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Cugel said:
The Warriors believe in the idea you can pass a ball faster from point A to B than you could by dribbling, and if you do this habitually, you will win.
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I (kinda) rememeber a story from either Jack Ramsay, Ralph Miller or John Wooden...a player was upset that the coach kept having them do passing drills and that they should just dribble/run more he said to the player "I'll have one ball, you'll have another. If you can beat the ball down the court with dribbling, we'll do it your way"

The player said yes, and they ran a drill. The player started off fast dribbling down the court, and the coach made a bullet pass to the other end of the court, before the player even made it to half court.
 
Cugel said:
The Warriors believe in the idea you can pass a ball faster from point A to B than you could by dribbling, and if you do this habitually, you will win.
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I (kinda) remember a story from either Jack Ramsay, Ralph Miller or John Wooden...a player was upset that the coach kept having them do passing drills and that they should just dribble/run more.

He said to the player "I'll have one ball, you'll have another. If you can beat the ball down the court with dribbling, we'll do it your way"

The player said yes, and they ran a drill. The player started off fast dribbling down the court, and the coach made a bullet pass to the other end of the court, before the player even made it to half court.

I might be remembering this wrong, but you get the jist.
 
julius said:
I (kinda) remember a story from either Jack Ramsay, Ralph Miller or John Wooden...a player was upset that the coach kept having them do passing drills and that they should just dribble/run more.

He said to the player "I'll have one ball, you'll have another. If you can beat the ball down the court with dribbling, we'll do it your way"

The player said yes, and they ran a drill. The player started off fast dribbling down the court, and the coach made a bullet pass to the other end of the court, before the player even made it to half court.

I might be remembering this wrong, but you get the jist.
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Found the story. It was Ralph Miller.

"He did not believe in dribbling the ball gratuitously. He called the pass "the chief weapon of attack." A classic story, every year there would be some hotshot, as he would call it, some hotshot from California that would come up and thinks that they could dribble. So he would say, "ok, let's have a race." And the guy would take off from half court, dribbling the ball as fast as he could, and Ralph would take the ball, pass the ball down, and of course, his pass would get to the end quicker than the guy dribbling the ball. Point was made. And so his teams became legendary for the movement of the ball, passing the ball, passing and cutting. Fast break, get the ball off the backboard, get it wide, start the fast break and go."


http://scarc.library.oregonstate.edu/oh150/oxsen/video-oxsen-20150707.html
 
julius said:
I (kinda) rememeber a story from either Jack Ramsay, Ralph Miller or John Wooden...a player was upset that the coach kept having them do passing drills and that they should just dribble/run more he said to the player "I'll have one ball, you'll have another. If you can beat the ball down the court with dribbling, we'll do it your way"

The player said yes, and they ran a drill. The player started off fast dribbling down the court, and the coach made a bullet pass to the other end of the court, before the player even made it to half court.
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that was actually a scene from a TV Series. White Shadow, 1978. I remember the scene. Maybe a coach did it first though
 
julius said:
Found the story. It was Ralph Miller.

"He did not believe in dribbling the ball gratuitously. He called the pass "the chief weapon of attack." A classic story, every year there would be some hotshot, as he would call it, some hotshot from California that would come up and thinks that they could dribble. So he would say, "ok, let's have a race." And the guy would take off from half court, dribbling the ball as fast as he could, and Ralph would take the ball, pass the ball down, and of course, his pass would get to the end quicker than the guy dribbling the ball. Point was made. And so his teams became legendary for the movement of the ball, passing the ball, passing and cutting. Fast break, get the ball off the backboard, get it wide, start the fast break and go."


http://scarc.library.oregonstate.edu/oh150/oxsen/video-oxsen-20150707.html
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The hotshot was from Oakland specifically and wears 0 for the Blazers.
 
julius said:
I (kinda) rememeber a story from either Jack Ramsay, Ralph Miller or John Wooden...a player was upset that the coach kept having them do passing drills and that they should just dribble/run more he said to the player "I'll have one ball, you'll have another. If you can beat the ball down the court with dribbling, we'll do it your way"

The player said yes, and they ran a drill. The player started off fast dribbling down the court, and the coach made a bullet pass to the other end of the court, before the player even made it to half court.
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julius said:
Found the story. It was Ralph Miller.

