Trade Bazemore?

[BonesJones]

Oh, I think they do. Those moves got us further than we've been in a long freaking time. Anybody who said he deserves to be fired owes it. They know who they are. They were begging to eat crow when they said it. It was a joke then, and it's even more of a joke now that we've made WCF, and look to be moving into contention... You all know who you are. It's only a big deal if you're too little to man up.

If someone screws the pooch and deserves to be fired, but isn't, and then subsequently does well after retaining their position, that doesn't mean that they still didn't deserve to be fired previously.

It is possible to "bifurcate" present success from past incompetence.

 

[Scalma]

I wouldve drafted Little. HoopsJock wouldve drafted Little. Dviss wouldve drafted Little. You wouldve drafted Little. 95% of this forum wouldve drafted Little.

If it was so obvious how come so many teams, especially the ones directly in front of Portland, passed?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I wouldve drafted Little. HoopsJock wouldve drafted Little. Dviss wouldve drafted Little. You wouldve drafted Little. 95% of this forum wouldve drafted Little.

I was so stunned Little fell that far, it never crossed my mind he was even going to be an option. It was indeed a very interesting draft.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And that is in incorrect and NEVER stated or implied i am immune. My complaint has been the same people voice the same complaints over and over again. How many times does the same complaint have to be said?

Not sure. How many times have you voiced this complaint?

 

[BonesJones]

While that is true, if he trades the pick last year we wouldn't have gotten anyone.

But people would've been saying that we "owed Olshey props" for whoever we traded for. Just like I was told I owed Olshey an apology for criticizing giving up two 2nd round picks for Trent when he was killing it in the G-League.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

If it was so obvious how come the teams directly in front of Portland passed?

This is a fair question and one I thought of, was there a lot of red flags that came up in pre-draft stuff? Like I said above I never even considered he would drop that far prior to the draft. It's interesting, and yeah NO deserves credit for drafting whomever he drafts, because HE drafted them, even if all of us would have too we've seen a lot of GM's make picks we wouldn't make. It's just odd because I didn't expect that result, but mostly because I thought other teams would draft him before the Blazers had the chance.

 

[Scalma]

This is a fair question and one I thought of, was there a lot of red flags that came up in pre-draft stuff? Like I said above I never even considered he would drop that far prior to the draft. It's interesting, and yeah NO deserves credit for drafting whomever he drafts, because HE drafted them, even if all of us would have too we've seen a lot of GM's make picks we wouldn't make. It's just odd because I didn't expect that result, but mostly because I thought other teams would draft him before the Blazers had the chance.

There were obviously some concerns teams had. What those are, who knows. Did I want little? Yes. Do I have the same intel teams do? No. But Olshey took him, and if Little turns out to be a good player, he deserves credit for it. If he were such a safe pick he would’ve gone much earlier.

 

[Reep]

Moe will be good off the bench .

I would like to believe this, but Harkless has not been good off the bench historically. He has faired much better starting.

 

[BonesJones]

If it was so obvious how come so many teams, especially the ones directly in front of Portland, passed?

It was obvious in part to team needs.

Other teams overvalued players (ORL - Chuma Okeke, PHX - Cam Johnson, BOS - Grant Williams), drafted their specific niche (SAS -Luka Samanic), Drafted for an elite skill (PHI for defense - Thybulle, PHX for shooting - Johnson and Jerome), or bought into a lottery ticket (OKC - Bazely).

I'm not going to give Olshey credit for something 95% of the board would've done.

 

[kjironman1]

I'm with Bones on this one. He has made some great moves and some bad moves. Nice to see it on the upswing, but that doesn't negate the mistakes. And Little was a gift that he cannot take credit for.

Oh man.... Now choosing to draft a player that every other GM in front of him passed on was a gift? Wow!

 

[CupWizier]

Not sure. How many times have you voiced this complaint?

Apparently you are just looking to continue an insignicant argument that didn't include you in the beginning. I see no reason to continue this so i will let you find someone else to argue with.

 

[Scalma]

Oh man.... Now choosing to draft a player that every other GM in front of him passed on was a gift? Wow!

Olshey sure lucks into a lot of situations huh? Guy should move to Vegas imo. The valet parking is better anyway.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It was obvious in part to team needs.

