Bayless a goner?

[Rastapopoulos]

boo this sucks.
i love bayless.

"If you love somebody set them free."

 

[Pinwheel1]

Actually I think this gives Bayless more of a chance to play. At his correct position. Of SG.

I would keep him. I love his attitiude. I would think about trading Rudy because I am not sure he will ever be content here. (And no I have nothing to base that on) Bayless can eventually fill that Antonio Daniels role that Nate likes. Between Bayless and Martel we would be covered at the back up 2. That gives Batum more minutes at the three. Either way i am in no hurry to make a move as I love Rudy's game, I just don't see him as a long term Blazer.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

I agree. The best thing to do now is worry about something that may or may not happen on another team or not, sometime in the near or distant future involving him and some other future player on the Portland roster who's not even part of the team yet.

We should trade that future player now for whatever we can get and cut our losses.

Terrible day in Blazers history.

I'm gutted to be honest.

Do you really think that Bayless won't succeed on another team? I realize he doesn't fit here now that Miller will be taking whatever time he could have had, so it kinda sucks that we won't be able to have him on our team while he's in his prime.

I get that Miller over Bayless now is probably better for the team's success.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Methinks we are going to learn alot about Bayless' character over the next few months.

Option A) He sucks it up, works on his PG skills, and meanwhile tries to prove he is a better back-up SG than Rudy.

Option B) He gets his sense of entitlement bent out of shape and tries to whine his way out of town.

 

[SpanishFly]

Methinks we are going to learn alot about Bayless' character over the next few months.

Option A) He sucks it up, works on his PG skills, and meanwhile tries to prove he is a better back-up SG than Rudy.

Option B) He gets his sense of entitlement bent out of shape and tries to whine his way out of town.

This won't be popular either but ideally I'd like to trade Rudy for Flynn (PG of the future), keep Bayless for backup SG with Webs as well.

 

[Minstrel]

I'd rather trade Blake and let Bayless be the second-string point guard. It's a bit risky, but Miller has been an iron man in general and it's better than selling Bayless for pennies on the dollar.

Or, make Blake the third-stringer. That way, if Miller goes down, you have someone steady to soak up minutes but as long as Miller is healthy, Bayless gets almost all the backup minutes.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Could we see a repeat of last year where Blake and Bayless are battling for backup minutes instead of Sergio / Bayless?

 

[OddEnormous]

Do you really think that Bayless won't succeed on another team? I realize he doesn't fit here now that Miller will be taking whatever time he could have had, so it kinda sucks that we won't be able to have him on our team while he's in his prime.

I get that Miller over Bayless now is probably better for the team's success.

I don't worry about things that haven't happened yet let alone the 9 other MIGHT happens that could follow.

Ridiculous.

Jesus Christ, he's still a Blazer for goodness sakes.

 

[Ed O]

Koponen! Assuming he wasn't renounced to make room to sign Miller.

Also Patty Mills.

Do you think Mills will actually be retained by the team? I guess he might be able to sign a contract overseas and the Blazers will keep his rights, but it doesn't seem like a sure-thing.

As for Bayless: I agree we should still loook to trade Blake. I think it's more likely that Bayless will be content to come off of the bench for 15 minutes a game than that Blake will.

Ed O.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

I don't worry about things that haven't happened yet let alone the 9 other MIGHT happens that could follow.

Ridiculous.

Jesus Christ, he's still a Blazer for goodness sakes.

I didn't know Jesus posted here. If you're going to address my comment, at least make it toward me.

 

[Cake]

BECAUSE FUCKING SESSIONS IS NOT AN OPTION DUDE.

Why is that so hard to comprehend for all you Sessions fans?

Link?

We could have offered 9 million per year and Milwaukee WOULD NOT HAVE FUCKING MATCHED DUDE!!!

(See...everyone can make blanket statements that can't be backed up by any proof. But my blanket statement is probably more accurate than yours.)

Sessions was an option, it just matters what we'd have given up for him.

 

[Idog1976]

This won't be popular either but ideally I'd like to trade Rudy for Flynn (PG of the future), keep Bayless for backup SG with Webs as well.

I like it and suggested that in another thread. Of course I suggested trading our lord and savior Joel as well to Minnie...(for Love)

 

[Minstrel]

Of course I suggested trading our lord and savior Joel as well to Minnie...(for Love)

A deal Minnesota wouldn't consider. Love may not be a perfect match with Jefferson, but they're not going to trade one of their best young players for a 30 year old center with a year left on his deal.

 

[OddEnormous]

I didn't know Jesus posted here. If you're going to address my comment, at least make it toward me.

Only the last bit were to Jesus.

The first part was obviously aimed towards you.

 

[mobes23]

This will clearly impact the minutes Bayless gets next season, but I don't think in and of itself this signing means Bayless is done in PDX. It means he'll have to fight more for his minutes, but he's a scrapper and I think he'll make it happen.