"He did not believe in dribbling the ball gratuitously. He called the pass "the chief weapon of attack." A classic story, every year there would be some hotshot, as he would call it, some hotshot from California that would come up and thinks that they could dribble. So he would say, "ok, let's have a race." And the guy would take off from half court, dribbling the ball as fast as he could, and Ralph would take the ball, pass the ball down, and of course, his pass would get to the end quicker than the guy dribbling the ball. Point was made. And so his teams became legendary for the movement of the ball, passing the ball, passing and cutting. Fast break, get the ball off the backboard, get it wide, start the fast break and go."


http://scarc.library.oregonstate.edu/oh150/oxsen/video-oxsen-20150707.html
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I was going to comment on the first post that there had to be more to the story, because you'd be hard pressed to find someone dumb enough to take that bet. The second post explains it, with a little wording trickery on Miller's part. "Let's have a race" is misdirection for sure.
 
blazerkor said:
Kareem won championships as the number one. Again, he was the six time MVP... five of those before Magic was even drafted. He was the number one scoring player on his team 17 out of his 20 seasons. The idea that the all time leader in points would be considered a number 2 is preposterous.
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Kareem was obviously the #1 on every team he played on in the 70s, and was the Lakers #1 (and league MVP) for his first LA title in 80, but from '82 on, Magic was the one leading the Lakers in VORP every year. Everyone knew those Showtime Lakers squad were unquestionably Magic's team (note that after 81, Kareem never finished higher than Magic in MVP voting).

Kareem was absolutely the Lakers #2 throughout the 80s...really the #3 behind Worthy by the time they won their B2B in 87-88.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Kareem was obviously the #1 on every team he played on in the 70s, and was the Lakers #1 (and league MVP) for his first LA title in 80, but from '82 on, Magic was the one leading the Lakers in VORP every year. Everyone knew those Showtime Lakers squad were unquestionably Magic's team (note that after 81, Kareem never finished higher than Magic in MVP voting).

Kareem was absolutely the Lakers #2 throughout the 80s...really the #3 behind Worthy by the time they won their B2B in 87-88.
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c'mon now...in 87-88 he was 40 years old

he was the #1 for his first 13 years in the league and started ceding that role to the rookie Magic when Kareem was 34

Not many players are a #1 at 34 or 35 years old, especially not when they aren't ball-handlers. He played till he was 41
 
Per Shams, beginning Dec. 25th, Staples Center will no longer exist. It will be renamed to Crypto.com Arena in a $700M, 20 year naming rights deal.
 
Reggie Jackson has been fairly consistent in providing some big threes in the 4th this season for the Clippers.

Should be on the scouting report.

That’s a big part of why the Clippers while they may not be talked about to win a championship, are still a streaky team.

Can’t leave Reggie or Bledsoe.
 
OneSport3 said:
Per Shams, beginning Dec. 25th, Staples Center will no longer exist. It will be renamed to Crypto.com Arena in a $700M, 20 year naming rights deal.
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that number is insane. Moda reportedly paid 40 mil for naming rights in a 10 yr deal in 2013.

great revenue stream, but there's nothing sacred anymore.
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon now...in 87-88 he was 40 years old

he was the #1 for his first 13 years in the league and started ceding that role to the rookie Magic when Kareem was 34

Not many players are a #1 at 34 or 35 years old, especially not when they aren't ball-handlers. He played till he was 41
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I didn't say anything as a denigration of any kind. Simply supporting the clear conclusion that Kareem was a #2 for the final 8 years of his career. Why does that have to be considered a negative?
 
PDXFonz said:
Curry was getting back to/is back to being healthy.

Wiggins has been consistent this season.

Their role players like Poole have given them a lot of key contribution.

Their offense is extremely efficient

They get and take good looks and don’t let games get out of control
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Maybe the best ball movement of a team I’ve ever seen. Wears defenses out trying to chase the ball around all game.
 
