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PtldPlatypus said:
The chance to be the focal point of the offense if he were to actually make an effort. If he wanted to make himself an all star and improve his next contract, he has the perfect situation to stat-chase without having to worry about winning.
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There is no spacing. The offense is a Charlie Foxtrot
 
This is just so weird to me? Beginning of last season dude was jumping for joy to be here. Obviously there are some issues?
 
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Phatguysrule said:
I know you're not asking me, but I like them all. There are several we need to move off of though...
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I don't understand how any Blazer fan can watch how Ayton plays and enjoy his contributions. One of the worst efforts in the NBA. Look at Channing Frye statements as well. Even Raymond Felton gave a better effort there as a Blazer.

Simons has been horrific at D his entire career - but he always gives an effort he just lacks height or any defensive skills. Grant has been shooting like crap this year but again he's trying out there.

Jabari Walker was way more enjoyable to watch when he started in place of Ayton - and I'm the one who wanted to cut Jabari in training camp.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The chance to be the focal point of the offense if he were to actually make an effort. If he wanted to make himself an all star and improve his next contract, he has the perfect situation to stat-chase without having to worry about winning.
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He has already explicitly stated his primary goal was to get a 2nd contract. He already did that. So what's the motivation to do more?

Sometimes, we just need to take players at their word. No need to speculate when they tell you exactly who they are.
 
illmatic99 said:
He has already explicitly stated his primary goal was to get a 2nd contract. He already did that. So what's the motivation to do more?

Sometimes, we just need to take players at their word. No need to speculate when they tell you exactly who they are.
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Hey, if he's content with what he has and what he's done, that's fine. I was just answering the question of, "What is there to be excited about right now if you're Ayton?" A third contract potentially worth 150-200m could conceivably worth a modicum of excitement.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't understand how any Blazer fan can watch how Ayton plays and enjoy his contributions. One of the worst efforts in the NBA. Look at Channing Frye statements as well. Even Raymond Felton gave a better effort there as a Blazer.

Simons has been horrific at D his entire career - but he always gives an effort he just lacks height or any defensive skills. Grant has been shooting like crap this year but again he's trying out there.

Jabari Walker was way more enjoyable to watch when he started in place of Ayton - and I'm the one who wanted to cut Jabari in training camp.
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I'm not paying attention this season. I don't understand how anybody other than the young guys are giving much effort.

DA is already proved that he is a quality starter for NBA finals team. As far as I'm concerned he can take the season off. That'll just help us give him a more reasonable contract after this one expires.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm not paying attention this season. I don't understand how anybody other than the young guys are giving much effort.

DA is already proved that he is a quality starter for NBA finals team. As far as I'm concerned he can take the season off. That'll just help us give him a more reasonable contract after this one expires.
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I seriously doubt Ayton gets an offer from Portland. He is the cautionary tale GM's point to when teaching their young players the do's/dont's of the league. Get him as far away from the young guys as possible.
 
Phatguysrule said:
DA is already proved that he is a quality starter for NBA finals team.
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c'mon man...that's pretty meaningless considering it was 4 years ago; and especially considering we have 84 games of Ayton as a Blazer as a guage, and that gauge says his appearance in the finals was a circumstantial fluke

* last year, Daniel Gafford was a starter on a finals team...with a 12M salary; so was Al Horford with a 10M salary
* the year before, Max Strus (1.8M) and KCP (14M) were starters on finals teams
* and the year before that it was Kevon Looney (5M) and Marcus Smart (14M)
* the year the Suns made the finals, Jae Crowder (9M) was a starting teammate of Ayton's. And Ayton's team got beat by a Buck's team that started PJ Tucker

all of those players, including Ayton, were just default starters due to circumstances. Replaceable. Ayton's circumstance was he had one of the best PG's at feeding big men in NBA history in CP3.
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon man...that's pretty meaningless considering it was 4 years ago; and especially considering we have 84 games of Ayton as a Blazer as a guage, and that gauge says his appearance in the finals was a circumstantial fluke

