Atlantic warming turbocharges Pacific trade winds

[barfo]

You now understand scientific skepticism. Nice!

Welcome to the Denier Club! It's nice to have a new member.

Thanks! There are a great many subjects I know nothing about, so I'm sure I will bring great value to your club meetings.

barfo

 

[NewsSource]

I will fund this study, but I'd like a few changes. I'd like the control group to be of equal size as the study group, and evenly distributed. I think a checkerboard pattern of 1' squares across the entire lawn would do nicely, assuming the lawn is of a reasonable size.

barfo

I'm not asking anyone to fund it. It's my own skepticism of existing results that I want to try and replicate. Why would you fund it? The proven science means any differing result I find would be questioned and re-tested, as it should be. Perhaps my one-off would be an outlier?

 

[Denny Crane]

I get what you're saying, humans can hurt parts of the environment but not all of it.

Mercury is poison. CO2 is not.

Next.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, I meant you Denny. You religiously believe that the study is bogus. You haven't read it, but you are absolutely certain that what it says is lies.

I haven't read it, and I therefore admit I have no fucking clue what it says or whether it is accurate or not.

barfo

No, you didn't mean me. You said "the other side" meaning the people who are duped by the AGW scam.

I'm absolutely certain of what the study's authors are quoted as saying.

I'm also absolutely certain that using models to predict the future of a non closed system is akin to astrology.

 

[Denny Crane]

Perhaps they is a good reason for all the research papers and articles. The Government is paying for the Research on Climate Change! About 2.5 billion in grants a years.
Check out the agenda

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=2O3Vh9uT6bWE6thLnng77Q&bvm=bv.72676100,d.cGE

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=sgBflimRPXUfJKT7rp1m5g&bvm=bv.72676100,d.cGE



How much do you think is spent on Grants to counter Climate Change? Or Grants to show it is happening with or without Homo Sapiens?

I find zero.

Another $500M to Solyndra plus unpublished larger amounts to similar scam artists. And all the$10s of $billions a year in treehugger subsidies.

A blue collar bank robber robs one bank at a time, at the point of a gun. A white collar one robs hundreds of banks, or the treasury, itch out a gun or stepping foot on the premises.

They're talking about Manhattan Project scale projects and funding yet to come.

 

[barfo]

I'm also absolutely certain that using models to predict the future of a non closed system is akin to astrology.

Just as certain other posters are absolutely certain that God is going to take them off to heaven after they die, etc.

It's quite easy to think of examples of non-closed systems where a model could very accurately predict the future. For instance, a box of lighter-than-air gas after the lid is removed.

barfo

 

[NewsSource]

Just as certain other posters are absolutely certain that God is going to take them off to heaven after they die, etc.

It's quite easy to think of examples of non-closed systems where a model could very accurately predict the future. For instance, a box of lighter-than-air gas after the lid is removed.

barfo

The example of modeling light air escaping a box is accurately based on physical research that has been observed in a controlled experiment. That has nothing at all to do with predicting future climate parterns.

 

[NewsSource]

I can create an accurate computer model of a rock dropping from my hand to the ground. I would have high confidence in the accuracy of such a model to predict that future behavior.

 

[barfo]

The example of modeling light air escaping a box is accurately based on physical research that has been observed in a controlled experiment. That has nothing at all to do with predicting future climate parterns.

Sure, movement of gasses into the atmosphere has nothing at all to do with the climate. Like CO2, for example. Absolutely irrelevant.

So you agree that non-closed systems can be modeled as long as the models are based on physical research. Denny disagrees.

But anyway, that wasn't my point. I was just addressing Denny's comment.

barfo

 

[barfo]

I can create an accurate computer model of a rock dropping from my hand to the ground. I would have high confidence in the accuracy of such a model to predict that future behavior.

Will your model include you yelling when the rock lands on your foot?

barfo

 

[NewsSource]

Will your model include you yelling when the rock lands on your foot?

barfo

That's one variable I would need to account for in the model!

 

[Denny Crane]

Just as certain other posters are absolutely certain that God is going to take them off to heaven after they die, etc.

It's quite easy to think of examples of non-closed systems where a model could very accurately predict the future. For instance, a box of lighter-than-air gas after the lid is removed.

barfo

Good point barfo. If you believe in the models, it's as absurd as believing in gods.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/07/updated-list-of-29-excuses-for-18-year.html?m=1

The list of excuses is now up to 30.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Mercury is poison. CO2 is not.

Next.

LOL! You're so funny. You just dance around it. At least PapaG/NewsSource will actually answer the question. I may not agree with his answer but I respect that he has a definite opinion.

 

[Eastoff]

LOL! You're so funny. You just dance around it. At least &@&@6/NewsSource will actually answer the question. I may not agree with his answer but I respect that he has a definite opinion.

Excuse me, I was informed by our pal NewsSource, he doesn't want to be called the name that must not be mentioned, anymore.

 

[NewsSource]

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/07/updated-list-of-29-excuses-for-18-year.html?m=1

The list of excuses is now up to 30.

25) Slower trade winds [debunked]

26) The climate is less sensitive to CO2 than previously thought [see also]

27) PDO and AMO natural cycles and here

28) ENSO

29) Solar cycle driven ocean temperature variations

UPDATE: It only took a few more days to reach #30:

30) Warming Atlantic caused cooling Pacific [paper] [debunked by Trenberth & Wunsch]

Aren't the results of those two studies contradictory?

 

[Denny Crane]

LOL! You're so funny. You just dance around it. At least PapaG/NewsSource will actually answer the question. I may not agree with his answer but I respect that he has a definite opinion.

I answered you directly. Nobody is arguing that man cannot poison the environment. Man made chemicals spilled on the ground enter the water table and can end up far away.

CO2 is not poison or you'd be dead. There is at least 10x more CO2 in your body than in the air.