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Further said:
Nik, I completely agree with your reasoning. It just still bugs me. I am not a fan of a large market team, which means I am already rooting for a team that has a much more difficult time keeping players and signing new ones. And I never expect a bad small market team to get any play, but the Blazers are playing awesome, and if they can't get coverage now, than they just can't get coverage. Especially since they are playing such an exciting brand of basketball, and have two stars that could be focused on, Lillard and Aldridge. I mean Aldridge just had a 30/21 game, and not one mention. Aldridge just won player of the week, and not one mention.

I understand why, it just sucks.
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If this team is for real, then they'll get to show it in the playoffs. If they play well in the playoffs and advance then you'll see an increased amount of coverage. For most of the rest of the country, this little win-streak is a pretty small story.
 
Nikolokolus said:
If this team is for real, then they'll get to show it in the playoffs. If they play well in the playoffs and advance then you'll see an increased amount of coverage. For most of the rest of the country, this little win-streak is a pretty small story.
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I can respect that POV. I hope that the team both understands that they've earned nothing big yet, and are angry about it, because they seem to react well to perceived slights.
 
Nikolokolus said:
If this team is for real, then they'll get to show it in the playoffs. If they play well in the playoffs and advance then you'll see an increased amount of coverage. For most of the rest of the country, this little win-streak is a pretty small story.
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Exactly. Counting the number of mentions the Blazers get in some obscure podcast in November doesn't really seem all that important. The NBA has teams that start hot and fizzle all the time, so if you weren't sold on the Blazers after 12 games I don't know why you would be after 14. Lets just hope the team keeps playing well, that's all that matters.
 
Nikolokolus said:
So why are people crying about "getting no respect?"

EDIT: For what it's worth, I think national people are hedging, because the Blazers were have shown little flashes like this before, but have always found a way to falter. Of course they are going to be cautious about putting all of their credibility on the line for this team until they actually show something beyond a hot start; that means advancing out of the first round.
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They are hedging. It's not even subtle. Pelton "I picked the Blazers for 41 wins, I feel there’s almost no chance of them winning exactly 41, I think they either win 44-45 and make the play offs, or it’s scenario where they are out of the playoffs race a little bit and they end up winning 38-39, and picking 11." Even since that Pelton has move his 41 wins to 44. Portland will get respect when they take it. Wes gets it, "You gotta take respect", and I think the Blazers all get it too.

Perception is in the eyes of the beholder, but "crying" and "soccer mom" are inflammatory in my opinion, especially on THE HOME OF THE PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS forum. So, unless people are looking to get a rise out of others, maybe it would be cool to just say what you feel the Blazers need to do to deserve more respect, or not respond. Just a suggestion, take it or leave it. ;)
 
Further said:
Nik, I completely agree with your reasoning. It just still bugs me. I am not a fan of a large market team, which means I am already rooting for a team that has a much more difficult time keeping players and signing new ones. And I never expect a bad small market team to get any play, but the Blazers are playing awesome, and if they can't get coverage now, than they just can't get coverage. Especially since they are playing such an exciting brand of basketball, and have two stars that could be focused on, Lillard and Aldridge. I mean Aldridge just had a 30/21 game, and not one mention. Aldridge just won player of the week, and not one mention.

I understand why, it just sucks.
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I listen to a few podcasts everyday and teams get overlooked all the time. With the starters they don't catch our games all the time and most of the podcasts I listen to are (cbs eye on basketball, nba lockdown, the starters) are all recorded early in the day so stuff like player of the week and suspensions weren't announced before they were recorded. Add into it that no one that isn't a Blazer fan wants to really hear about us until we have something either awesome or horrible to talk about. Our win streak is great but the spurs have the same type going and I also hear little talk about them except by Bowen.
All those podcasts have had a segment on us last week but we aren't everyday in-depth discussion worthy if your a big podcast.

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Blazer Fanatic said:
They are hedging. It's not even subtle. Pelton "I picked the Blazers for 41 wins, I feel there’s almost no chance of them winning exactly 41, I think they either win 44-45 and make the play offs, or it’s scenario where they are out of the playoffs race a little bit and they end up winning 38-39, and picking 11." Even since that Pelton has move his 41 wins to 44. Portland will get respect when they take it. Wes gets it, "You gotta take respect", and I think the Blazers all get it too.

Perception is in the eyes of the beholder, but "crying" and "soccer mom" are inflammatory in my opinion, especially on THE HOME OF THE PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS forum. So, unless people are looking to get a rise out of others, maybe it would be cool to just say what you feel the Blazers need to do to deserve more respect, or not respond. Just a suggestion, take it or leave it. ;)
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I'll respond to whatever the hell I like, and I'll say it however I like, short of ad hominem attacks.

You can take that or leave that.
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
Great basketball post. REC!
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You're can't have it both ways. You tell me how I should be posting and what I should be responding to and then try to run and claim the high ground when I respond directly to you. Try harder.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You're can't have it both ways. You tell me how I should be posting and what I should be responding to and then try to run and claim the high ground when I respond directly to you. Try harder.
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It's a reading comprehension disconnect. So, let's try again:

If you are going to post things that are inflammatory toward other Blazer fans, then expect that other Blazer fans will respond in kind. And "crying wolf" is an extremely pathetic response when accusing someone of "crying" or other inflammatory statements to begin with. No one, myself included, is telling you to do anything. Cause and effect is a funny phenomenon, but entirely predictable in this instance. If you are aware that calling Blazer fans "soccer mom" or accusing them of "crying" for stating their opinion is inflammatory, you can easily avoid these diatribes entirely, and get back to talking about basketball. Perhaps it just required some education on the matter. Again, entirely your choice. ;)

Portland will get respect when they prove something. Perhaps a list of things they need to do, or setting some achievement marks looking forward would help clarify for Blazer fans what is required to gain respect, and when we should expect to see it from a National media.
 
