Assange: Choosing between Clinton and Trump like cholera or gonorrhoea

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  • JOSH GLANCY
  • The Times
  • 11:04AM July 31, 2016
In the latest Jason Bourne film, in which Matt Damon takes on and defeats the nefarious CIA (again), hacking is a force for good. The film’s glamorous heroine breaks into the agency’s computers and extracts vital information about its dastardly black operations.

Real life is not quite as morally straightforward, however. By leaking emails stolen from the Democratic Party’s servers, apparently by Russian hackers, the WikiLeaks whistleblowing site appears to have strayed into murky territory.

WikiLeaks was once trumpeted as a freedom-enhancing platform for truth-tellers. Now the organisation and its founder, Julian Assange — who has been holed up for four years in the Ecuadorean embassy in London — seems to be working on behalf of, or in the interests of, America’s foes. Critics have accused it of “information vandalism”.

On July 22, three days before the start of the Democratic convention, WikiLeaks struck with perfect timing. A collection of 19,252 emails and 8,034 attachments from the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the party’s governing body, laid bare internal scheming against Senator Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton’s failed socialist rival for the nomination.

Sanders loyalists were outraged by the revelations, which cast a shadow over the first days of the convention and forced the DNC chairwoman, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman, to resign.

That may be only the beginning. Assange, who has long denounced Clinton as a “liberal war hawk”, said last week that his site could release “a lot of material” relevant to her presidential campaign.

Choosing between Clinton and Donald Trump, her Republican rival, Assange told one interviewer, was like making a decision between cholera and gonorrhoea.

This weekend it emerged that computer systems used by Clinton’s presidential campaign workers had been hacked.

The attack is thought to have come from an entity known as “Fancy Bear” which is connected to the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence service, an official involved in the investigation told The New York Times. The same arm of Russia’s intelligence operation was also implicated in the attack on the DNC in which it gained access to research on Trump and other Republican candidates.

Attempting to shape the outcome of a US presidential election would be a new and unprecedented escalation in cyber-warfare.

Trump appeared to increase the potential damage last week by calling on Russia to hack and release the “missing” emails once held on Clinton’s private email server that have themselves been at the centre of a separate long-running controversy.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump said, in a reference to the now-deleted emails that Clinton kept on a private server during her time as secretary of state.

In fact it is highly likely that Clinton’s trove of 30,000 deleted emails has been stolen. “They were held on an unprotected server,” said Edward Lucas, author of Cyberphobia, a book on internet security. “If the hackers don’t have them, then they should be fired for not doing their job properly.”

Private conversations about fundraising or about the Clinton Foundation, the charity set up by Hillary’s husband, Bill, after he left the presidency could well emerge to embarrass Clinton.

Trump would certainly relish further ammunition for the “crooked Hillary” image that he is using to damage his rival.

Russia has a long history of cyber-aggression. In 2007 it is thought to have shut down much of the internet in Estonia in response to a row over a Russian war monument in Tallinn, the Estonian capital. Last year Ukraine’s power grid fell victim to a suspected Russian hack.

America and Russia are also known to play a constant game of cyber- espionage, probing for weaknesses in each other’s systems. But wading into an election campaign in this way would be unusually flagrant.

Is Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, really trying to install his man in the White House?

Trump’s admiration for Putin is no secret. He has described the Russian president as someone he would “get along very well with”. There has also been much speculation about his business links with Russia, although their extent is not clear.

Of more significance perhaps is Trump’s repeated questioning of the established international order, including America’s commitment to defend its NATO allies, which could be exploited by Russia.

Putin will have been cheered by Trump’s apparent willingness to consider recognising Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014, which had prompted the imposition of sanctions.

Putin also has unfinished business with Clinton dating back to 2011 when, while at the State Department, she had accused him of rigging a parliamentary election and he had responded by claiming she had sent a “signal” to Russian opposition protesters to take to the streets against him.

The Kremlin’s strategy is nevertheless likely to be more complex than attempting to engineer a victory for Trump. It can also be seen as part of a broader information offensive which aims to show that western democracy is full of lies and distortions — and western attacks on its own system are little more than self-serving hypocrisy.

“I don’t think the Russians are really trying to bring out a specific outcome,” said Mark Galeotti, professor of global affairs at New York University. “It’s more like geopolitical trolling. And it may backfire — Trump could become tarnished by association.

“Russia does not really understand democratic politics properly. They have lit a fire but have no real way of knowing which way it’s going to burn.”
 
The 4th Sharknado movie has been released. I'm not sure how it ties into Trump and Clinton but it's important to mention.
 
The 4th Sharknado movie has been released. I'm not sure how it ties into Trump and Clinton but it's important to mention.

The 3rd one is subtitled: Oh Hell No! Fucking hillarious
 
I've come up with the perfect analogy. Top this shit, it even uses political terms.

The choice between Trump and Clinton is like having your left testicle removed with right handed scissors or your right testicle removed with left handed scissors.

You are losing either way, and if you are worried more about the right vs left you are worried about the wrong thing.
 