* last year, Daniel Gafford was a starter on a finals team...with a 12M salary; so was Al Horford with a 10M salary
* the year before, Max Strus (1.8M) and KCP (14M) were starters on finals teams
* and the year before that it was Kevon Looney (5M) and Marcus Smart (14M)
* the year the Suns made the finals, Jae Crowder (9M) was a starting teammate of Ayton's. And Ayton's team got beat by a Buck's team that started PJ Tucker

all of those players, including Ayton, were just default starters due to circumstances. Replaceable. Ayton's circumstance was he had one of the best PG's at feeding big men in NBA history in CP3.
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I really don't care about any of that. Again, he can take the season off for all I care.

Either he's worth a first rounder or he's not. If he's not then I don't care about him.

Hopefully he'll change his tune when nobody offers him a contract and he has to sign an MLE deal... Then if that motivates him we might have some value on our hands.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Hey, if he's content with what he has and what he's done, that's fine. I was just answering the question of, "What is there to be excited about right now if you're Ayton?" A third contract potentially worth 150-200m could conceivably worth a modicum of excitement.
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You would think that....
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Love of the game? Thrill of competition? That's why i played competitive soccer into my 50's.
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Love of the game takes a hit when you play with chuckers who don't play defense. And when you know everyone is trying to lose. Especially after you've had a lot of success early in your career.

I'm not making excuses for him. I'm simply saying I don't care one way or another.
 
illmatic99 said:
You would think that....
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Can't decide if that's you telling me:
  • "True, most normal people would agree with that premise", or
  • "Of course a pauper like you would have a perspective that vastly diverges from how Ayton thinks"
Might be both, actually...
 
SharpesTriumph said:
No chance ATL offers up a FRP in this deal.

From Portland end I'd happily do the deal without a pick, doubt Atlanta would be interested in that either.
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what would you do if you were gm of the blazers? going after players vs. picks?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Can't decide if that's you telling me:
  • "True, most normal people would agree with that premise", or
  • "Of course a pauper like you would have a perspective that vastly diverges from how Ayton thinks"
Might be both, actually...
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The former.
 
I'd see in the offseason, if we can't trade him anywhere, if he'd take a buyout. Maybe we can save a few bucks off of his deal. Would he take 30 instead of his 35 owed? Probably not, knowing him, but worth a shot. Stretched, at 30, he'd count 10 million against the cap for 3 seasons. But would save us an immediate 25 million dollars. If we were somehow able to ditch Grant this year for an expiring, I believe we'd be able to have a bit of cap space this offseason to try to gather assets and start to properly build.

Now, I absolutely hate the idea of dead cap space sitting there for 3 years. I'm just so tired of having him on my team at this point.
 
RR7 said:
I'd see in the offseason, if we can't trade him anywhere, if he'd take a buyout. Maybe we can save a few bucks off of his deal. Would he take 30 instead of his 35 owed? Probably not, knowing him, but worth a shot. Stretched, at 30, he'd count 10 million against the cap for 3 seasons. But would save us an immediate 25 million dollars. If we were somehow able to ditch Grant this year for an expiring, I believe we'd be able to have a bit of cap space this offseason to try to gather assets and start to properly build.

Now, I absolutely hate the idea of dead cap space sitting there for 3 years. I'm just so tired of having him on my team at this point.
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I don't see a reason to handcuff us for more years with him. In one year he is a big expiring. Maybe he could helps us get a FRP from a team wanting to unload a contract. That should be the way. In the meantime, make him a 15th guy on the rotation. If he behaves badly, start the punishment and get a few bucks back.
 
Samuel said:
what would you do if you were gm of the blazers? going after players vs. picks?
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No question get picks but the problem is none of these worthless vets the Blazers have are worth any.

I'd just try to flip the vets for other teams worthless vets or other teams injured players and then the new guys at least wouldn't feel entitled to shots or minutes like Ayton Ant Grant.
 
