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Rastapopoulos said:
I really like what Hickson has been doing, and Batum has frustrated me. But in terms of talent, Batum has oodles more. And the knock on Hickson has always been that he plays no defense, so I want a larger sample size in games that actually matter.
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He sure has a funny way of showing it then
 
Batum has a QO next year, doesn't he? So we could retain him for one year by paying 3.5 million.

We've seen many Blazer players that had "potential", but just didn't bring it every night. Their "potential" never manifested. And you can't compare Batum to Jermaine O'Neal, because Batum has gotten lots of playing time to show what he's worth.

I agree with Steve Jones, when he scoffed at the idea of giving Batum 10 million. If someone wants to give him that...see ya! We can't be so scared of losing players that we way over-pay based on what some idiot team wants to pay.
 
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Sinobas said:
Batum has a QO next year, doesn't he? So we could retain him for one year by paying 3.5 million.
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No wayy batum gives up the money he willd be offered this year to sign the QO play next year and become a ufa next summer

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Sinobas said:
Batum has a QO next year, doesn't he? So we could retain him for one year by paying 3.5 million.

We've seen many Blazer players that had "potential", but just didn't bring it every night. Their "potential" never manifested. And you can't compare Batum to Jermaine O'Neal, because Batum has gotten lots of playing time to show what he's worth.

I agree with Steve Jones, when he scoffed at the idea of giving Batum 10 million. If someone wants to give him that...see ya! We can't be so scared of losing players that we way over-pay based on what some idiot team wants to pay.
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We offer the QO to make him a restricted free agent. Other teams will offer more than 3 mil; which we can match since we offered the QO.
 
Huckson is getting better looks with us then with sac. Hickson has a horrible 15 foot jumper and that was the shot he was being given in sac. Hickson isnt a great one on one player and needs to get the ball deep in the post, there wasnt someone on sac to set him up like that. Sac is full of selfish one on one players (except for isiah)

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magnifier661 said:
I would choose hickson because he's probably a 5-6 mil per player, while Batum will probably ask and get offers of 9-10 mil per. I still think we could get both and d will too. Hell we could keep Flynn, Babbitt, Aldridge, Matthews, e will, hickson, pryzbilla and Batum; while offering max to d will.
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I don't think so.

I am not sure where you get this idea.

In order to offer a MAX contract to Deron we would have to renounce the rights to Flynn, Hickson, Claver, hope Crawford opts out, hope Batum sits on his hands while this is going on, and we would still be a little short. Maybe have to give away Babbitt.

Then, if Deron signs with us, we would have bird rights on Batum and could pay him. But we would be out of cap space to sign Flynn or Hickson for more than small deals.

Or, if Deron doesn't sign, we could use our cap space on Flynn and Hickson.

Can't have them all.
 
Masbee said:
I don't think so.

I am not sure where you get this idea.

In order to offer a MAX contract to Deron we would have to renounce the rights to Flynn, Hickson, Claver, hope Crawford opts out, hope Batum sits on his hands while this is going on, and we would still be a little short. Maybe have to give away Babbitt.

Then, if Deron signs with us, we would have bird rights on Batum and could pay him. But we would be out of cap space to sign Flynn or Hickson for more than small deals.

Or, if Deron doesn't sign, we could use our cap space on Flynn and Hickson.

Can't have them all.
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We have Hickson's "bird rights", the Arena's rule.
 
magnifier661 said:
We have Hickson's "bird rights", the Arena's rule.
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We would have to WAIVE those rights in order to clear the Hickson cap hold in order to clear the $17mil in cap room we need to offer Deron his deal.

Like I said, we can't sign Deron and keep all the (many) free agents we have.
 
Theo was never the player Hickson is.

Hickson is a beast. Batum is a softy. If DWill states that he'll do a sign and trade to come to Ptown - - Keep LA, Hickson, Matthews and Flynn. And select the best possilbe scoring SF in the draft.
 
I guess it depends on what you think their ceiling is.

Do you take a Young Battier/Prince type in Batum or do you think Hickson can stay consistent and be that Brian Grant type?

I still go with Batum -- It's way too early on Hickson.
 
It's not way too early on Hickson. He's shown in the past that he can play this way when given the minutes. His splits at the end of last year prove this.

He's the same age as Nic and is still growing as a player. If he works on his jumper he's a formidable offensive threat as he already has a pretty good burst in his first step and can get past his defender. He's also clearly shown he's a good rebounder.