Other teams overvalued players (ORL - Chuma Okeke, PHX - Cam Johnson, BOS - Grant Williams), drafted their specific niche (SAS -Luka Samanic), Drafted for an elite skill (PHI for defense - Thybulle, PHX for shooting - Johnson and Jerome), or bought into a lottery ticket (OKC - Bazely).

I'm not going to give Olshey credit for something 95% of the board would've done.

See I don't agree with that.
I develop SW for a living, and there are a lot of problems that arise that I fix, that maybe 95% of other SW engineers would solve in that same way. That doesn't mean I don't get credit for solving the problem. I still did it, it was still me doing work to fix an issue.

When I develope features, I don't say you know, someone eventually was going to have to develop it so really I didn't do anything.
Nah, NO did his job, yeah it was an obvious pick for many of us, but HE did it, he made that pick, he could've easily picked someone else.

 

[e_blazer]

But people would've been saying that we "owed Olshey props" for whoever we traded for. Just like I was told I owed Olshey an apology for criticizing giving up two 2nd round picks for Trent when he was killing it in the G-League.

The only thing I’d say is that ET served as a placeholder for the cap space the Blazers would have lost if they didn’t sign a FA that summer. Obviously, NO had hoped ET’s ball handling and playmaker skills would bring more than they did during his time here. That didn’t work out, but the fact remains that without ET’s contract, the Blazers don’t have the means to acquire Bazemore. Would have been better if his basketball skills had been worth his contract, but still, having the contract was a net positive.

 

[BonesJones]

See I don't agree with that.
I develop SW for a living, and there are a lot of problems that arise that I fix, that maybe 95% of other SW engineers would solve in that same way. That doesn't mean I don't get credit for solving the problem. I still did it, it was still me doing work to fix an issue.

When I develope features, I don't say you know, someone eventually was going to have to develop it so really I didn't do anything.
Nah, NO did his job, yeah it was an obvious pick for many of us, but HE did it, he made that pick, he could've easily picked someone else.

Olshey isn't "solving a problem" though. Youd get credit for the work you put in as part of the process. People couldve done the same job and did it worse. It doesn't apply to selecting a player. Neil isn't getting credit for the work he put in in regards to calling in the pick...

 

[oldmangrouch]

If it was so obvious how come so many teams, especially the ones directly in front of Portland, passed?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1983.html

Why was Drexler the 14th pick? There are many, many examples of GMs over-analyzing the flaws in potentially good players and letting them slide.

I'm glad Olshey showed common sense instead of playing follow-the-leader. I'll even give him credit for not making a rash trade involving the pick. Just keep in mind that not every good or right decision is an act of genius!

 

[kjironman1]

See I don't agree with that.
I develop SW for a living, and there are a lot of problems that arise that I fix, that maybe 95% of other SW engineers would solve in that same way. That doesn't mean I don't get credit for solving the problem. I still did it, it was still me doing work to fix an issue.

When I develope features, I don't say you know, someone eventually was going to have to develop it so really I didn't do anything.
Nah, NO did his job, yeah it was an obvious pick for many of us, but HE did it, he made that pick, he could've easily picked someone else.

There are those that are saying a certain center from Oregon would have been a smart pick.
I am interested in how this all will look in about 48 months.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Olshey isn't "solving a problem" though. Youd get credit for the work you put in as part of the process. People couldve done the same job and did it worse. It doesn't apply to selecting a player. Neil isn't getting credit for the work he put in in regards to calling in the pick...

Well here's the thing his "job" make a draft selection. He did that, he did his job. He get's "credit" for doing his job, just like you, or I, or any of us should when we do our job, we should get credit for doing our job regardless of if others would have done the job similarly, but we can agree to disagree and move on.

I liked the Draft pick, and I really like ET for Bazemore, hoping for a few more moves this summer.

 

[BonesJones]

The only thing I’d say is that ET served as a placeholder for the cap space the Blazers would have lost if they didn’t sign a FA that summer. Obviously, NO had hoped ET’s ball handling and playmaker skills would bring more than they did during his time here. That didn’t work out, but the fact remains that without ET’s contract, the Blazers don’t have the means to acquire Bazemore. Would have been better if his basketball skills had been worth his contract, but still having the contract was a net positive.