Obviously, it's possible KP takes a look at the PG depth and decides to trade some of it for a position where we're shallow (obviously PF). But I think he'll want to keep a blend of youth/veteran at the PG slot and the PF would need to be pretty danged solid for him to trade Bayless.

 

[handiman]

Actually I think this gives Bayless more of a chance to play. At his correct position. Of SG.

I hear ya. I've been troubled by the team's attempt to play him more at the point this summer. Last summer, he excelled as a scoring guard then struggled mightily all season as a backup point. Then he has a mediocre second summer trying to play more as a pure point. Gee, is there a trend?

Many here have said exactly what I believe ... Bayless is a perfect combo guard off the bench. With two primary ball handlers in Roy and possibly Andre Miller, there should be plenty of combinations to play with. I love Rudy, but I don't believe he'll be in the long term plans, so I would rather play him slightly out of position as a 2/3 and give Bayless some of his minutes at SG.

As for why not to get rid of Bayless ... ask yourself, would you be scared to face him as an opponent? I don't want to see him driving the lane on our big guys, getting them into foul trouble. He's exactly the sort of bulldog player that is dreaded defensively. Just wait until he gets the hang of dumping it off in traffic...

 

[Haakzilla]

...bye bye J.Bay-Bay

 

[Freshtown]

We're making a mistake if we get rid of him. Period.

He's too young (20!!!!), talented, and works too hard to not be an impact-type player in this league.

This. TRADE BLAKE!!!!

 

[LameR]

If Andre Miller is our PG, wouldn't we still want to get a young PG to take over in 2-3 years? Not necessarily 20 years young, but I'd say under 26.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The sudden perception that Bayless can't play defense is incorrect. I am listening to Dwight Jaymes and he is putting too much stock in the summer league. Defense is about effort, experience, and athletic ability. IMO Bayless was focusing on running the offense and did not put forth the effort on the defensive end in Vegas. He didn't care because he didn't think he had to. Was this un wise? Maybe. But who gives a fuck. Anyone who has watched him play knows he can play D.

Dwight obviously is not watching too many games. Yes he got in foul trouble last year, but there were a lot of bullshit rookie calls.The dude can D up.

 

[tlongII]

Bayless will stay. This move makes it even more apparent to me.

 

[Sinobas]

No, Miller is 33. This doesn't mean we're automatically going to be giving up on Bayless. We won't trade him unless we get a good deal, like Butler. It will just take more time for Bayless to develop. And who knows what will happen with injuries.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Anyone who has watched him play knows he can play D.

Disagree with this wholeheartedly. I think most people confuse defensive effort with defensive prowess. Bayless has the former in spades. It's the latter he's lacking in.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Disagree with this wholeheartedly. I think most people confuse defensive effort with defensive prowess. Bayless has the former in spades. It's the latter he's lacking in.

The definiton of Prowess:

exceptional valor, bravery, or ability, esp. in combat or battle.
2. exceptional or superior ability, skill, or strength:


I got to disagree with you on this one.

 

[Ed O]

Disagree with this wholeheartedly. I think most people confuse defensive effort with defensive prowess. Bayless has the former in spades. It's the latter he's lacking in.

I think that defense is primarily effort... some players can be effective without so much effort, and some players are going to spin their wheels and suck, but I think that for the majority of the NBA, defense is a function of effort and experience.

Bayless gives the effort and he will get more experience. Other than his short arms, he has good physical tools to defend well (big, strong) and I think that even if he's not that good right now, he will be in relatively short order, assuming he keeps putting in the effort.

Ed O.

 

[Nikolokolus]

So now we don't have a future at PG? I can somewhat understand if we didn't want to sign Sessions because we wanted to give the reigns to Bayless, but now Bayless is not the future at the position? Why didn't we just go after a 23 year old Sessions? Makes no sense.

Mills baby!

 

[Nikolokolus]

Bayless will stay. This move makes it even more apparent to me.

That's an odd bit of reasoning right there.

 

[Idog1976]

Then, trade Joel to Houston for Battier - really makes sense for both teams. New lineup:

Miller / Blake
Roy / Rudy
Battier / Batum
LaMarcus / Lee
Oden / (3 man big rotation)

Balanced roster. Experience and youth. Offense and Defense. Tightened rotation.

I gotta ask are you mocking me with this?

 

[Idog1976]

That's an odd bit of reasoning right there.

I think he means we brought in a vet with a couple of years in the tank which makes a young PG to take over the reins more important. I don't agree that one could conclude that Bayless IS that PG though.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think he means we brought in a vet with a couple of years in the tank which makes a young PG to take over the reins more important. I don't agree that one could conclude that Bayless IS that PG though.

Bayless doesn't have that much time to sit on the deep bench on his rookie scale deal. He basically needs to get moved to a team with available minutes so he gets enough floor time to either prove he's a player in the league or not.