WE is screwed............I choose the lesser of two evils and would probably vote for Clinton by default . Gonorrhea is safer than Cholera.
 
I'd say Assange has chosen.

If he really believed that he'd be hacking both campaigns. He has said flat out he is trying to upend the Clinton campaign.
 
I don't see how Hillary is so horrendous. I mean with Trump, there are a lot of red flags...you just don't know what that guy is going to do. He seems to be running as an ego trip. And he's way off on issues like energy and global warming.

I pretty much agree with most of Hillary's stated stances. The main notch against her is the way we handled Middle East affairs under her and Obama. But she wasn't dictating that policy alone.
 
I don't see how Hillary is so horrendous. I mean with Trump, there are a lot of red flags...you just don't know what that guy is going to do. He seems to be running as an ego trip. And he's way off on issues like energy and global warming.

I pretty much agree with most of Hillary's stated stances. The main notch against her is the way we handled Middle East affairs under her and Obama. But she wasn't dictating that policy alone.

The Democratic Party plank has been written to appeal to liberals, so if that's the way your bread is buttered, I can see why you'd find much to like with her. But, to my way of thinking, it's pretty much like going to a timeshare sale and getting blown away by the promise of sweet vacations at 5 star resorts. It's only later that you come to realize that the place is run by crooks.
 
OMG Sinobas, trying to speak with reason about Hillary Clinton? You don't know about her ties to Islamic Brotherhood, to Lucifer, to baby rapers? That she personally killed Vince Foster? You don't know that everything she says is a lie, including her own name? That anyone who says anything in her support is by definition (per Denny) a crook and liar? What rock have you been hiding under for 30 years that you can view Hillary Clinton as a human being who makes errors and has flaws but still look at her overall performance and platform and make a rational judgment????
 
OMG Sinobas, trying to speak with reason about Hillary Clinton? You don't know about her ties to Islamic Brotherhood, to Lucifer, to baby rapers? That she personally killed Vince Foster? You don't know that everything she says is a lie, including her own name? That anyone who says anything in her support is by definition (per Denny) a crook and liar? What rock have you been hiding under for 30 years that you can view Hillary Clinton as a human being who makes errors and has flaws but still look at her overall performance and platform and make a rational judgment????

You are smoking some goooooooooooooooooooooood shiiiiit :)
 
I'd say Assange has chosen.

If he really believed that he'd be hacking both campaigns. He has said flat out he is trying to upend the Clinton campaign.
The same way Yahoo has chosen to have 5 negative opinion pieces about Trump on their homepage every day. Oh, they make sure not to label them as opinion pieces by the way.
 
OMG Sinobas, trying to speak with reason about Hillary Clinton? You don't know about her ties to Islamic Brotherhood, to Lucifer, to baby rapers? That she personally killed Vince Foster? You don't know that everything she says is a lie, including her own name? That anyone who says anything in her support is by definition (per Denny) a crook and liar? What rock have you been hiding under for 30 years that you can view Hillary Clinton as a human being who makes errors and has flaws but still look at her overall performance and platform and make a rational judgment????

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-hillary-clinton-keeps-lying/493841/
 
OMG Sinobas, trying to speak with reason about Hillary Clinton? You don't know about her ties to Islamic Brotherhood, to Lucifer, to baby rapers? That she personally killed Vince Foster? You don't know that everything she says is a lie, including her own name? That anyone who says anything in her support is by definition (per Denny) a crook and liar? What rock have you been hiding under for 30 years that you can view Hillary Clinton as a human being who makes errors and has flaws but still look at her overall performance and platform and make a rational judgment????
There isn't anything that anyone can say she has done without her ultimately profiting from it. She has no redeeming qualities.

The ONLY thing of value Trump has done is call out the establishment. If he'd have been a career politician he'd be one of the worst.

It is fascinating how long it is taking for people to realize how completely screwed we are.
 
There isn't anything that anyone can say she has done without her ultimately profiting from it. She has no redeeming qualities.

The ONLY thing of value Trump has done is call out the establishment. If he'd have been a career politician he'd be one of the worst.

It is fascinating how long it is taking for people to realize how completely screwed we are.

Yup. The next four years are going to be a long, slow, trainwreck no matter which one of these candidates ends up bamboozling the most voters.
 
There isn't anything that anyone can say she has done without her ultimately profiting from it. She has no redeeming qualities.

The ONLY thing of value Trump has done is call out the establishment. If he'd have been a career politician he'd be one of the worst.

It is fascinating how long it is taking for people to realize how completely screwed we are.
I've been re-reading The Prince and Discourses on Livy by Machiavelli recently and I think it's safe to say Clinton possesses more of the "princely virtues" than Trump -- mainly in that Clinton and Trump are both likely bad to their very cores, but at least Clinton seems to possess a mastery of the game of politics. So no, she probably has no redeeming qualities as a human being, but as a political actor capable of managing the most powerful nation on earth at this given point in time, I think I'd trust her to do less harm.

But fuck it! I live in a blue state where my vote literally doesn't matter. I have the luxury of voting my conscience and I get to vote for Gary Johnson.
 

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