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UKRAINEFAN said:
Jokic and Plumlee had 17 assists between them; experiment of starting them together seems to be working.
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Jokic can stretch the floor which helps. It would never work if Jokic could not shoot from pretty much everywhere. He's quite amazing.
 
tester551 said:
I actually like the idea of regulation. Utilize the D-League and drop the worst 4 teams each year into D-League & let the best 4 teams in D-League play in the NBA the following year. This would only work if everyone had a true D-League affiliate. Some organizations would figure out how to run 2 teams effectively. One would be upper tier and one would be mid tier. Other organizations would likely effectively have 2 d-league teams.
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I think you're mixing regulation and relegation
 
Anyone else bummed that Denver won last night? Making the playoffs may be harder than I thought.
 
KingSpeed said:
Anyone else bummed that Denver won last night? Making the playoffs may be harder than I thought.
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Nothing worth doing ever came easy.

Think positively: if both Portland and Denver can pass Memphis in the standings, that can improve our pick from them. Of course, they're messing up that plan by winning, but we can still hope!
 
KingSpeed said:
Anyone else bummed that Denver won last night? Making the playoffs may be harder than I thought.
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I'd hoped that they would lose, but playing at home against a Clippers squad without Griffin or Jordan it's not exactly surprising.

The Nuggets are two games up on the Blazers and the two teams' relative strengths of schedule strongly favors the Blazers catching them. The Nuggets have 14 games remaining on their schedule, 5 at home and 9 on the road. The Nuggets still have a 5 game road trip on their schedule. They play 8 teams with records over .500 and 5 of those are away games for the Nuggets. The Blazers have 15 games remaining, but 10 of them are at home and only 5 are away. The Blazers only have 5 games remaining against teams with winning records. There is one head-to-head game between the Blazers and Nuggets and it will be played in Portland. For those of us hoping for playoffs, the picture is pretty rosy. For those of you rooting for losses and a lottery appearance...not so much.
 
e_blazer said:
I'd hoped that they would lose, but playing at home against a Clippers squad without Griffin or Jordan it's not exactly surprising.

The Nuggets are two games up on the Blazers and the two teams' relative strengths of schedule strongly favors the Blazers catching them. The Nuggets have 14 games remaining on their schedule, 5 at home and 9 on the road. The Nuggets still have a 5 game road trip on their schedule. They play 8 teams with records over .500 and 5 of those are away games for the Nuggets. The Blazers have 15 games remaining, but 10 of them are at home and only 5 are away. The Blazers only have 5 games remaining against teams with winning records. There is one head-to-head game between the Blazers and Nuggets and it will be played in Portland. For those of us hoping for playoffs, the picture is pretty rosy. For those of you rooting for losses and a lottery appearance...not so much.
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Ok that makes me feel better. It's just that Denver is playing so well. Maybe they'll win those games.
 
KingSpeed said:
Ok that makes me feel better. It's just that Denver is playing so well. Maybe they'll win those games.
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Yeah, that could happen. If they do finish that strong, they'll deserve the last playoff spot.
 
tester551 said:
I actually like the idea of regulation. Utilize the D-League and drop the worst 4 teams each year into D-League & let the best 4 teams in D-League play in the NBA the following year. This would only work if everyone had a true D-League affiliate. Some organizations would figure out how to run 2 teams effectively. One would be upper tier and one would be mid tier. Other organizations would likely effectively have 2 d-league teams.
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Are you also proposing the NBA and D-League teams swap cities and arenas? Seems like this would royally fuck with season ticket sales, either way. Also, what about the owners and front office personnel, and other non-player personnel. Do they also get demoted/promoted? If so, who plays for their relocation? What if they have kids and a home and don't want to relocate?

I really don't see how this could possibly work on a practical level.

BNM
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Nothing worth doing ever came easy.

Think positively: if both Portland and Denver can pass Memphis in the standings, that can improve our pick from them. Of course, they're messing up that plan by winning, but we can still hope!
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Every once in a while someone says something so perfect that I really have to grit my teeth and resist the temptation.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Every once in a while someone says something so perfect that I really have to grit my teeth and resist the temptation.
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Grizz pick is only top 5 protected. No real way they get bumped into the lottery unless GAsol/Conley both get injured but its a dream.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Every once in a while someone says something so perfect that I really have to grit my teeth and resist the temptation.
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You know, I didn't read it that way, but I think the statement still applies even in that context.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Are you also proposing the NBA and D-League teams swap cities and arenas? Seems like this would royally fuck with season ticket sales, either way. Also, what about the owners and front office personnel, and other non-player personnel. Do they also get demoted/promoted? If so, who plays for their relocation? What if they have kids and a home and don't want to relocate?

I really don't see how this could possibly work on a practical level.

BNM
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If the OP is modeling the idea on the European football system, then there's no relocation. (Were you reading "relegation" as "relocation"?) Unless you're pointing to the fact that D(soon-to-be "G")-League arenas are too old and tiny to make money in the NBA, and thus suggesting that the NBA team should get the NBA arena. Arenas are indeed the main problem. It's a shame, though, because relegation battles are great for
(a) combating tanking (it would therefore remove the need for a lottery)
(b) making the end of the season as exciting for shitty teams as it is for good teams.

And hey, it works in the EPL, which makes a shit ton more money that the "Championship".

And this would be a way to get megarich assholes to buy D/G-League teams with the intention of losing a ton of money up front with the plan of getting promotion and making the money back.
 
