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Obviously made by the local atheist group:

Santa Clause and Jesus Christ, one in the same.
 
Obviously made by the local atheist group:

Santa Clause and Jesus Christ, one in the same.

I think Jesus would hate Christmas in the United States, but love the idea of Santa Clause.
 
They should have thrown the tooth fairy in there.
 
Is Santa Clause the Santa brother who became a lawyer?
 
Obviously made by the local atheist group:

Santa Clause and Jesus Christ, one in the same.

Not really, though. There is little doubt that a man named Jesus once lived on the Earth. What is debatable, obviously, is whether or not he was the son of God.

"Santa Claus and God, one in the same", would have made the atheists look less stupid. They need to try harder next time.
 
And if the sign said Jesus of Nazareth instead of Jesus Christ, your criticism would look less stupid. Unless you believe Christ to be his last name. You need to try harder next time.
 
And if the sign said Jesus of Nazareth instead of Jesus Christ, your criticism would look less stupid. Unless you believe Christ to be his last name. You need to try harder next time.

There was a man named Jesus. He called himself the son of God and claimed to be the son of God. Whether he was or not is up for debate, but there was a man who believed he literally was God's son. As far as I can tell, there has never been a fat man with a beard who flies reindeer on Xmas Eve, after spending all year at the North Pole working with elves, making a list, and checking it twice.

So, your criticism of my criticism is stupid. Try harder next time.
 
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There was a man named Jesus. He called himself the son of God and claimed to be the son of God. Whether he was or not is up for debate, but there was a man who believed he literally was God's son. As far as I can tell, there has never been a fat man with a beard who flies reindeer on Xmas Eve, after spending all year at the North Pole working with elves, making a list, and checking it twice.

So, your criticism of my criticism is stupid. Try harder next time.

I was under the impression that there was some kind of historical basis for Santa as well. A toy maker who would put small toys and trinkets in children's shoes on the evening before Christmas. I might be wrong. I never really looked into it.
 
Saint Nicholas of Myra is the primary inspiration for the Christian figure of Santa Claus. He was a 4th-century Greek Christian bishop of Myra (now Demre) in Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia, now in Turkey. Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes.

So I would say the atheist's sign is actually fairly accurate, in that we have two individuals who were real people, whose stories and lives have since been embelished and fabricated to fit a purpose. So, again, try harder next time.
 
So I would say the atheist's sign is actually fairly accurate, in that we have two individuals who were real people, whose stories and lives have since been embelished and fabricated to fit a purpose. So, again, try harder next time.

It's not completely accurate, as would be comparing Santa Claus (the guy on the sled, not some guy from the 14th century who never claimed to be magical or fly in a sled) to God, at least in terms of what an atheist believes.

So, again, try harder next time. You're reaching to criticize me, and even you admit that the comparison isn't 100% accurate.
 
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I was under the impression that there was some kind of historical basis for Santa as well. A toy maker who would put small toys and trinkets in children's shoes on the evening before Christmas. I might be wrong. I never really looked into it.

Did the toymaker live at the North Pole and use elves as slaves to build toys? :dunno:
 
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Was the son of god born a virgin birth, walk on water, heal lepers, etc.? No. Like I said. Both real people with made up stories about them. Accurate comparison.
 
"Santa Claus and God, one in the same", would have made the atheists look less stupid. They need to try harder next time.

Saying "one and the same" instead of "one in the same" would have made them look less stupid also.

barfo
 
couldnt find the smiley but...

this thread is worthless without pics.



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There was a man named Jesus. He called himself the son of God and claimed to be the son of God. Whether he was or not is up for debate, but there was a man who believed he literally was God's son.

I don't think we know what he believed, only what other people claim he believed. I don't think you can ever know what someone believes (unless that someone is you).

barfo
 
[video=youtube;C-zR2pM_S5U]

There ain't no sanity clause. About 4:20 in.
 
There was a man named Jesus. He called himself the son of God and claimed to be the son of God. Whether he was or not is up for debate, but there was a man who believed he literally was God's son. As far as I can tell, there has never been a fat man with a beard who flies reindeer on Xmas Eve, after spending all year at the North Pole working with elves, making a list, and checking it twice.

So, your criticism of my criticism is stupid. Try harder next time.

There was never a man who walk on water, fed masses with a single loaf of bread, rose from the dead, born to a virgin...

Santa and his reindeer and elves are far more likely to have flown around the world delivering presents.
 
I don't think we know what he believed, only what other people claim he believed. I don't think you can ever know what someone believes (unless that someone is you).

barfo

And for agnostics, not even then. :biglaugh:
 
Saying "one and the same" instead of "one in the same" would have made them look less stupid also.

barfo

I noticed that as well, but the atheist sign actually works in terms of grammar. One "in" the same still has the same meaning, although it is awkward. So, I focused on the faulty comparison instead of miring myself in a grammar war.
 
There was never a man who walk on water, fed masses with a single loaf of bread, rose from the dead, born to a virgin...

Santa and his reindeer and elves are far more likely to have flown around the world delivering presents.

I'm not saying it is likely. I'm saying that a real historical figure allegedly claimed these things, and that people wrote about it and allegedly witnessed it.

I think you have me confused with a Christian? :dunno:
 
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I don't think we know what he believed, only what other people claim he believed. I don't think you can ever know what someone believes (unless that someone is you).

barfo

Well, according to the only historical record at the time, he did claim these things, and people allegedly followed him.

I don't get where you're going with this. If you're trying to mock my "belief", then you're on the wrong track. I think "atheists" are just as religious as "theists", and the sign Fez saw illustrates this to me.

I don't claim to know one way or another if any religion, be it theist or anti-theist, is valid. That's probably why I don't start threads like this one, or parade around with signs that say "Jesus is Life!" or "Jesus is Santa Claus!". :cheers:
 
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Well, according to the only historical record at the time, he did claim these things, and people allegedly followed him.

Didn't suggest otherwise.

I don't get where you're going with this. If you're trying to mock my "belief", then you're on the wrong track.

I was simply pointing out that we don't know what he believed. Not trying to mock your anything.

barfo
 

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