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The real issue is that we've been putting off pain and sacrifice, both in the short term and the long term. In the short term, we amassed too much personal debt. Individually, we needed to de-leverage which means less consumer spending which would slow down the economy. That circumstance should have meant a recession of the 1981-82 variety. The longer term issue is that the first baby boomers are retiring. This condition was foreseen and predictable, and both parties blew off saving for this population bulge.

So at the same time we're trying to pay off our personal debt, we're having to increase our public debt to pay our entitlement obligations. Furthermore, the slowing economy (due to less consumption) means that less revenue is going into government coffers while the demand for temporary safety net programs is increasing. It's a tough situation, but not an insurmountable one.

However, what the Obama Administration has made a bad situation worse. The classic prescription is to help the private sector in tough times by temporarily lowering taxes, lessening regulations, accelerating government capital programs that can be bid to private companies and offering tax credits. What was done was almost exactly the opposite.
 
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The classic prescription is to help the private sector in tough times by temporarily lowering taxes, lessening regulations, accelerating government capital programs that can be bid to private companies and offering tax credits. What was done was almost exactly the opposite.

Horseshit. There were tax credits given. There were government programs that were bid to private companies. Taxes were lowered.

barfo
 
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Horseshit. There were tax credits given. There were government programs that were bid to private companies. Taxes were lowered.

barfo

Yeah, by way of stupid government programs: Cash-for-clunkers was such a great idea and really got the economy going.

The government decided where people should spend their money instead of actually lowering taxes. It didn't work.
 
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Yeah, by way of stupid government programs: Cash-for-clunkers was such a great idea and really got the economy going.

The government decided where people should spend their money instead of actually lowering taxes. It didn't work.

Not really. For example, everyone is getting a tax holiday on payroll taxes this year. There's no requirement about what you spend that money on.

barfo
 
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Not really. For example, everyone is getting a tax holiday on payroll taxes this year. There's no requirement about what you spend that money on.

barfo

Which year do you mean by "this year"? I'm looking at my paycheck right now, seeing a lot of payroll taxes being paid.
 
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Which year do you mean by "this year"? I'm looking at my paycheck right now, seeing a lot of payroll taxes being paid.

Did I say your payroll taxes had been reduced to zero? I don't think I did.

And yes, I mean 2011.

If you need education, you can read about the tax holiday here.

barfo
 
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Barfo, I would like to award you 100 internets for the never-ending confidence on these subjects. They broke me and have given up trying to share my opinion with them. Keep up the good fight.
 
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Did I say your payroll taxes had been reduced to zero? I don't think I did.

And yes, I mean 2011.

If you need education, you can read about the tax holiday here.

barfo

Ah, yes. By "holiday" you actually meant a small reduction. Yeah, not misleading at all.

If you need education, you can read about the definition of "holiday" here
 
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Ah, yes. By "holiday" you actually meant a small reduction. Yeah, not misleading at all.

If you need education, you can read about the definition of "holiday" here

You are just whining to whine, I think. It's a 32% reduction in the social security tax. If that's a "small reduction", then I guess it wasn't a very big tax to begin with.

barfo
 
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Barfo, I would like to award you 100 internets for the never-ending confidence on these subjects. They broke me and have given up trying to share my opinion with them. Keep up the good fight.

What good fight? This is now Obama's economy. He owns it. There's no one else to blame. Do things appear to be better than they were under the previous administration?
 
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What good fight? This is now Obama's economy. He owns it. There's no one else to blame. Do things appear to be better than they were under the previous administration?

Without a doubt. At the end of 2008 things were spiraling out of control downhill, so much so that the Republican candidate for president suspended his campaign to return to Washington.

There's no question but what things are better than they were then.

barfo
 
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The fact is that President Obama made a big bet that massive deficit spending and an expansion of the role of government in our lives would turn our economy around and usher in a new era of Liberalism. It hasn't panned out.

Instead, we've seen an awakening of the populace in the form of the Tea Party not seen since the Reagan Democrats. The people that quietly went about their lives trying their best to ignore Washington are now energized. What we're seeing is the last gasp of a failed ideology. We simply can't afford President Obama's 1970s Western European ideas anymore, so we'll have to do something new. Unless the GOP nominates someone utterly unsuited, President Obama will be the Jimmy Carter of the 21st Century. Let's just hope he's followed by Ronald Reagan.
 
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Can a mod correct the spelling in the thread title.
 
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Well, hoping for something new and another Ronald Reagan is just a tad contradictory.

To me, it appears the tea party has already peaked and is now on the glideslope towards irrelevance. But we'll soon know. If Mitt Romney declares that he's a tea partier, he's always been a tea partier, how dare we question his tea party credentials, then the tea party still matters. If he doesn't, it doesn't. Romney's a good weathervane for that sort of thing.

barfo
 

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