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wizenheimer said:
yeah..Portland gets highest and lowest picks; Wizards get the one in the middle

I'm trying to wrap my head around if Portland can trade their own 2029 pick or not
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We can't trade our pick per se. Now that one of those three pick has been traded and been labeled as "second most favorable" we can now trade either the most favorable or least favorable of ours, the Bucks and the Celts FRPs in 2029. At this time we can't trade both because our 2028 pick is still tied up in the Bulls debacle... fucking Olshey.
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah..Portland gets highest and lowest picks; Wizards get the one in the middle

I'm trying to wrap my head around if Portland can trade their own 2029 pick or not
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The pick owed to Chicago will be done in 2028, so unless the Avdija trade says otherwise, it looks like they should be able to trade it?

In 2028, if Chicago hasn't gotten their non-lottery 1st round pick it turns into a 2nd round pick.

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blazerfan11 said:
The pick owed to Chicago will be done in 2028, so unless the Avdija trade says otherwise, it looks like they should be able to trade it?

In 2028, if Chicago hasn't gotten their non-lottery 1st round pick it turns into a 2nd round pick.

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I don't get what you are saying. First of all we have to have a FRP in 2029 since we could potentially have to give the Bulls our 2028 pick. As far as if the Avdija trade says otherwise... I guess we don't know for sure but Woj said that the outgoing picks is the second most favorable of the three picks we own in 2029... that would mean that we couldn't trade any of them away specifically after the Avdija trade, we can only trade them in relation to their favorability and we now only have one more that could be traded again due to that fucking Bulls trade and some asshole named Stepien.
 
blazerfan11 said:
The pick owed to Chicago will be done in 2028, so unless the Avdija trade says otherwise, it looks like they should be able to trade it?

In 2028, if Chicago hasn't gotten their non-lottery 1st round pick it turns into a 2nd round pick.
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Stepian rule prohibits teams from potentially trading 1st round pick in consecutive years; so they couldn't trade 2029....hadn't considered that before

I think they could trade one of the Boston or Milwaukee picks, but since Washington has a potential claim on either, those picks probably wouldn't convey much value

but I'm not positive about all that
 
blazerkor said:
I don't get what you are saying. First of all we have to have a FRP in 2029 since we could potentially have to give the Bulls our 2028 pick. As far as if the Avdija trade says otherwise... I guess we don't know for sure but Woj said that the outgoing picks is the second most favorable of the three picks we own in 2029... that would mean that we couldn't trade any of them away specifically after the Avdija trade, we can only trade them in relation to their favorability and we now only have one more that could be traded again due to that fucking Bulls trade and some asshole named Stepien.
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If the Blazers really wanted to trade one of the 1st-round picks in 2029, they could re-negotiate the trade with the Wizards to give them the most favorable of the remaining two picks.
The Blazers would still have one 1st-round draft pick in 2029.
Of course that could be a disaster for the Blazers if the most favorable pick ended up being in the top 4.
 
“7.03. First Round Draft Choice. No Member may sell its right to select a player in the first round of an NBA draft for cash or its equivalent, or trade or exchange its right to select a player in the first round of any NBA Draft if the result of such trade or exchange may be to leave the member without first-round picks in any two consecutive future NBA drafts.”

It's always sounded like you just need a pick , it didn't have to be your own

https://basketball.realgm.com/article/249279/CBA-Encyclopedia-Stepien-Rule

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wizenheimer said:
Stepian rule prohibits teams from potentially trading 1st round pick in consecutive years; so they couldn't trade 2029....hadn't considered that before

I think they could trade one of the Boston or Milwaukee picks, but since Washington has a potential claim on either, those picks probably wouldn't convey much value

but I'm not positive about all that
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You only need a 1st round pick for the Stepien rule. It doesn't have to be your own pick.

If Wikipedia is correct.

"The NBA thereafter instituted the "Stepien Rule", which states that a team (usually) cannot trade its first-round pick in consecutive years. However, that rule has a loophole in that said first round pick can be any team's pick and not their team's own pick."
 
wizenheimer said:
Stepian rule prohibits teams from potentially trading 1st round pick in consecutive years; so they couldn't trade 2029....hadn't considered that before
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Thats not technically correct.
The Steipen rule prevents a team from trading future picks such that they would go 2 consecutive drafts without a 1st round selection.

