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Mediocre Man said:
Aldridge is already a second option. We need a first option
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Didn't I say that?


magnifier661 said:
He's a great complimentary player, but we need Batman. Aldridge is Robin, and can't be counted on to carry a team like Roy did. We need a wing "All star"; like Buchannon said a couple days ago. Either it be a PG or SG; we need someone that can take over the 4th. We don't have that type of consistent leadership the moment Roy went down.
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yuyuza1 said:
I'd say given his talent and ability to draw multiple defenders, and the way he reacts to them now, LA is a first option. He just isn't as good a leader as he should be, so a lot of people consider him a second option.
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He does struggle to be a closer when it counts.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Nothing is wrong. Batum is a role player that most of you over value
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This. And I love him on my team.

I don't know how someone can say in the same breath that he's playing lousy, but he's going to command a huge contract. That doesn't make sense. I'd think his current slump would be a relief as it pertains to his future salary.

If he's a second tier free agent, maybe he won't get an offer on day one, that we have to match, which would tie up our cap space. Better if we can swing for the fences on an all star before we have to sign him. He'll get a contract commensurate with his value, or he'll go elsewhere, or he'll be signed and traded. Even if Paul over pays him, I don't care as long as it is after we are done with free agency. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Also: I agree with Mags. He was our best SG, but now he's our only decent small forward. I can't wait for the draft!
 
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So, what should we do? Get rid of every single player who isn't a "first or second option"? Rinse - Repeat? Kind of hard to field a team that way.

I find the tiresome argument that you are either an all star who can carry the team or you are complete garbage to be bizarre at best.

As for the ubiquitous "small sample size" mantra: The small sample size here isn't his tour at SG, it is his current shooting slump, which coincides with the road trip from hell, trades, firing of the coach, adjustments to roles and expectations, and moving back to SF.
 
He's horrible. We often play him in garbage time and he blends in or completely disappears. I remember when some people were hesitant to include him in a trade for Chris Paul. Hilarious.
 
LameR said:
This. He'll never be a true first or second option.
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an apt comparison I saw for him is Shane Battier.

But lets come up with a stupid nickname for him now that he's in a slum.

Batdoom?

Badum?

Badumb?
 
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KingSpeed said:
He's horrible. We often play him in garbage time and he blends in or completely disappears. I remember when some people were hesitant to include him in a trade for Chris Paul. Hilarious.
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Have you seen the Clippers recently?
 
magnifier661 said:
Absolutely! If we could package Batum and a pick for a legit second option, I would do it in a heart beat. I love Batum, but he never was "untouchable" in my mind. He's a great complimentary player, but we need Batman. Aldridge is Robin, and can't be counted on to carry a team like Roy did. We need a wing "All star"; like Buchannon said a couple days ago. Either it be a PG or SG; we need someone that can take over the 4th. We don't have that type of consistent leadership the moment Roy went down.
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So all we have had this whole year is a #2 option and a #3 option. No #1 option. Yet we spent the whole year bitching that the coach had to go?

I agree that it was time for Nate to go, but lets face it, things would not have gotten ugly if the team would of had more talent. It is always fun when you win and shitty when you lose.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So all we have had this whole year is a #2 option and a #3 option. No #1 option. Yet we spent the whole year bitching that the coach had to go?

I agree that it was time for Nate to go, but lets face it, things would not have gotten ugly if the team would of had more talent. It is always fun when you win and shitty when you lose.
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See the reason why I think Nate had to go was when we didn't have batman (Roy), we were lottery bound. Even coaches like Sloan and adelman managed to get to the post season with less talent than ours. This is where I see him and the need to go. I don't even consider adelman or Sloan the coach answer for this team to win it all, but we would be a lot better now with them at the helm.
 
magnifier661 said:
See the reason why I think Nate had to go was when we didn't have batman (Roy), we were lottery bound. Even coaches like Sloan and adelman managed to get to the post season with less talent than ours. This is where I see him and the need to go. I don't even consider adelman or Sloan the coach answer for this team to win it all, but we would be a lot better now with them at the helm.
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So who should be the new coach next season? Never a lot of great options. Always a lot of average ones.
 
Hey Mags! You hear about the new French tank?