OneSport3 said:
Per Shams, beginning Dec. 25th, Staples Center will no longer exist. It will be renamed to Crypto.com Arena in a $700M, 20 year naming rights deal.
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I keep reading that and think it's a joke headline from The Onion. But it's probably not

fuck I'm old
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I didn't say anything as a denigration of any kind. Simply supporting the clear conclusion that Kareem was a #2 for the final 8 years of his career. Why does that have to be considered a negative?
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I didn't say it was negative. But I think if we're talking about a #1 option you'd grade by a player's prime, not when they were past that prime. Dirk wasn't a #1 option for the final 7 years of his career...but he was for 11 years and that's what he'll be remembered for
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Bledsoe? FG% 39.7, 3P% 24.5. I'd let him shoot all he wants.
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I think that is like 2-3+ games in a row he’s hit back to back 3’s in the last 6 minutes of the game.

Might be a viable strategy, but not one that has worked for teams for many games this year.

Edit: My bad I meant Reggie Jackson on this.​
 
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wizenheimer said:
I keep reading that and think it's a joke headline from The Onion. But it's probably not

fuck I'm old
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This would be the 2nd arena to have a crypto naming rights deal. American Airlines Arena in Miami was renamed to FTX Arena this year as well.
 
MickZagger said:
Yeah I was just thinking before I saw this post that the Warriors haven’t really played anyone good this season. Sure, they beat the shit out of the Nets tonight. But the Nets are awful defensively.
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Part of it has to do with their ranking too. Being ranked #1 means you aren’t playing #1 at the least.

It’s the league, honestly 12-2 is impressive regardless of strength of schedule. Warriors have quality wins this season; and their only two losses were 104-101 OT vs Memphis and 106-102 @ Charlotte.

Both those teams scrapped for those wins. Realistically they could be 14-0.

They are legit, it’s not a fluke.

Proved that they are a better team than the nets right now.

I look forward to playing them. I think we still match up well.
 
PDXFonz said:
Part of it has to do with their ranking too. Being ranked #1 means you aren’t playing #1 at the least.

It’s the league, honestly 12-2 is impressive regardless of strength of schedule. Warriors have quality wins this season; and their only two losses were 104-101 OT vs Memphis and 106-102 @ Charlotte.

Both those teams scrapped for those wins. Realistically they could be 14-0.

They are legit, it’s not a fluke.

Proved that they are a better team than the nets right now.
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Oh they are legit. But I’m not sold that they’re some kind of world beaters on pace to win like they did in their championship years. They just have an unselfish team that is buying in to ball movement and defense.

Now if Klay comes back shooting it like he has in years past. Then that’s a whole different story
 
MickZagger said:
Yeah I was just thinking before I saw this post that the Warriors haven’t really played anyone good this season. Sure, they beat the shit out of the Nets tonight. But the Nets are awful defensively.
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So who counts as good? I think people are underestimating the Warriors by pointing to the schedule without considering that the Warriors have been mostly annihilating the schedule. Pretty much all of their last 10 wins have been blowouts. The Nets were the preseason favorites to win the title--sure, they're missing Irving, but Durant and Harden were the two superstars engines. Irving certainly wouldn't be making their defense any better.

If the Warriors were beating weak teams by 3 and 4 points, yes, I'd agree they look like a team fluking their way through an easy schedule. But they're doing what you'd expect the prime Jordan/Pippen Bulls to do to that sort of schedule (and no, I'm not saying they're the 1996 Bulls--just that their dominance so far has been insane and it's not really abating despite having played some better teams, like the Bulls and Nets).
 
PDXFonz said:
Curry was getting back to/is back to being healthy.

Wiggins has been consistent this season.

Their role players like Poole have given them a lot of key contribution.

Their offense is extremely efficient

They get and take good looks and don’t let games get out of control
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Curry was great last year.
 
blazerkor said:
Kareem won championships as the number one. Again, he was the six time MVP... five of those before Magic was even drafted. He was the number one scoring player on his team 17 out of his 20 seasons. The idea that the all time leader in points would be considered a number 2 is preposterous.
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He was the number 2 for five of his titles.
 
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