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To a degree, he is. I'm actually a Bill supporter, I think he's one of the more fun reads, even if his analysis is suspect. I love that fact that he is an unabashed Fan of a team. He admits it, gets giddy when his teams win, pouts when his teams lose, and makes every mock trade favor his teams. But he is funny, original, and a hell of a writer.

But regardless of the soccer momness of our fanbase, it is true that we get routinely overlooked and after a while that gets under my skin. And guess what, it would also get under Bills, with his Celtic/Redsocks/Pats-centric view of the world if he couldn't ever hear any discussions on his team with regards to their respective sports.

I'm actually fine with the Starters in my original post not buying in, or any analyst being less than effusive about the Blazers, but I do really like hearing discussions from national analysts about the Blazers, especially when they are proving to at least matter this season. In NBA Lockdown, a huge chunk of time was devoted to the Knicks. The Knicks suck. The Kinicks have no relevance. This is the part that get's under my skin. How a team that has no chance of doing anything important, and has no cap room to change, no rookies or injured players who might come back to save the day. There is nothing interesting about them. But they still get discussed while not even a mention of the Blazers with the third best record in the NBA who just beat two good teams in a row after that was the big complaint, that all the wins were against featherweights.
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Bill is def biased but I can respect his opinions because he understands the history of the game better than most national writers. His big book of basketball is a fantastic toilet book.
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
It's a reading comprehension disconnect. So, let's try again:

If you are going to post things that are inflammatory toward other Blazer fans, then expect that other Blazer fans will respond in kind. And "crying wolf" is an extremely pathetic response when accusing someone of "crying" or other inflammatory statements to begin with. No one, myself included, is telling you to do anything. Cause and effect is a funny phenomenon, but entirely predictable in this instance. If you are aware that calling Blazer fans "soccer mom" or accusing them of "crying" for stating their opinion is inflammatory, you can easily avoid these diatribes entirely, and get back to talking about basketball. Perhaps it just required some education on the matter. Again, entirely your choice. ;)

Portland will get respect when they prove something. Perhaps a list of things they need to do, or setting some achievement marks looking forward would help clarify for Blazer fans what is required to gain respect, and when we should expect to see it from a National media.
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These guys with their high post counts are just mad all us newbs flooded the boards with wit, charm, quality analyses, and humor. If they had known all these new posters would cause them to raise their feathers perhaps they would have fought harder to keep this place separate from blazers corporate.

All that said ill guarantees after we hoist the trophy this year the only thing in the media will be who gets Wiggins, my guess is Lakers.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
These guys with their high post counts are just mad all us newbs flooded the boards with wit, charm, quality analyses, and humor. If they had known all these new posters would cause them to raise their feathers perhaps they would have fought harder to keep this place separate from blazers corporate.

All that said ill guarantees after we hoist the trophy this year the only thing in the media will be who gets Wiggins, my guess is Lakers.
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Ummmm no. I like the newbies, as long as they wear their hello kitty backpacks. And as far as Nik is concerned... He is a quality poster with more of a "realistic" approach. I am a homer. We need all takes to make a forum roll and be interesting. If this place is filled with rainbows and daisies, it would be pretty fucking boring. If it was filled with a bunch of realistic, same...

I doubt Nik is pissy at the newcomer crowd. I bet he enjoys it.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
These guys with their high post counts are just mad all us newbs flooded the boards with wit, charm, quality analyses, and humor. If they had known all these new posters would cause them to raise their feathers perhaps they would have fought harder to keep this place separate from blazers corporate.

All that said ill guarantees after we hoist the trophy this year the only thing in the media will be who gets Wiggins, my guess is Lakers.
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Hahahaha well said, although, like Mags said, in short we all enjoy the added blessings that all of your collective wisdom shine upon us.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
These guys with their high post counts are just mad all us newbs flooded the boards with wit, charm, quality analyses, and humor. If they had known all these new posters would cause them to raise their feathers perhaps they would have fought harder to keep this place separate from blazers corporate.

All that said ill guarantees after we hoist the trophy this year the only thing in the media will be who gets Wiggins, my guess is Lakers.
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Exactly. No one will care when we win the first. We have to win back to back to get a rise out of anyone.
 
I'll care when we win the first one in my lifetime. Just sayin'.
 
magnifier661 said:
Ummmm no. I like the newbies, as long as they wear their hello kitty backpacks. And as far as Nik is concerned... He is a quality poster with more of a "realistic" approach. I am a homer. We need all takes to make a forum roll and be interesting. If this place is filled with rainbows and daisies, it would be pretty fucking boring. If it was filled with a bunch of realistic, same...

I doubt Nik is pissy at the newcomer crowd. I bet he enjoys it.
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I'm a homer myself, and 20k posts isn't intimidating, I'm like Wesley Matthews, I simply take respect :cheers:
 
KingSpeed said:
Media won't say much about it though.
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The media and the cynical ass holes on the board will criticize us for not tanking, and write off our championship as a fluke and a benefit of all the good teams tanking. That's ok, we can after party in rip city without them.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Hahahaha well said, although, like Mags said, in short we all enjoy the added blessings that all of your collective wisdom shine upon us.
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I have Collective Soul blasting in the background, and a small fan running with the broiler on which creates quite the effect. I should video this for youtubes "Most inspirational video ever!!!". lol
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
The media and the cynical ass holes on the board will criticize us for not tanking, and write off our championship as a fluke and a benefit of all the good teams tanking. That's ok, we can after party in rip city without them.
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I don't give a rats ass who thinks what. If we win a title, we earned it. It's not a short season, the west is strong and our team is stacked.
 
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