Trade Avdija to Blazers

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Good trade?

  • Yes

    Votes: 92 86.0%
  • No

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 14 13.1%

  • Total voters
    107
Fair enough. But when the team was over the luxury tax from Joe's stupid move last year - its just a poor strategic way to go about a rebuild.

We got Simons and Ayton eligible for extensions next month so I hope we don't continue this one step forward two steps back approach.

Not much he can do to change what happened last summer. This looks to me to be a pretty good way to put the team in a better for this summer. And getting Deni on that cheap contract is a long-term win.
 
Why do people care what this quack thinks?
Who is the better option to listen to for the Blazers?

He's at least entertaining and does have good NBA acumen. I'm all for listening to someone better but its not like we got some amazing deep portfolio of top tier Blazers podcasts.
 
2020…Schmitz has been on him for awhile it seems



The clip going around now showing how Schmitz thought that Deni could be the best player in the 2020 draft (in 5 years time) makes me a little sus of his talent scouting skills.

Thats the same draft with Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton and Tyrese Maxey. (btw, what are the odds of two Tyrese's being drafted in the same year and both being really good players??)
 
Who is the better option to listen to for the Blazers?

He's at least entertaining and does have good NBA acumen. I'm all for listening to someone better but its not like we got some amazing deep portfolio of top tier Blazers podcasts.
I am just saying... He is constantly wrong.
 
Who is the better option to listen to for the Blazers?

He's at least entertaining and does have good NBA acumen. I'm all for listening to someone better but it’s not like we got some amazing deep portfolio of top tier Blazers podcasts.

Mike Richman provides a good amount of intelligence in his podcasting. Marang is sometime hard to listen to as his loud screaming and laughing. But in general I don’t hate him. He sometimes need to make us feel how plugged in he is and I don’t like it.
 
The clip going around now showing how Schmitz thought that Deni could be the best player in the 2020 draft (in 5 years time) makes me a little sus of his talent scouting skills.

Thats the same draft with Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton and Tyrese Maxey. (btw, what are the odds of two Tyrese's being drafted in the same year and both being really good players??)

Well I'm a little sus of your talent scouting skills...... you post on here!!!
 
Not much he can do to change what happened last summer. This looks to me to be a pretty good way to put the team in a better for this summer. And getting Deni on that cheap contract is a long-term win.
As an isolated decision, ok fine.

But when the Blazers repeatedly overpay their own free agents, then have to send out additional assets to get out of the tax, its just a stupid way to go about building a roster especially when rebuilding. History of the Blazers doing this goes back to Olshey in 2016 and guess who was his right hand man then.

Hoping we don't see the Blazer continue these mistakes in July with Ayton/Ant extensions.
 
I am just saying... He is constantly wrong.
My favorite wrong media was Dwight Jaynes pushing his friend David Kahn message about giving Nic Batum a contract. Kahn was at that time the Wolves GM.

Minnesota didn't even have cap space to offer it, the NBA rejected the offer sheet. The Wolves fans were blaming the NBA since the wolves had "implied" cap space.

I kind of miss the days of some truly horrible GM's in the league, it was so entertaining.
 
So listening to Dirt/Sprague from earlier this morning. Dirt had an interesting point.

If you remove the Dame part, and you only look at the Jrue trade, would you be happy with this trade for Jrue knowing what we know now and making an assumption that it's the Celtics pick that conveys to Washington in 2029:

Jrue/2 second rounders for Deni Avdija/RWIII
 
Mike Richman provides a good amount of intelligence in his podcasting. Marang is sometime hard to listen to as his loud screaming and laughing. But in general I don’t hate him. He sometimes need to make us feel how plugged in he is and I don’t like it.
Richman has decent content at times I just can't stand his delivery and mannerisms.... not sure what it is. Also he needs a cohost.

I actually really like the Casey and Freeman podcast they did years ago, those guys had a good dynamic. Was great to have Casey insider access but still have Freeman on there to discuss items such as now when moves aren't official.
 
So listening to Dirt/Sprague from earlier this morning. Dirt had an interesting point.

If you remove the Dame part, and you only look at the Jrue trade, would you be happy with this trade for Jrue knowing what we know now and making an assumption that it's the Celtics pick that conveys to Washington in 2029:

Jrue/2 second rounders for Deni Avdija/RWIII
Yuck - thats a pretty horrible deal.

I liked the Boston trade at the time, but not flipping Brogdon/Timelord at that time seems to have really backfired. I guess if it was just a gamble their value would go up, we were working to close trades, and we lost that bet I'm ok with it. If the holdup was trying to win at the start of last season and we turned down good offers for them its a fail on Cronin/Blazers. Very hard to judge unless we know what those offers were.

I guess you might need to add Thybulle into this comparison somehow as resigning him to that stupid contract caused the Blazers to go into the luxury tax and lead to them getting less assets in the Wizards deal.
 
My favorite wrong media was Dwight Jaynes pushing his friend David Kahn message about giving Nic Batum a contract. Kahn was at that time the Wolves GM.

Minnesota didn't even have cap space to offer it, the NBA rejected the offer sheet. The Wolves fans were blaming the NBA since the wolves had "implied" cap space.

