Around the NBA - March 2017

[SheedSoNasty]

Jahlil Okafor.

That was pathetic. Harden-esque

 

[HolyBackboard]

You can tell he wants no part of Philly. I still think he'll be a nice big with a change of scenery.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Maybe his hands are just super-heavy.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hey @dviss1 this is your big chance.

 

[dviss1]

Hey @dviss1 this is your big chance.

If I can't call traveling and have to reward flopping....

 

[Troy.Ave]

Damn why is Denver good? That's crazy who would have thought before the season started the Denver Nuggets would be better than us

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Is this the best/most talented NBA team Lebron has ever played with?

I think 2012/13 Heat were pretty filthy too. A lot better defensively.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Jahlil Okafor.

Holy shit, other than in an all star game or from a star player with 5 fouls, that may be the worst effort I have ever seen from a center on a smaller guard around the basket. Twice in the same possession! And that was in the first quarter before the game was out of reach.

I can see now why there were not a lot of offers for him. Thank god Denver came through with the better offer.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Holy shit, other than in an all star game or from a star player with 5 fouls, that may be the worst effort I have ever seen from a center on a smaller guard around the basket. Twice in the same possession! And that was in the first quarter before the game was out of reach.

I can see now why there were not a lot of offers for him. Thank god Denver came through with the better offer.

With Embiid out for the season and Noel traded, the starting center job in PHI is Okafor's by default - and it shows. No effort required, none exerted.

BNM

 

[Sarni]

Damn why is Denver good? That's crazy who would have thought before the season started the Denver Nuggets would be better than us

Because they have a balanced roster. None of their players, Jokic aside, are great but nearly all of them are decent/good. That's much better than having two very good players and a bunch of very average ones.

 

[trailblazer18]

Jahlil Okafor.

That was laugh out loud awesome!

 

[Pinwheel1]

With Embiid out for the season and Noel traded, the starting center job in PHI is Okafor's by default - and it shows. No effort required, none exerted.

BNM

No other center and he still only played 22 minutes. (3-11, 7 boards and 5 turnovers, 2 fouls)

 

[Boob-No-More]

That was laugh out loud awesome!

Unless Embiid can get, and stay, healthy, they may regret trading Noel instead of Okafor. I'm not a big fan of +/- stats (too many variables), but if the sample size is big enough, they start to become meaningful. For the season, PHI is +4.2 points/48 when Embiid is on the floor. When Okafor is on the court, they are -15 points/48. That's nearly a 20 point per game swing between those two players who play the same position.

BNM

 

[Pinwheel1]

Unless Embiid can get, and stay, healthy, they may regret trading Noel instead of Okafor. I'm not a big fan of +/- stats (too many variables), but if the sample size is big enough, they start to become meaningful. For the season, PHI is +4.2 points/48 when Embiid is on the floor. When Okafor is on the court, they are -15 points/48. That's nearly a 20 point per game swing between those two players who play the same position.

BNM

Yeah at least Noel brings energy. I admit I wanted Okafor over Noel for us because I thought it was important for us to get a wide body. (More of an enforcer) Thankfully we got a wide body who has energy instead. (At least so far)

 

[BBert]

Unless Embiid can get, and stay, healthy, they may regret trading Noel instead of Okafor. I'm not a big fan of +/- stats (too many variables), but if the sample size is big enough, they start to become meaningful. For the season, PHI is +4.2 points/48 when Embiid is on the floor. When Okafor is on the court, they are -15 points/48. That's nearly a 20 point per game swing between those two players who play the same position.

BNM

PHI management are perennial idiots.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Yogi Ferrell:

vs. Blazers: 9-11 = 82.%
vs. Everyone else in 16-17: 17-53 = 32.1%

:sigh

 

[Troy.Ave]

Yogi Ferrell:

vs. Blazers: 9-11 = 82.%
vs. Everyone else in 16-17: 17-53 = 32.1%

:sigh

Again when he plays us look whose guarding him. I'll give you a clue his initials are DL

There's a reason why our starting PG is by far the worst starting defender in the whole league

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Again when he plays us look whose guarding him. I'll give you a clue his initials are DL

There's a reason why our starting PG is by far the worst starting defender in the whole league

2nd worst. Isaiah Thomas is pretty well understood to be the worst defensive player in the league.

 

[Strenuus]

Again when he plays us look whose guarding him. I'll give you a clue his initials are DL

There's a reason why our starting PG is by far the worst starting defender in the whole league

2nd worst. Isaiah Thomas is pretty well understood to be the worst defensive player in the league.

