At #26, the Blazers select Swanigan

[Blazers Roy]

Z-Bo is sneaky quick with an elite first-step for a big.

Imagine Z-Bo at age 45, that's Biggie's athletic ability.

I remember reading that the Blazers drafted Z-Bo after they dug up a stat which said he was like the best rebounder per minute in the history of his division or something.

I dont really remember the exact details of it, so don't bash me for this post lol.

 

[Jade Falcon]

steal..next ken faried or milsap

Well....this comment didn't age well, did it?

 

[hoopsjock]

Well....this comment didn't age well, did it?

In his defense, Faried isn't very good.

 

[beast blazer]

Worst olshey pick ever considering who else was available.

 

[Natebishop3]

He lacks quickness, and in the NBA that can be a killer for you. I have had little hope for him since last season. Watching him run down the floor is like watching someone try to run with weights on their ankles, while everyone else is running free. He's just not that athletic.

Also, he definitely looked to have put on some weight from his rookie summer to this last summer. I really don't think he'll make it past his rookie contract.

 

[dviss1]

So was Jermaine Oneal, and he played a hell of a lot more with a hell of a lot better talent in front of him.

This is not true at all. Jermaine ALWAYS played well. In games and in practice. The story was always about how he was KILLIN em' in practice, but we never got to see it.

He had Sheed and Grant in front of him.

Whitsitt FUCKED UP...

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Worst olshey pick ever considering who else was available.

This turned out to be his Nolan Smith pick.

 

[blue9]

This is not true at all. Jermaine ALWAYS played well. In games and in practice. The story was always about how he was KILLIN em' in practice, but we never got to see it.

He had Sheed and Grant in front of him.

Whitsitt FUCKED UP...

I'm very open to the idea that my memories may be faulty, but my memories of seeing him play are "WTF is this dude doing on the court!?!" Like sometimes he didn't even know which hoop to shoot at, bad.

Also:

 

[kjironman1]

I'm very open to the idea that my memories may be faulty, but my memories of seeing him play are "WTF is this dude doing on the court!?!" Like sometimes he didn't even know which hoop to shoot at, bad.

Also:

Kinda like Swanigan?

 

[Scalma]

Worst olshey pick ever considering who else was available.

I was going to say Meyers but that 2012 draft class? Yikes. The second round almost produced better players than the first.

 

[blue9]

Kinda like Swanigan?

Yeah, I mean, that's my whole tongue-in-cheek point here. I certainly don't expect Swanigan to become the next Jerm - or anything close. Just pointing out that people who start out looking awful sometimes become good players - but they have to actually be given more of an opportunity than Swanny has received so far.

 

[blue9]

Just for fun, and to see how bad Jerm was or wasn't, I ran a comp on their rookie seasons and age-equal seasons:

 

[CupWizier]

Yeah, I mean, that's my whole tongue-in-cheek point here. I certainly don't expect Swanigan to become the next Jerm - or anything close. Just pointing out that people who start out looking awful sometimes become good players - but they have to actually be given more of an opportunity than Swanny has received so far.

The good part, he is on a 2 year contract with an additional 1 year contract the next 2 years after this. He's on a cheap contract and still time to develop. If he does, great. If not, then move on. The majority of draft picks every year seldom last past 4 years if that. This isn't a Blazer issue.

 

[Scalma]

Just for fun, and to see how bad Jerm was or wasn't, I ran a comp on their rookie seasons and age-equal seasons:

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Yeah, Caleb is shittier.

But it’s not even about the numbers, or lack of. On surface Swanigan put up good numbers in the g league. But if you watched those games, you would’ve come away with more doubts than anything. With Jermaine it was easy to get excited. He had the athleticism and skill. With Swanigan, there’s really nothing intriguing. He’s that unathletic.

 

[stampedehero]

Stotts won't give Caleb the time of day. He will be another player who doesn't get the chance to develop and will be traded as filler or let go after his contract expires.

Ship him out..... <My brothers' work.

 

[Chris Craig]

Ship him out.....View attachment 23873 <My brothers' work.

Your brother is a hell of a painter

 

[stampedehero]

Your brother is a hell of a painter

He is premier. His adventures in water coloring astound me. I proposed a marketing campaign to sell these or license these as car sun shields, greeting cards ( unique UV rated sunglasses), table placemats and so forth. He is so laid back that the smell of money does not move him. He only wants to chill. Check out "The Stampedede"

 

[beast blazer]

Why would you draft a lumbering tweeter in this era? Swanigan is like a Kevin faired coming off two torn achilles

 

[beast blazer]

This turned out to be his Nolan Smith pick.

