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riverman said:
Josh Hart is a two guard at a fraction of the price....I don't see Beal not wanting his own team..to captain a team and run the offense. Maybe I'm wrong...I just don't see this as a fit at all....Josh Hart scored 44 this season too.
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I love Josh Hart. Bradley Beal is much better. Beal has always been willing to share the ball. He played alongside John Wall and Russell Westbrook. If Beal can flourish with those guys, he can flourish with Dame.
 
Tince said:
If given the choice, would you rather:

1) Obtain a redundant star
2) Obtain an average player in a position of need

Obviously we want the star in a position of need, so I left that option out.
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1 obviously. Collect stars at any position. Or draft Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan.

I remember people said Chris Paul and James Harden wouldn't work. They ended up going 65-17 and were one win away from the NBA Finals. Get star players at any position and then work it out.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I love Josh Hart. Bradley Beal is much better. Beal has always been willing to share the ball. He played alongside John Wall and Russell Westbrook. If Beal can flourish with those guys, he can flourish with Dame.
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I'll say this....I'd trade Ant for Beal but don't think Beal's agent would even answer the phone on that one.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
We had Drexler, so why draft Jordan?
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I get that point. Is Beal Jordan? Or let me ask this…
If you were Chicago and had Jordan, would you draft Drexler? Because that is the better analogy. Dame is the Alpha in this. Not Beal.

I would also like to point out we arent “drafting Beal” he comes with a buge conteCt and little to no upside.

I am sorry but I believe this is comparing apples to oranges bringing drexler and jordan up as a debating point, and not really relevant to the discussion?
 
Tince said:
Lots of questions to unpack here!

1) The math doesn't work in my hypotheical situation. It was to simply make a point that there is value in obtaining the best players, regardless of position.
2) The opposing teams would not trade their best PGs for our starters because our talent level it too low. Which is the point, we need more talent, regardless of position.
3) I wouldn't call it "kicking the can down the road", I'd call it a plan to actually be a contender vs praying we can flip our current roster into a contending one by being super picky about only taking on a couple players that fit todays needed.
4) Three team trades are MUCH harder to facilitate. Flipping players allows you to mix and match assets from other moves.

What do you see the path being of turning Dame, the hope of Ant, and some role players into a contender?
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Those are solid rebuttals!
I do not honestly have a realistic one. I would prefer to go after a player like Jimmy Butler and I did put together a somewhat realistic three team trade package, but I concede. I see what you say about getting the assets and shuffling them being easier than swinging for the fences.
 
You all have convinced me this could have an upside. Id still rather see us look in other places for assets, but if the price is right? I can be for it.
Good debating Mr. Tince. You, primarily convinced me.
 
BlazerBender said:
Those are solid rebuttals!
I do not honestly have a realistic one. I would prefer to go after a player like Jimmy Butler and I did put together a somewhat realistic three team trade package, but I concede. I see what you say about getting the assets and shuffling them being easier than swinging for the fences.
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I, like you, would prefer Jimmy Butler right now instead of Beal, for all the reasons you have previously listed. :cheers:
 
BlazerBender said:
You all have convinced me this could have an upside. Id still rather see us look in other places for assets, but if the price is right? I can be for it.
Good debating Mr. Tince. You, primarily convinced me.
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You nailed it... the price has to be right to where the value is so much greater that the redunancy can be swallowed in the short term.

I don't think there is any real incentive for LaVine to opt out of $50m to come to Portland, nor do I see us being able to provide a package Washington is willing to take where we are getting the value we would need.

This will be unpopular, but I would be shocked if Ant ever ends up being as good as Beal, so a trade with those two as the main trade chips is something I think makes logical sense. Feels like it would be a trade where both fan bases would be uspet.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think anyone who wants Beal, after watching CJ and Dame are bat shit crazy

ZERO defense

single tier attack….AGAIN
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I think anyone who would turn down a 28 yeal old all-star after watching this team go 7 years trying to win with one all-star would be crazy.

