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RR7 said:
That's fine. My point is signing a washed up C for depth isn't ruining the NBA. The same way people were flipping out last year when Andre Drummond signed there, and then everyone came to the realization that he's shit. And didn't play. But as a buyout candidate mid-season, it was so unfair how the Lakers got him.
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I'm old enough to remember when people insisted that we messed up by not drafting Drummond over Lillard. I used to fight them hard about this, talking about changing NBA and Lillard's killer mentality and polished skills. Seems like a million years ago now and also silly.
 
Idog1976 said:
I'm old enough to remember when people insisted that we messed up by not drafting Drummond over Lillard. I used to fight them hard about this, talking about changing NBA and Lillard's killer mentality and polished skills. Seems like a million years ago now and also silly.
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I think the thinking was that we could then snag Lillard at 11 (10?)
 
Lamarcus is back with the Nets again....at least he didn't go to the lakers
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I think the thinking was that we could then snag Lillard at 11 (10?)
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Naw, people thought Drummond was an absolute Beast and Lillard was a SG forced to play PG. They also didn't realize how much the game was about to shift, right around when Lillard came in the league. I had arguments here and on Blazersedge (May it rest in shame) with folks absolutely certain we boned that draft when we didn't take Drummond.
 
Idog1976 said:
Naw, people thought Drummond was an absolute Beast and Lillard was a SG forced to play PG. They also didn't realize how much the game was about to shift, right around when Lillard came in the league. I had arguments here and on Blazersedge (May it rest in shame) with folks absolutely certain we boned that draft when we didn't take Drummond.
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I remember a lot of people bummed we didn't take Harrison Barnes. He was supposed to be a can't miss guy.
 
Idog1976 said:
I'm old enough to remember when people insisted that we messed up by not drafting Drummond over Lillard. I used to fight them hard about this, talking about changing NBA and Lillard's killer mentality and polished skills. Seems like a million years ago now and also silly.
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Me too Dog. Over on O-Live, there were some hardcore Lillard detractors in the early days.
 
Went back & looked at 2nd round in 2012. Draymond Green was the best player, Barton (Port.) & Jae Crowder next, and the so-so Tomas Satoransky.
 
Idog1976 said:
I'm old enough to remember when people insisted that we messed up by not drafting Drummond over Lillard. I used to fight them hard about this, talking about changing NBA and Lillard's killer mentality and polished skills. Seems like a million years ago now and also silly.
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Hmm. There were Lillard doubters, for sure, but Drummond had virtually no support here. I can't speak for other forums, but that doesn't hold water here...

I argued that Drummond was the third best player in the draft, behind AD and Dame, and was undervalued so badly only because of the memory of Oden, whom he resembled very closely in physical tools and style/quality of play.
 
handiman said:
Hmm. There were Lillard doubters, for sure, but Drummond had virtually no support here. I can't speak for other forums, but that doesn't hold water here...

I argued that Drummond was the third best player in the draft, behind AD and Dame, and was undervalued so badly only because of the memory of Oden, whom he resembled very closely in physical tools and style/quality of play.
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I was way into Drummond but was far more into Dame. I think most of us were into Dame. He'd been here for a few workouts and like he does said all of the right things. So I knew I wanted Dame with that sixth pick but I wanted us to trade up for Drummond after that.

I honestly think if we would have done that, we would have been better than we were with Meyers and maybe having an explosive true Center like that, we could have been better quicker and kept LaMarcus. There's a lot of what ifs there but I was really hoping to pair up Dame and Drummond.
 
It's actually pretty amazing how many mock drafts had the Blazers picking John Henson and Kendall Marshall.
Here is one that has New Orleans getting Davis at #1 and Lillard at #10
https://www.sbnation.com/nba-draft/...mock-draft-2012-anthony-davis-hornets-wizards

On most Mock drafts Drummond was around the same as Lillard, Jones, Marshall. Blazers needed a point guard. Made a good decision. Some say Olshey doesn't get credit for this pick but he absolutely does get credit. Multiple Mock drafts had them with Dion Waiters, Andre Drummond, Terrance Ross, Jeremy Lamb.

Here is another prediction.
6. Portland Trail Blazers - Andre Drummond (74%), Damian Lillard (8%), Jared Sullinger (4%)
https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2012/6/24/3115019/2012-nba-mock-draft-25-overall

Fun to look back.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
It's actually pretty amazing how many mock drafts had the Blazers picking John Henson and Kendall Marshall.
Here is one that has New Orleans getting Davis at #1 and Lillard at #10
https://www.sbnation.com/nba-draft/...mock-draft-2012-anthony-davis-hornets-wizards

On most Mock drafts Drummond was around the same as Lillard, Jones, Marshall. Blazers needed a point guard. Made a good decision. Some say Olshey doesn't get credit for this pick but he absolutely does get credit. Multiple Mock drafts had them with Dion Waiters, Andre Drummond, Terrance Ross, Jeremy Lamb.

Here is another prediction.
6. Portland Trail Blazers - Andre Drummond (74%), Damian Lillard (8%), Jared Sullinger (4%)
https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2012/6/24/3115019/2012-nba-mock-draft-25-overall

Fun to look back.
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The rumor is Buchanan and the scout team already had Lillard as their pick. Who knows if it is true but if it is, that's unwarranted credit. We will never know.

Meyers was a pretty bad pick but there wasn't a ton after him that turned out great so either way can't fault the team that much. Leonard certainly had potential.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
The rumor is Buchanan and the scout team already had Lillard as their pick. Who knows if it is true but if it is, that's unwarranted credit. We will never know.

Meyers was a pretty bad pick but there wasn't a ton after him that turned out great so either way can't fault the team that much. Leonard certainly had potential.
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I know the rumors. That is why i addressed them. Allen/Olshey made the pick. They get the credit.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
I know the rumors. That is why i addressed them. Allen/Olshey made the pick. They get the credit.
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If he literally just did what the scouting team had already decided the credit should be reaaaallllllyyyyyy slim. But again. We will never know.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
The rumor is Buchanan and the scout team already had Lillard as their pick. Who knows if it is true but if it is, that's unwarranted credit. We will never know.

Meyers was a pretty bad pick but there wasn't a ton after him that turned out great so either way can't fault the team that much. Leonard certainly had potential.
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It wasn't a rumor, we had Dame in for more workouts than anyone else and the broadcasters on draft day were saying he had been a lock for us for quite some time. Dame was our guy. Some fans bemoaned that fact leading up to the draft because they thought we could get Drummond with 6 and a guy like Marshall at 11 but pretty much everyone knew we were targeting Lillard before the Olshey hire. Neil gets credit for not ruining things and telling everyone to go fuck themselves and taking a guy he had wanted before getting here though.
 
tykendo said:
Went back & looked at 2nd round in 2012. Draymond Green was the best player, Barton (Port.) & Jae Crowder next, and the so-so Tomas Satoransky.
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Man, I don't think any 'expert' predicted Crowder, Barton, and Green to be in the top ten for that draft.
http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/2802846/
(Blind squirrel playing with his nuts...)
 
Now I'm really gonna twist the Olshey haters.

Olshey has done a great job keeping Damian Lillard here in Portland for 9 seasons! What a great GM!
 
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