I kind of miss the days of some truly horrible GM's in the league, it was so entertaining.
Dwight has me blocked on Twitter because of that whole Batum Minnesota debacle. I called him out for not knowing how the cba works, as it was quite obvious he was getting his info from khan. And bam, only person I am blocked by.
 
Fair enough. But when the team was over the luxury tax from Joe's stupid move last year - its just a poor strategic way to go about a rebuild.

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I would have done the same thing. You need assets to rebuild as well. It was not a bad strategy to try to get something for Grant and Thybulle as opposed to letting them walk for nothing. Will it work? Too soon to know but it was an aggressive move.

They gave Washington an extra pick for Avdija because they think he is really good not to get under the cap. They didn't take any more players back in the trade to stay under the cap. But the extra 1st was for a player they valued. Again...it was an aggressive move. Only time will tell if it was a smart one.
 
I would have done the same thing. You need assets to rebuild as well. It was not a bad strategy to try to get something for Grant and Thybulle as opposed to letting them walk for nothing. Will it work? Too soon to know but it was an aggressive move.
Same justifications I heard in 2016 when we gave Evan Turner $70 million and Meyers Leonard $50 million.

Mediocre role players on overpaid contracts aren't an asset - their a liability. Nothing is worth more and the far superior option.
 
Same justifications I heard in 2016 when we gave Evan Turner $70 million and Meyers Leonard $50 million.

Mediocre role players on overpaid contracts aren't an asset - their a liability. Nothing is worth more and the far superior option.

If Meyers and Grant were similar in value then I would agree. But they are not.
Turner was not our player, so again not the same.
Thybulle is a much smaller contract than either and salaries have gone up in 8 years. Again, not the same
 
He did like to shoot, but I think during tanking time, Chauncy let them do whatever they wanted... A philosophy I don't like, but they didn't seem to be playing with any structure.
Also I think there were times when Banton felt like he HAD to score because there was no one else on the court who could. I guess we will get a better take on him in the coming season.
 
Mike Richman provides a good amount of intelligence in his podcasting. Marang is sometime hard to listen to as his loud screaming and laughing. But in general I don’t hate him. He sometimes need to make us feel how plugged in he is and I don’t like it.
Mike Richmond for sure. The only thing not great about him is that he is good friends with Jason Quick.

But that's about all I can find
 
Good trade by Cronin, who can now move into a regular posture in negotiations post Dame trade.

Worst case scenario, Portland ships out Deni for a first 2 years from now—now you've swapped a 29 pick for a draft you're less capitalized in.
 
From the small sample size I've seen of him since we traded for him I think he's going to actually move a needle for this roster. Really looks like a steal to me for what he brings as a 23 year old....best wing since Batum we've had. We had a great draft day one. Got younger and bigger.
 
Shouldn't have had a "hedging" option with maybe.

Either yes or no. Maybe votes just don't count.
 
Avdija essentially is our 14th pick, and he's a better "prospect" than anything that was available from 3 on (at least), let alone 14.

Giving away Brogdon, the other first, and, IIRC, two future 2nds is the downer part. I wrote somewhere else, I just take this as the cost of the Blazers using this deal to get under the cap. I'm not thrilled with that, because Olshey's lopsided trades like this, albeit done for different reasons, are one of the things that put the Blazers in the position they are now, and I'm not as optimistic about Avdija's upside as a lot of people. It's lukewarm criticism, though, and I'm more than willing to see what plan the Blazers have after trading for Avdija and drafting Clingan and seeing how it comes together before being overly critical about it.
I think something people aren't mentioning is that this is also helping get rid of the backcourt logjam? Opening time up for our young guys. Love Brogdon, always have, but it's timetable thing. If you are bummed about those 2nd round picks, I don't know what to tell you sir.
 
Agreed that saving luxury tax was a component of getting less assets in this trade. That's why matching Thybulle was such a dumb move. If we had let him walk we wouldn't have been pressured to do this deal and lose assets.
'Tisse is one of the best defenders in the NBA, I have NO problem with doing what we needed to keep him.
 
Dwight has me blocked on Twitter because of that whole Batum Minnesota debacle. I called him out for not knowing how the cba works, as it was quite obvious he was getting his info from khan. And bam, only person I am blocked by.
I've said before......trust me when I tell you that the mass majority of local "Media" covering the team, doesn't know any more than members on this forum....I PROMISE you.
 
Shouldn't have had a "hedging" option with maybe.

Either yes or no. Maybe votes just don't count.

It depends. We won't really know till we see who that 2029 pick is/becomes. We could have just traded away a star for a role player.

So far, it looks like we win it. I don't think we are going to be looking back at this draft and thinking we could have had Bub Carrington.
 
I've said before......trust me when I tell you that the mass majority of local "Media" covering the team, doesn't know any more than members on this forum....I PROMISE you.

except for Nick Krupke
 
I've said before......trust me when I tell you that the mass majority of local "Media" covering the team, doesn't know any more than members on this forum....I PROMISE you.
That’s the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me, potentially.
 

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