I'd rather try to win with Beal and flip him if it doesn't work, than try to win with Kent Bazemore and Mario Hezjona and have to flip them to get better. If the price is right, you take Beal in .2 seconds.
 
BlazerBender said:
I think the difference is acknowledging Beal is in a revolving door, not part of the end goal?
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Tince said:
I think anyone who would turn down a 28 yeal old all-star after watching this team go 7 years trying to win with one all-star would be crazy.

I'd rather try to win with Beal and flip him if it doesn't work, than try to win with Kent Bazemore and Mario Hezjona and have to flip them to get better. If the price is right, you take Beal in .2 seconds.
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Beal is basically CJ
 
blazedanugz said:
Bradley Beal is an all nba player
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Yes.... and CJ barely ever received any all-star votes. I understand the West has been better, but there is a big difference an All-NBA guard and an NBA guard who only got a couple all-star votes over an 8 year career.
 
BlazerBender said:
I get that point. Is Beal Jordan? Or let me ask this…
If you were Chicago and had Jordan, would you draft Drexler? Because that is the better analogy. Dame is the Alpha in this. Not Beal.

I would also like to point out we arent “drafting Beal” he comes with a buge conteCt and little to no upside.

I am sorry but I believe this is comparing apples to oranges bringing drexler and jordan up as a debating point, and not really relevant to the discussion?
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The point is you get the BPA if you can get him. Neither Beal or Dame are Jordan. That’s not the point.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
The point is you get the BPA if you can get him. Neither Beal or Dame are Jordan. That’s not the point.
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If Beal is available at pick 7 in the draft, sure.

But if the Blazers have to renounce Simons Nurk Hart Trade Exception MLE, give Beal a massive max contract, and start 3 scrubs.... I question if that is a good use of an offseason. Even though yes that gets the Blazers their best Robin
talent in many years.
 
Beal > CJ
2 elite guards playing together doesn't mean they won't win an NBA title. For the Blazers, we didn't have 2. Just 1.
Beal is elite. CJ isn't. He's really good. But his D sucks. And he pounds the rock. And is an end point for the ball. And doesn't get to the line. And avoids contact like he's Mr. Glass. Any arguments to the contrary are .... well, I don't understand.

I'm not arguing for the Blazers to get Beal no matter how much I wished for that going back a number of years. Forward is the position of need. Both of them. The draft isn't likely to fix both of those 2 spots. Trades, free agency. I hope. Lavine or Beal? They're better than what we had with CJ, but that doesn't fix the forwards, either. Ayton? Still gotta fix the forwards. I'm not arguing against getting better players ... and I'd prefer practically everyone rumored this offseason as a target for the Blazers INSTEAD of having CJ back. All of them. And CJ is a really good scoring guard. I'm glad he's in New Orleans.
 
Hard pass on Bradley Beal… Everyone else has already stated why.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
Beal > CJ
2 elite guards playing together doesn't mean they won't win an NBA title. For the Blazers, we didn't have 2. Just 1.
Beal is elite. CJ isn't. He's really good. But his D sucks. And he pounds the rock. And is an end point for the ball. And doesn't get to the line. And avoids contact like he's Mr. Glass. Any arguments to the contrary are .... well, I don't understand.

I'm not arguing for the Blazers to get Beal no matter how much I wished for that going back a number of years. Forward is the position of need. Both of them. The draft isn't likely to fix both of those 2 spots. Trades, free agency. I hope. Lavine or Beal? They're better than what we had with CJ, but that doesn't fix the forwards, either. Ayton? Still gotta fix the forwards. I'm not arguing against getting better players ... and I'd prefer practically everyone rumored this offseason as a target for the Blazers INSTEAD of having CJ back. All of them. And CJ is a really good scoring guard. I'm glad he's in New Orleans.
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For their careers, CJ has a -1 dbpm, while Beal has a -0.9. Don’t bring up CJ’s shitty defense without Beal’s
 
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