Nolan looked like the starving Indian kid who had escaped from the mines beneath pangcock palace in Temple of doom

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Ship him out.....View attachment 23873 <My brothers' work.

Holy shit

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hindsite is always 20/20 but i didnt care for this pick from the get go. Didnt understand drafting two bigs.

 

[TBpup]

I know it's early and they are young, but damn... our last 3 Draft picks sure see a lot of suit time/DNP's.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Hindsite is always 20/20 but i didnt care for this pick from the get go. Didnt understand drafting two bigs.

I had hoped that Biggie would develop into a Defensive minded Big around the likes of Draymond Green. Boy, was that a lost hope there.....

The pick I personally wasn't thrilled with was Collins. So far.....I haven't been wrong about him. He'll be a Mason Plumlee-type player with a decent 3 point shot, but nothing much more than that. A good bench player, but never a starter.

He gets bullied around in the paint on pretty much every defensive play by everyone from PGs to Centers and PFs. And I don't anticipate that changing unless we make either adjustments to our Defensive scheme, or we hire a reputable Big Man coach. Neither of which I see happening anytime soon.

And don't even get me started on his foul trouble.....

Also not thrilled about that High School kid we drafted.....whatshisname.....Anfernee Simons. But I'll give him a couple more years before I form a solid opinion about him; especially as he hasn't seen much playing time yet. He deserves that.

But Collins and Biggie.....I think we've seen the best from them.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Seen the best from Collins. That is a riot! But hey, this place would be boring if everyone agreed.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I had hoped that Biggie would develop into a Defensive minded Big around the likes of Draymond Green. Boy, was that a lost hope there.....

The pick I personally wasn't thrilled with was Collins. So far.....I haven't been wrong about him. He'll be a Mason Plumlee-type player with a decent 3 point shot, but nothing much more than that. A good bench player, but never a starter.

He gets bullied around in the paint on pretty much every defensive play by everyone from PGs to Centers and PFs. And I don't anticipate that changing unless we make either adjustments to our Defensive scheme, or we hire a reputable Big Man coach. Neither of which I see happening anytime soon.

And don't even get me started on his foul trouble.....

Also not thrilled about that High School kid we drafted.....whatshisname.....Anfernee Simons. But I'll give him a couple more years before I form a solid opinion about him; especially as he hasn't seen much playing time yet. He deserves that.

But Collins and Biggie.....I think we've seen the best from them.

I have to disagree with you most whole heartedly. Collins already has better footwork and a MUCH better midrange to outside shot. He can make a Three!( I know you said this) Not sure how you can even come close to comparing Plumlee and Collins offensively.
Collins will be our starting PF next year. Note this comment.

Biggie is all hard work, not athletically gifted. He has zero vertical and his balance isn't the greatest. I saw his prime being in college and everything a downslide from there. Why? Because every year you get older it gets harder to maintain the same physique and he would have to IMPROVE it in order to become something in the NBA. I just didnt see that happening considering how hard he had to work just to get drafted.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Seen the best from Collins. That is a riot! But hey, this place would be boring if everyone agreed.

Honestly, I think what is holding him back more than strengthening his core is his fouling. His core strength will get there quicker if he can maintain consistent minutes on the floor and eventually get going against the opponents starters. But if he keeps getting these silly fouls ( refs aren't helping when they treat him like a nothing rookie still, Ive seen the ticky tack fouls on him) he will never get the in game conditioning built up. (Yes I know core strength is most built in the gym, but there is nothing like on the court, in game, experience).

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The best comp in terms of athleticism is Chuck Hayes.