I like you, but you can't be serious with this.

Without Turner, we dont have to dump Vonleh to avoid the tax, and we'd have the Full MLE this summer (and probably seasons past), as well as the ability to pursue sign-and-trades. Bazemore isnt even close to being worth all that.

 

[Scalma]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1983.html

Why was Drexler the 14th pick? There are many, many examples of GMs over-analyzing the flaws in potentially good players and letting them slide.

I'm glad Olshey showed common sense instead of playing follow-the-leader. I'll even give him credit for not making a rash trade involving the pick. Just keep in mind that not every good or right decision is an act of genius!

I think there’s space in between genius and lucky, no?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

There are those that are saying a certain center from Oregon would have been a smart pick.
I am interested in how this all will look in about 48 months.

We'll well see Little like every draft pick or move is not 100% sure to work. We will find out.

 

[BonesJones]

Well here's the thing his "job" make a draft selection. He did that, he did his job. He get's "credit" for doing his job, just like you, or I, or any of us should when we do our job, we should get credit for doing our job regardless of if others would have done the job similarly, but we can agree to disagree and move on.

I liked the Draft pick, and I really like ET for Bazemore, hoping for a few more moves this summer.

So we're at the point now that we're giving GMs credit for simply calling in draft picks? Seriously?

I love the draft pick, like the trade. The trade deserves some credit. The pick doesn't, no matter what.

 

[CupWizier]

So damn stupid.

Yes, your reply was damn stupid as well as rude.

Attention folks, get the popcorn cooking.

 

[BonesJones]

There are those that are saying a certain center from Oregon would have been a smart pick.
I am interested in how this all will look in about 48 months.

Biased Oregon fans dont calculate for me

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So we're at the point now that we're giving GMs credit for sinply calling in draft picks? Seriously?

I love the draft pick, like the trade. The trade deserves some credit. The pick doesn't, no matter what.

In your opinion, and that's fine. My opinion differs, also fine.

 

[BonesJones]

Yes, your reply was damn stupid as well as rude.

Attention folks, get the popcorn cooking.

It's rude to tell people to grow up over their opinions.

It's rude to talk shit about someones family.

 

[oldmangrouch]

See I don't agree with that.
I develop SW for a living, and there are a lot of problems that arise that I fix, that maybe 95% of other SW engineers would solve in that same way. That doesn't mean I don't get credit for solving the problem. I still did it, it was still me doing work to fix an issue.

When I develope features, I don't say you know, someone eventually was going to have to develop it so really I didn't do anything.
Nah, NO did his job, yeah it was an obvious pick for many of us, but HE did it, he made that pick, he could've easily picked someone else.

There is a difference between giving people credit for doing their job and being a good employee, and acting like any non-failure proves they are a genius.

 

[kjironman1]

Biased Oregon fans dont calculate for me

Bol Bol might be considered a generational talent here in a couple years. There is no question if he stayed in college and stayed healthy for the next year he would be a top 5 pick. So i guess we will see right?

 

[e_blazer]

I like you, but you can't be serious with this.

Without Turner, we dont have to dump Vonleh to avoid the tax, and we'd have the Full MLE this summer (and probably seasons past), as well as the ability to pursue sign-and-trades. Bazemore isnt even close to being worth all that.

The way the CBA works, there’s a negative to every positive. I absolutely believe that the Blazers went into cap hell with eyes wide open. The thought was that as a small market team with a tough time attracting free agents, it was better to have contracts for trades. It would have worked in theory if Leonard, ET and Harkless performed better. Once the decision to max salary was made in 2016, the course was set. Getting a useful player in Bazemore is at least a return on the investment b

 

[CupWizier]

There are those that are saying a certain center from Oregon would have been a smart pick.
I am interested in how this all will look in about 48 months.

That's just, all this arguing and far reaching of these players being all stars and or superstars without stepping on an NBA court or very limited time and drafted late 1st round. I have seen Simons, Bazely and Little described as all stars or better in this forum. I suggest a more cautious approach and let's see how these players develop. I should tell the Walter Berry draft disaster but at least in the end it worked out.