Damnit, Tunchi! You gotta fact check, bruh!

 

[Troy.Ave]

2nd worst. Isaiah Thomas is pretty well understood to be the worst defensive player in the league.

True that's fair

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yogi Ferrell:

vs. Blazers: 9-11 = 82.%
vs. Everyone else in 16-17: 17-53 = 32.1%

:sigh

Seems a little embellished since he was 4-9 the last time he played us.

 

[Sarni]

Unless Embiid can get, and stay, healthy, they may regret trading Noel instead of Okafor. I'm not a big fan of +/- stats (too many variables), but if the sample size is big enough, they start to become meaningful. For the season, PHI is +4.2 points/48 when Embiid is on the floor. When Okafor is on the court, they are -15 points/48. That's nearly a 20 point per game swing between those two players who play the same position.

BNM

On one hand I was going to say maybe Okafor's value was low but the remembered they got Justin Anderson plus a top-18 protected Dallas pick which is not much at all. Is this true that the protection on that Dallas pick says that if it is top 18 this year, Phila get 2017 and 2018 secound rounders? That is horrible value if true.

 

[Boob-No-More]

On one hand I was going to say maybe Okafor's value was low but the remembered they got Justin Anderson plus a top-18 protected Dallas pick which is not much at all. Is this true that the protection on that Dallas pick says that if it is top 18 this year, Phila get 2017 and 2018 secound rounders? That is horrible value if true.

Yes, that's correct (according to Zach Lowe). So, they basically traded Nerlens Noel for two 2nd round picks.

BNM

 

[theprunetang]

Yes, that's correct (according to Zach Lowe). So, they basically traded Nerlens Noel for two 2nd round picks.

BNM

Trust the process...........................

 

[Mediocre Man]

Trust the process...........................

Don't confuse the process with the poor draft picks. Hinke got fired, so the Noel trade is not part of that process.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Don't confuse the process with the poor draft picks. Hinke got fired, so the Noel trade is not part of that process.

If anything, Bryan Colangelo is proving even more incompetent than Sam Hinkie. He completely devalued both Noel and Okafor by shopping them starting in June. Then he basically kept Noel off the court for nearly the first two months of the season as punishment for calling the situation "silly", further decreasing his value. Now, instead of having a logjam three deep at center, they have a disgruntled, unmotivated Jahlil Okafor.

He completely mishandled the situation and even though he wasn't the one who drafted Okafor, he overvalued him as he was still treating him like he was worth a high lottery pick simply because that's where he'd been drafted. The bizarre thing is, that if ANY of the rumors were true, he turned down more for Okafor than what he got for Noel. I know Noel is an expiring, but they held his Bird Rights and were so far under the salary floor, they could have easily re-signed him. And, he's the better player.

BNM

 

[riverman]

If anything, Bryan Colangelo is proving even more incompetent than Sam Hinkie. He completely devalued both Noel and Okafor by shopping them starting in June. Then he basically kept Noel off the court for nearly the first two months of the season as punishment for calling the situation "silly", further decreasing his value. Now, instead of having a logjam three deep at center, they have a disgruntled, unmotivated Jahlil Okafor.

He completely mishandled the situation and even though he wasn't the one who drafted Okafor, he overvalued him as he was still treating him like he was worth a high lottery pick simply because that's where he'd been drafted. The bizarre thing is, that if ANY of the rumors were true, he turned down more for Okafor than what he got for Noel. I know Noel is an expiring, but they held his Bird Rights and were so far under the salary floor, they could have easily re-signed him. And, he's the better player.

BNM

The only sense I can make out of them moving Noel instead of Okafor is health...they may not trust his knees...he's been really injury prone

 

[Pinwheel1]

Don't confuse the process with the poor draft picks. Hinke got fired, so the Noel trade is not part of that process.

Yeah but the picks were not bad, The drafts were. The consensus pick at 2 or 3 that year was Okafor or Russell. And the Noel lottery was terrible. Sure you can always find better players from Europe that are not scouted properly like Porzingis or the Greek Freak, but to me the process has some flaws, and the biggest is not all drafts are strong.

 

[handiman]

2nd worst. Isaiah Thomas is pretty well understood to be the worst defensive player in the league.

Zeke2 has actually gotten some props for his defensive effort this year.

 

[Trackjack]

The only sense I can make out of them moving Noel instead of Okafor is health...they may not trust his knees...he's been really injury prone

So have all there center has injury prone.