 

[wizenheimer]

He can make a Three!( I know you said this) Not sure how you can even come close to comparing Plumlee and Collins offensively.
Collins will be our starting PF next year. Note this comment..

you're right, there's little comparison....Plumlee is underrated while Collins in overrated....now, before you go ballistic, know that I was just joking. I saw a fat pitch rolling over the middle of the plate and swung at it; it's like catnip for my bad joke department

but the joke was based on a little bit of reality:

PER: Collins 14.0....Plumlee 18.1
TS%: Collins .602....Plumlee .581
Rebound Rate: Collins 11.7....Plumlee 16.1
assist/36: Collins 1.6....Plumlee 4.1
off. winshares: Collins 0.8....Plumlee 0.7
def. winshares: Collins 0.6....Plumlee 1.2
winshares/48: Collins .107....Plumlee .161
off box plus/minus: Collins -0.3....Plumlee +0.1
def box plus/minus: Collins 0.8....Plumlee 4.9
box plus/minus: Collins 0.5....Plumlee 5.0
value over replacement: Collins 0.4....Plumlee 1.0
def real plus/minus: Collins 0.75....Plumlee 2.73
off real plus/minus: Collins -0.85....Plumlee -0.54
real plus/minus: Collins -0.10....Plumlee +2.19

Plumlee has advantages, sometimes big ones, in all those categories but two, and one of those, off. winshares is a cumulative stat so really, that's a push. So, on one end, offense, Plumlee is arguably better. On the other end, defense, which is supposed to be Zach's strength, Plumlee is clearly better

the purpose of all that isn't to convince you that your opinion of Zach is wrong, it's to show that in the context of a Plumlee/Zach comparison, Plumlee is the better player, right now. But Plumlee is 28 years old and his upside is capped; he is what he is and won't be getting better. Zach has a big upside advantage, but like all potential, it's not guaranteed. Still, potential has a lot of speculative value in the NBA, and hoping for development of prospects has big entertainment value for fans like us. Lastly, Zach is primarily a PF with some potential as a C. Plumlee is pretty much all C. and in the apples for apples thing, it should be Plumlee vs Meyers, not Plumlee vs Zach

as for Zach being the starting PF next season, that's a pretty safe prediction. That's because Portland is scheduled to only be 2-4M below the tax line for 11 players (10 current + 1st round pick). Signing Aminu to a 5-9M salary would push Portland substantially into the tax, and they'd still have to add a couple more players. Odds are Aminu may be the same type of casualty of the 2016 madness next summer as Davis was last summer

 

[Orion Bailey]

you're right, there's little comparison....Plumlee is underrated while Collins in overrated....now, before you go ballistic, know that I was just joking. I saw a fat pitch rolling over the middle of the plate and swung at it; it's like catnip for my bad joke department

but the joke was based on a little bit of reality:

PER: Collins 14.0....Plumlee 18.1
TS%: Collins .602....Plumlee .581
Rebound Rate: Collins 11.7....Plumlee 16.1
assist/36: Collins 1.6....Plumlee 4.1
off. winshares: Collins 0.8....Plumlee 0.7
def. winshares: Collins 0.6....Plumlee 1.2
winshares/48: Collins .107....Plumlee .161
off box plus/minus: Collins -0.3....Plumlee +0.1
def box plus/minus: Collins 0.8....Plumlee 4.9
box plus/minus: Collins 0.5....Plumlee 5.0
value over replacement: Collins 0.4....Plumlee 1.0
def real plus/minus: Collins 0.75....Plumlee 2.73
off real plus/minus: Collins -0.85....Plumlee -0.54
real plus/minus: Collins -0.10....Plumlee +2.19

Plumlee has advantages, sometimes big ones, in all those categories but two, and one of those, off. winshares is a cumulative stat so really, that's a push. So, on one end, offense, Plumlee is arguably better. On the other end, defense, which is supposed to be Zach's strength, Plumlee is clearly better

the purpose of all that isn't to convince you that your opinion of Zach is wrong, it's to show that in the context of a Plumlee/Zach comparison, Plumlee is the better player, right now. But Plumlee is 28 years old and his upside is capped; he is what he is and won't be getting better. Zach has a big upside advantage, but like all potential, it's not guaranteed. Still, potential has a lot of speculative value in the NBA, and hoping for development of prospects has big entertainment value for fans like us. Lastly, Zach is primarily a PF with some potential as a C. Plumlee is pretty much all C. and in the apples for apples thing, it should be Plumlee vs Meyers, not Plumlee vs Zach

as for Zach being the starting PF next season, that's a pretty safe prediction. That's because Portland is scheduled to only be 2-4M below the tax line for 11 players (10 current + 1st round pick). Signing Aminu to a 5-9M salary would push Portland substantially into the tax, and they'd still have to add a couple more players. Odds are Aminu may be the same type of casualty of the 2016 madness next summer as Davis was last summer

Potential is like soft money in the nba.

But heah. Experience is whats separating them to me.