It doesn't matter WHOSE pick it is. Teams just have to have A first round pick.

So for the '29 picks - Portland traded the middle one of Bucks, Celtics, Blazers. They still can trade another '29 pick without any worry about the Steipen rule. They can also trade the '30 pick.
 
blazerfan11 said:
You only need a 1st round pick for the Stepien rule. It doesn't have to be your own pick.

If Wikipedia is correct.

"The NBA thereafter instituted the "Stepien Rule", which states that a team (usually) cannot trade its first-round pick in consecutive years. However, that rule has a loophole in that said first round pick can be any team's pick and not their team's own pick."
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wizenheimer said:
Stepian rule prohibits teams from potentially trading 1st round pick in consecutive years; so they couldn't trade 2029....hadn't considered that before

I think they could trade one of the Boston or Milwaukee picks, but since Washington has a potential claim on either, those picks probably wouldn't convey much value

but I'm not positive about all that
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I'm sure the Wizards could be approached to see if they would take a specific pick out of the three but I'm betting we were the ones that wanted to leave it a little less rigid to make sure we kept the best of the three. I sincerely doubt that we can trade any of the three specifically because now the draw for the Wizards is that they are still getting the better of two picks and can't get stuck with the worse. If we traded let's say our pick specifically we would still be guaranteed to get the best pick between the Celtics and Bucks in 2029 but then the Wizards would also be guaranteed to get the worst.

So I think we've tied ourselves to only having the option of trading those three picks in relation to the other two at this point. It's the only thing that would make sense and be fair to the Wizards unless there is some really complicated language in the trade.
 
The trade of Brogdon (MBEC), and having draft capital, has the Blazers coming out of a weaker draft with a 23-year-old who may be the kind of multi-tool SF they’ve been trying to get … along with one of their highest targets in the draft — even after falling to 7.

What happens with Time Lord (and Ayton to an extent) then becomes what the Blazers got for Lillard.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
The trade of Brogdon (MBEC), and having draft capital, has the Blazers coming out of a weaker draft with a 23-year-old who may be the kind of multi-tool SF they’ve been trying to get … along with one of their highest targets in the draft — even after falling to 7.

What happens with Time Lord (and Ayton to an extent) then becomes what the Blazers got for Lillard.
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The Blazers also have first dibs on Milwaukee's first-round picks for 3 consecutive years, 2028-2030.
2028 is still up in the air, though, because the Blazers still owe the Bulls a non-lottery 1st round pick.
If the Blazers have to give their 1st round pick to Chicago in 2028 they won't have their own pick to swap.


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Edit: I believe all the picks/pick swaps with Milwaukee are unprotected, is that correct?

Also, what happens if the Blazers need to give Chicago the Blazers' 2028 1st-round pick?

Does the 2028 pick swap with Milwaukee transfer to Chicago??
 

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wizenheimer said:
yeah..Portland gets highest and lowest picks; Wizards get the one in the middle

I'm trying to wrap my head around if Portland can trade their own 2029 pick or not
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They could still trade the #1 and #3… right?
 
Phatguysrule said:
They could still trade the #1 and #3… right?
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I am sure they could trade two of the three. The trade says Washington gets one pick, the middle of the three, but if two are gone, they get the one left. If Portland did not write it up this way they are foolish and further tied up picks.
 
blazerfan11 said:
The Blazers also have first dibs on Milwaukee's first-round picks for 3 consecutive years, 2028-2030.
2028 is still up in the air, though, because the Blazers still owe the Bulls a non-lottery 1st round pick.
If the Blazers have to give their 1st round pick to Chicago in 2028 they won't have their own pick to swap.


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Edit: I believe all the picks/pick swaps with Milwaukee are unprotected, is that correct?

Also, what happens if the Blazers need to give Chicago the Blazers' 2028 1st-round pick?

Does the 2028 pick swap with Milwaukee transfer to Chicago??
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Yes
Then the Blazers give it
No
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
The trade of Brogdon (MBEC), and having draft capital, has the Blazers coming out of a weaker draft with a 23-year-old who may be the kind of multi-tool SF they’ve been trying to get … along with one of their highest targets in the draft — even after falling to 7.

What happens with Time Lord (and Ayton to an extent) then becomes what the Blazers got for Lillard.
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Technically Ayton is who we got for Nurkic and Time Lord is who we got for Gerald Wallace but sure
 
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