just makes their #3 option ridiculously good.
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Magic and Bird didn't have those issues; they made everyone better and more effective.
 
Denny Crane said:
There are only 24 seconds for everyone to get a touch. To expect three alpha stars to get enough chances to create is asking a lot. Someone is going to have to settle for less. It doesn't make a Bosh or Love lesser players, it just makes their #3 option ridiculously good.
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The problem goes deeper than that. LeBron, as great of a passer he is, is the prototypical ISO player that we always compared Roy's shortcomings to. The only complimentary offensive player to that is a spot up shooter, which basically eliminates all the star pairings that LeBron obviously craves based on his choice of teams.
 
Udrih is the fucker who cost Sergio his job after the evil duo of McMillan and Pritchard dumped him.
 
Draco said:
Magic and Bird didn't have those issues; they made everyone better and more effective.
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Sure, but Kareem's FGA went from ~18 to ~15. They unloaded Norm Nixon to free up more attempts for the rest. They replaced a higher volume shooter, Jamal Wilkes with the more efficient Worthy. And they played low usage Kurt Rambis.

And Magic was pretty special himself. He clearly made his teammates better and could have scored 22-30 PPG if he didn't sacrifice his opportunities for his teammates. Like Love does and Bosh did.

Maybe a better example is Ron Harper. The season before joining the Bulls, he was #1 option and a 20+PPG scorer. Then he became an elite defender and ~6 PPG scorer. The Bulls got him to produce in Jordan's retirement.
 
handiman said:
The problem goes deeper than that. LeBron, as great of a passer he is, is the prototypical ISO player that we always compared Roy's shortcomings to. The only complimentary offensive player to that is a spot up shooter, which basically eliminates all the star pairings that LeBron obviously craves based on his choice of teams.
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First season with the Heat, he averaged 26.7/7.5/7, Wade 25.5/6.4/4.6, and Bosh 18.7/8.3/1.9 (on just 13 FGA). Wade and Bosh are hardly spot up shooters, IMO.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Whats up with the Jazz?
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On the road against the Celtics, a team who has won 18 of their last 22 games (now 19 of 23)?

That is like saying what is wrong with the Jazz if they lose to us tomorrow at the Rose Garden (Moda Center).

But if you want a truthful answer, they are still missing Burks and I think he is a big piece for them even if he comes off the bench. Oh and they need a real PG on their team (Exum is another guy out of course).
 
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