Bazemore, Hezonja, Little vs. Curry, Harkless, Aminu

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Did We Improve or Get Worse?

  • Upgrade

    Votes: 21 44.7%

  • Downgrade

    Votes: 14 29.8%

  • About The Same

    Votes: 7 14.9%

  • Other (If Any)

    Votes: 5 10.6%
  • Total voters
    47
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Please evaluate this purely from a shooting/offense standpoint.

I'm thinking upgrade.

What say you pros?
 
Huge upgrade if you already have stars who attract attention... which, we do.
 
Even I’d say, need to see Little in action before I put one below or ahead of the other.
 
tester551 said:
It's pretty easy. Just need to look at some actual data.
From last season - Curry & Aminu both far surpass Bazemore & Hezonja... it's not even close.
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You realize that's exactly what I was saying, right? The guys we lost are far superior offensively to the guys we added. I'm glad we agree.
 
Pure shooting is a downgrade if you include Curry.

I would also like to remind anyone who blindly said upgrade that Curry was 3rd in the league last year in 3pt %
 
The way I look at it - Baze replacing Harkless is an upgrade offensively (Harkless shot 27,5% from 3 last year), Zach will get Chief's minutes, 3P% is almost the same - but Zach got 75% of Chief's points per game in 50% of the time - so it is likely an upgrade, You replace Zach at the backup with Skal or Toliver - I suspect you will get about the same output as Zach gave you last year offensively (but downgrade on defense). Curry's replacement is Ant - nowhere near as good a 3p shooter - but a much more dynamic offensive player imho - lose some efficiency on 3P% - gain a much better playmaker and overall offensive player, imho. Mario replaces Turner - can't imagine he will be as bad shooting - but you are likely to lose some defense and play-making.

I would say overall, it is a small upgrade - but not the way the original question was posed - because it is not how it will be played during the games.
 
It's an upgrade but if we want to be real championship contenders we need more.
 
As Scalma pointed out, the comparison is off if you really want to compare likely lineups. Little is going to see about the same amount of court time as Simons and Trent did last year. One of Basemore, Hood, or Hezonja is going to replace Harkless as the starting 3. Simons is the replacement for Curry. Collins should more than equal Chief, if he can stay out of foul trouble. Any of Basemore, Hood, or Hezonja will shoot better from distance than Harkless did last year. Maybe a healthy Moe is in the same category as those guys as a shooter, but we didn't have a healthy Moe most of the year. I doubt that Simons is going to be the knock down 3 point shooter that Curry is, but he has a more rounded game and, if the last game of last season plus what he did in Summer League are any indication, he's no slouch from 3. I say overall the lineup is improved.
 
I think you are asking the wrong question, as letting Curry go gives Ant more minutes to play. Little won't even play next year. I understanding you are comparing outgoing to incoming, but it should be more about who is getting those minutes than who sits on the bench.
 
RR7 said:
If it's just a 3 for 3, then I voted downgrade. If you factor in Simon's getting curry's minutes, and zach seeing some of Aminu s, I might vote differently
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This.

Why is Little even on that list? He won't play. At. All.

Simons, Bazemore, Hezonja, Tolliver > Curry, Turner, Harkless, Aminu

Simons > Curry (Offense -- Factoring in more than just shooting)
Simons < Curry (Defense)
Bazemore > Turner
Hezonja > Harkless (Both have been disappointing, but I think Hezonja has a better chance of putting it together)
Tolliver > Aminu (Tolliver is a better shooter and not a bonehead. The biggest plus is that Aminu won't be starting thank god. Tolliver will pay dividends in the playoffs.)

Before I typed that, I was worried about the unknowns of next season. I feel better now :)

:cheers:
 
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You guys really think Simons is going to bring it this season? Man he is still so young and raw. I love what saw in game 82 and summer league, but that was not against the best comp. I think him trying to run our offense against quality NBA players is going to be tough.
 
THE HCP said:
You guys really think Simons is going to bring it this season? Man he is still so young and raw. I love what saw in game 82 and summer league, but that was not against the best comp. I think him trying to run our offense against quality NBA players is going to be tough.
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Buzz. Kill.

:cheers:
 
Haha I just realized I completely forgot about Layman.
 
THE HCP said:
You guys really think Simons is going to bring it this season? Man he is still so young and raw. I love what saw in game 82 and summer league, but that was not against the best comp. I think him trying to run our offense against quality NBA players is going to be tough.
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My expectation for Simons is a similar kind of impact as Curry last year. About 10 pts, decent shooting, and serviceable on offense. Simons is a better creator for himself but Curry is a better shooter and defender, but overall contribution should be about the same. It's not too much to ask .

That said, it's kinda crazy that of the guys we lost to FA, he is the one who got most $. Aminu started for us for all but 3 out of the 4 seasons he was here, but Curry still got more. Shooting pays.
 
THE HCP said:
Downgrade and it’s not even close. The Hazonja guy won’t even play. Little will contribute as much a Trent did last season. We lose a quality 3 point shooter and two of our best defenders.
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The upgrade is up Neil's sleeve and will come at the trade deadline.
 
This thread has "Bump" written all over it.

I agree that Little won't be playing. I seldom ever consider rookies as part of the equation for their first year. Especially one and done scenarios.

But you guys are sleeping on Mario. He can shoot and he will be getting minutes.

Keep in mind with Curry, he didn't even average 20 minutes per game. Sure he will be missed off the bench, but as a 2nd team unit, shooting is better this year with Hood, Simons, Mario and either Skal or Tollbert.

As for the starters it all comes down who replaces Aminu who was a very one dimensional shooter for us. Yes he could get hot when left unguarded, but I find it hard to believe Zach can't match it. And Baze is a better all around shooter than Hark.
 
THE HCP said:
You guys really think Simons is going to bring it this season? Man he is still so young and raw. I love what saw in game 82 and summer league, but that was not against the best comp. I think him trying to run our offense against quality NBA players is going to be tough.
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He has to be a backup Pg/scoring guard. You think he’s that far behind a playoff-caliber, 20mpg back up to Dame and CJ?
Edit: and by that I mean, “with 82 more games under his belt would he be that far behind?”
 
illmatic99 said:
Hezonja most definitely cannot shoot. This is a narrative that needs to die.

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Here's Harkless:

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Thanks for the stats.

Harkless sure did dunk a lot. Not the flashy kind, just rising up and stuffing the ball. I wonder how that might compare to Hezonja in terms of affecting their shooting percentage? I'd guess Harkless got a lot more shots at the rim?

Either way, neither are shooters. Seems like kinda a wash.
 
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