It has 5 speeds, 4 in reverse, 1 forward in case you have to back out of trouble.

But seriously folks, Batum has to man up, be aggressive looking for his shot and attack the rim. I'm sick of watching his scared, deer-in-the-headlights shit.
 
HomerLovesKoolAid said:
Hey Mags! You hear about the new French tank?

It has 5 speeds, 4 in reverse, 1 forward in case you have to back out of trouble.

But seriously folks, Batum has to man up, be aggressive looking for his shot and attack the rim. I'm sick of watching his scared, deer-in-the-headlights shit.
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Lol!
 
Batum has been mostly hype and promise his entire career. He's pretty much the same player he was in his rookie year. He's definitely a serviceable player, but I think he's more like a solid roleplayer guy to bring off the bench. He hits the 3 and makes some defensive plays. But overall, he's got a fairly week offensive arsenal, has trouble finishing, and his defense is vastly over-rated.

There's only a 3 mil qualifying offer for him next year right? So we'll most likely keep him at least one more year. If he doesn't start fulfilling some of that promise, I think we should deal him, because he's seeking (and may well get) a contract well beyond his production.
 
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Draco said:
He's an older version of Darius Miles with less athleticism, inferior inside play but a superior outside shot. I hope we don't give him a Miles type of contract.
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I totally get your point, but I think we'd be very lucky to get him for Darius dollars. Wasn't Darius a MLE signing? It only looked bad at the end because of the escalating dollar amounts.
 
I'm gonna get flamed for this, but what's sad is Gerald Wallace was a legit 2nd option. Having no training camp, a condensed season, Nate McMillan as coach, and his style of play was the perfect storm for it to not work out for him here. Sad to think about.
 
This was Nic's second game ever in the NBA.

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Haven't seen him dunk that hard in a while now. He's clearly out of it.
 
And he's clearly capable of it.

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What happened to this guy?
 
Every one of those plays were either a nice pass or a fast break which don't happen any more (or that one with piss poor defense when he was the point (neither of which happen here either)). Don't play defense to get rebounds that we inconsistantly get anyways which would lead to fast breaks which Matthews would get stuffed anyhow. Felton rarely looks for the fancy pass anymore because when he does it's just a turnover.
It's obvious he's giving up because he doesn't want to be here anymore so he can go to a good team and kick ass. Nothing wrong besides the team.
 
Nico is a very good role player. That means he will look average on a bad team and look excellent when he plays on a good team. Get the team back on track, sign a good point guard, and the Batum bandwagon will fill back up. He should never be more than the third option on a contender. And I'm fine with that.
 
This may have been mentioned in one of the draft threads, but here's a thought... Let's say we end up with something like the #5 and #10 picks. How about packaging one of them (presumably #5) with Batum to move up to #1 and grab Davis to pair with Aldridge? The top-10 is full of forwards that don't make sense if we have both Aldridge and Batum, especially if we're drafting two of them, so might as well try to consolidate. Batum might be enough to get it done...
 
handiman said:
This may have been mentioned in one of the draft threads, but here's a thought... Let's say we end up with something like the #5 and #10 picks. How about packaging one of them (presumably #5) with Batum to move up to #1 and grab Davis to pair with Aldridge? The top-10 is full of forwards that don't make sense if we have both Aldridge and Batum, especially if we're drafting two of them, so might as well try to consolidate. Batum might be enough to get it done...
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Like Sly said. Only Portland was stupid enough to trade down on draft day. I doubt there would be a single team that won the #1 pick and trade it for even #5, #10 and Batum.

Besides, Batum is a RFA, so that type of deal can't even happen on draft day. We would need to resign Batum, then make the deal.
 
handiman said:
This may have been mentioned in one of the draft threads, but here's a thought... Let's say we end up with something like the #5 and #10 picks. How about packaging one of them (presumably #5) with Batum to move up to #1 and grab Davis to pair with Aldridge? The top-10 is full of forwards that don't make sense if we have both Aldridge and Batum, especially if we're drafting two of them, so might as well try to consolidate. Batum might be enough to get it done...
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Would you trade #1 for #5 and someone like Marvin Williams or Wilson Chandler?
 
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