This isn't some mirage with Hickson. He has clearly shown he has the ability to put up 15/10 every game if given the minutes.
 
RoyToy said:
It's not way too early on Hickson. He's shown in the past that he can play this way when given the minutes. His splits at the end of last year prove this.

He's the same age as Nic and is still growing as a player. If he works on his jumper he's a formidable offensive threat as he already has a pretty good burst in his first step and can get past his defender. He's also clearly shown he's a good rebounder.

This isn't some mirage with Hickson. He has clearly shown he has the ability to put up 15/10 every game if given the minutes.
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Do you plan on playing him at the five long-term? LMA does not like playing the five so you're going to have to play on out of position. Hickson is kind of a weird tweener -- he's a center in a PF's body.
 
Being a good rebounder and wait for it....scrapper that he is I think you can get away with playing him and Aldridge at the same time. As long as Przy is out we'll get a look at how that works the rest of the season.

What gets me excited is getting a really good PG for both Aldridge and hickson. Alley-oops all day for Aldridge while Hickson destroys in the PnR.
 
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I don't know... I might change my choice to Batum. I like Hickson, but he seems pretty one-dimensional to me. Not much of an outside shot and no real post moves.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't know... I might change my choice to Batum. I like Hickson, but he seems pretty one-dimensional to me. Not much of an outside shot and no real post moves.
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Good energy big. Solid replacement starter for a few games. We all knew this, no?
 
B-Roy said:
Good energy big. Solid replacement starter for a few games. We all knew this, no?
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Yeah, but if we're talking about only being able to keep one or the other, I'm definitely leaning towards Batum. I like Hickson, but if it means having extra cap space to go after Deron, I would say renounce his rights. A core group of Williams, Batum, Matthews, and Aldridge would be one of the better starting fives in the west I think.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah, but if we're talking about only being able to keep one or the other, I'm definitely leaning towards Batum. I like Hickson, but if it means having extra cap space to go after Deron, I would say renounce his rights. A core group of Williams, Batum, Matthews, and Aldridge would be one of the better starting fives in the west I think.
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This especially becomes true if the Blazers draft a power-forward type with either their lottery pick or New Jerseys
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah, but if we're talking about only being able to keep one or the other, I'm definitely leaning towards Batum. I like Hickson, but if it means having extra cap space to go after Deron, I would say renounce his rights. A core group of Williams, Batum, Matthews, and Aldridge would be one of the better starting fives in the west I think.
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I think the answer to this question should have been Batum for obvious reasons. I was surprised the number of people that actually wanted to keep Hickson OVER Batum. Nonsense.
 
B-Roy said:
I think the answer to this question should have been Batum for obvious reasons. I was surprised the number of people that actually wanted to keep Hickson OVER Batum. Nonsense.
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Well, you would think that a talented big is easier to replace than a wing... but it really seems like Batum has found his rhythm and is showing a lot of confidence on the court now. Really encouraging signs from him. He could be a legit second option if he keeps progressing like this. Put him with a guy like Deron Williams and I think he could flourish.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well, you would think that a talented big is easier to replace than a wing... but it really seems like Batum has found his rhythm and is showing a lot of confidence on the court now. Really encouraging signs from him. He could be a legit second option if he keeps progressing like this. Put him with a guy like Deron Williams and I think he could flourish.
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That 6-17 was real nice tonight in a big game
 
Fantasy star today on the first day of the playoffs. Any guy who can give you 3 blocks and 4 threes is amazing.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well, you would think that a talented big is easier to replace than a wing... but it really seems like Batum has found his rhythm and is showing a lot of confidence on the court now. Really encouraging signs from him. He could be a legit second option if he keeps progressing like this. Put him with a guy like Deron Williams and I think he could flourish.
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No, I just take BPA, and Batum is more talented than Hickson by a fair margin.
 
RoyToy said:
Hickson. He has clearly shown he has the ability to put up 15/10 every game if given the minutes.
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When did this happen, and how did I miss it? That's an incredible stat line for a season.
 
PapaG said:
When did this happen, and how did I miss it? That's an incredible stat line for a season.
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He put up 13.8 & 8.7 just last year, in 28 mpg. Translates to 17.6 & 11.1 per 36. I believe that qualifies as "showing the ability to put up 15/10 if given the minutes".
 
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