The best way to combat tanking?

Flip winning and losing after the all-star break. Having wins count like losses and losses count like wins. (In terms of the lottery, that's it).
 
BonesJones said:
The best way to combat tanking?

Flip winning and losing after the all-star break. Having wins count like losses and losses count like wins. (In terms of the lottery, that's it).
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So that Golden State could rack up wins over the first 55 games, coast through to the end of the season, still make the playoffs, and then add a top-5 pick in the offseason? No thank you.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If the OP is modeling the idea on the European football system, then there's no relocation. (Were you reading "relegation" as "relocation"?) Unless you're pointing to the fact that D(soon-to-be "G")-League arenas are too old and tiny to make money in the NBA, and thus suggesting that the NBA team should get the NBA arena. Arenas are indeed the main problem. It's a shame, though, because relegation battles are great for
(a) combating tanking (it would therefore remove the need for a lottery)
(b) making the end of the season as exciting for shitty teams as it is for good teams.

And hey, it works in the EPL, which makes a shit ton more money that the "Championship".

And this would be a way to get megarich assholes to buy D/G-League teams with the intention of losing a ton of money up front with the plan of getting promotion and making the money back.
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Yeah, I don't see how it could work with, or without, relocation. How do you suddenly add NBA teams in Boise and Ft. Wayne when they don't have adequate arenas to host NBA teams? What happens to corporate sponsorship when a team gets demoted to the minor leagues? What about season ticket sales. How do you not end up the target of a class action suit when you sell season tickets to an NBA team and then that team gets demoted to the minors. It just seems like there are way too many logistical and financial reasons for this to ever be feasible.

BNM
 
Fun pod to end the work week. Just a different perspective listening to a really rich dude talk about owning a team. Must listen if you're an NBA junkie. This dude has so much energy

 
Just checked nugs schedule again. Even their next opponent (HOU) is on 2nd of b2b. Is this a joke? Three straight home games against tired teams. Wtf is this
 
yuyuza1 said:
Just checked nugs schedule again. Even their next opponent (HOU) is on 2nd of b2b. Is this a joke? Three straight home games against tired teams. Wtf is this
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Pelicans don't have Cousins so the Rockets should be able to make easy work of them without too much effort. Obviously that can't beat a day of rest, but I'm not too worried about it.

It sucks that they are on the road though. I remember hearing the Czar talk about how Portland and Denver were two of the toughest places to get wins on the road. Said they felt like whenever they were in Portland you were on the 2nd night of a b2b after a long road trip and you were pretty fatigued at that point, plus it wasn't like your opponent was easy either. Credited the altitude in Denver.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Just checked nugs schedule again. Even their next opponent (HOU) is on 2nd of b2b. Is this a joke? Three straight home games against tired teams. Wtf is this
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Nuggets always get a decent amount of games at home on the 2nd night of a back to back for their opponent. Just like the fact we are always top 5 in miles traveled where you play has a huge part of your schedule and the Nuggets get this nice little advantage every year.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yeah, I don't see how it could work with, or without, relocation. How do you suddenly add NBA teams in Boise and Ft. Wayne when they don't have adequate arenas to host NBA teams? What happens to corporate sponsorship when a team gets demoted to the minor leagues? What about season ticket sales. How do you not end up the target of a class action suit when you sell season tickets to an NBA team and then that team gets demoted to the minors. It just seems like there are way too many logistical and financial reasons for this to ever be feasible.

BNM
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All of these questions have been answered by Premiership and Championship teams in England. It's glorious to see a team like Bournemouth make the top flight.
"Class action lawsuit"? Puh-lease. I know this is a litigious society but that's pathetic.

Differences: it's practically unheard-of for a really BIG club to go down. I don't think Man U, Arsenal or Chelsea have ever left the Premiership (since it became so named in the 90s with the big influx of TV money). That's largely because you can essentially buy all the talent you want and there's no draft. That's the real difference. Who would get to draft players? Would D-League teams be allowed draft picks? Nike would not be very happy to have LeBron James assigned to Fort Wayne and be playing shitty teams in shitty arenas in shitty towns.

HOWEVER: on the other hand... wouldn't that be kind of awesome?
 
Re: Draft picks: here's an idea.

First it would require scrapping the D-League-as-NBA-minor-league scheme that has just really kicked in (which is why it's not going to happen, but bear with me). This wouldn't prevent NBA teams sending players "on loan" to D-League teams - because that happens in the Euro leagues.

Second, enlarge the NBA by 4 teams to begin with. They can be new franchises in places like Seattle if need be. Include them in the draft just as they did in the first years of expansion franchises like Vancouver, Toronto et al.

Third, as with Euro football: have the bottom team of the NBA automatically demoted and the top team of the D-League automatically promoted. This means that the promoted team gets treated as an "expansion" team in that year's draft, while the Demoted team doesn't get a pick (except in the D-league draft)

(Maybe allow the D-League to draft players too young for the NBA - those like Mudiay who now go abroad instead of going to college. The NCAA would fight this, of course, but fuck 'em.)

Fourth (the best bit) the next three lowest enter a tournament with the next 3 highest D-League teams in a playoffs. That tournament could precede the NBA playoffs, which would also give NBA teams time to rest up after the season and prepare for the playoffs.

Come on Silver, have some balls!

(Another side effect is that sometimes demoted teams unload expensive players, so there'd be more player movement.)
 
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