RR7 said:
I'd see in the offseason, if we can't trade him anywhere, if he'd take a buyout. Maybe we can save a few bucks off of his deal. Would he take 30 instead of his 35 owed? Probably not, knowing him, but worth a shot. Stretched, at 30, he'd count 10 million against the cap for 3 seasons. But would save us an immediate 25 million dollars. If we were somehow able to ditch Grant this year for an expiring, I believe we'd be able to have a bit of cap space this offseason to try to gather assets and start to properly build.

Now, I absolutely hate the idea of dead cap space sitting there for 3 years. I'm just so tired of having him on my team at this point.
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Strategically the Blazers should certainly wait to the summer as maybe there is a trade possibility.

If we do a buyout, which I'm fine with, there is no need to stretch it. Just let it all sit on next year cap and then be gone for good. Stretching makes no sense as the Blazers are so far from competing now.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Strategically the Blazers should certainly wait to the summer as maybe there is a trade possibility.

If we do a buyout, which I'm fine with, there is no need to stretch it. Just let it all sit on next year cap and then be gone for good. Stretching makes no sense as the Blazers are so far from competing now.
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under the old CBA there would be a set-off if Ayton is bought out and signs with another team

he's owed 35.5M next season. Say the Blazer buy him out for 33M. And then say another team signs him for 7M. That 7M would be deducted from Portland's cap charge of 33M. So, the total hit on the cap would be 26M. But I'm not sure if this provision was contnued in the new CBA; probably, but it looks like Larry Coon is not going to udate his CBA FAQ....at least not on the link I have for his 2017 update
 
wizenheimer said:
under the old CBA there would be a set-off if Ayton is bought out and signs with another team

he's owed 35.5M next season. Say the Blazer buy him out for 33M. And then say another team signs him for 7M. That 7M would be deducted from Portland's cap charge of 33M. So, the total hit on the cap would be 26M. But I'm not sure if this provision was contnued in the new CBA; probably, but it looks like Larry Coon is not going to udate his CBA FAQ....at least not on the link I have for his 2017 update
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I'll have to look it up, but the offset isn't a 1 for 1 offset, unfortunately. There's some math involved, where it's a percentage of it, basically. X % + something or other
 
RR7 said:
I'll have to look it up, but the offset isn't a 1 for 1 offset, unfortunately. There's some math involved, where it's a percentage of it, basically. X % + something or other
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just looked at the 2017 CBA:

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that minimum this season, is $1,862,265. Assuming around a 10% bump in the minimum next season, that would be around 2M. The way I'm reading that is if he signed for 7M, the difference would be 5M, and 50% would be 2.5M. So, if he was bought out for 33M; signed for 7M, the Blazers could deduct 2.5M more and save about 5M over his scheduled salary

that's if I'm reading the provision correctly and it didn't get modified in the new CBA
 

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wizenheimer said:
just looked at the 2017 CBA:

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that minimum this season, is $1,862,265. Assuming around a 10% bump in the minimum next season, that would be around 2M. The way I'm reading that is if he signed for 7M, the difference would be 5M, and 50% would be 2.5M. So, if he was bought out for 33M; signed for 7M, the Blazers could deduct 2.5M more and save about 5M over his scheduled salary

that's if I'm reading the provision correctly and it didn't get modified in the new CBA
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I don't believe it's been changed.
The other part with the set-off is if he is stretched, it only counts for the 1st season.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'd just try to flip the vets for other teams worthless vets or other teams injured players and then the new guys at least wouldn't feel entitled to shots or minutes like Ayton Ant Grant.
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got it, so sell in the near-term, and don't get too fussy about pick return.
 
Chicago seems like a team that likes to gamble on dumb players. Maybe they've decided to move on from Vucevic and would give Ayton a shot. All the contracts are expiring;

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Would be much easier for us to flip one of Vucevic/Collins in a later deal if needed since they make so much less. Also may be fine to leave them here as backups which I bet they would accept much better than Ayton.
 

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