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Maybe a dude who diddles 4 year olds should be shamed and ostracized for his entire pathetic life.

Anyone here want this guy alone in a room with their daughter? Even 50 years from now? I understand recidivism and forgiveness and he should feel free to move on with his life, but don't expect everyone else to.
 
crandc said:
That's not what I said, Platypus.
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Never said it was; I'm asking the question. I understand that characterizing his crime as a mistake is not acceptable. What is the acceptable level of remorse? And what is the proper characterization of him from those who refer to his past? How do we strike the proper balance between respecting the victim and redemption of the offender?
 
crandc said:
I don't want to hear him or anyone else say he's put it behind him
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Why? Fact is crandc....you nor I know what he's done since the incident or how he's dealt with it or the victim.....I thought I'd bring this up although it's not this guys case, it's an example.....I was fondled by a teenage girl when I was about 7 or 8........she was my sister's friend....it bothered me in the moment but it didn't scar me for life and to this day, I consider her a friend....children often adapt and deal with things like this....in my case I suffered embarrassment more than anything else ....I would never want her to be arrested for it. This is why I believe we don't have the information to judge this kid so harshly. Maybe I'm wrong and he hurt her or was violent....then again maybe it was not like that....too many holes in the story to understand what the following years of their lives has become or what sort of rehab they've gone through. What he did was very, very wrong......I think he knows this and has lived with it for a long time. He has not repeated the behavior since he was 15.....that says he's reformed to me
 
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riverman said:
People sometimes actually solve their life problems or addictions......in his case, the court ordered therapy seems to have the desired results...what's wrong with that?
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"Seems to"
 
riverman said:
People sometimes actually solve their life problems or addictions......in his case, the court ordered therapy seems to have the desired results...what's wrong with that?
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There is no "cure" for pedophilia. You can't change what you're attracted to. Some people are just able to live with it and not commit a crime, while others are not able to control their urges.
 
crandc said:
Look, I agree that a person should serve his/her time and then go on even though emotionally, I feel like this child is not going to just "move on" so why should he?
So, yes, he has the right to pursue a career. But I don't want to hear about a "mistake". I don't want to hear him or anyone else say he's put it behind him. Or all the other crap used to justify the unjustifiable. Do you know how fucking sickening it is, every time an athlete or some other prominent person rapes, sexually assaults, molests, harasses, beats up we hear about his "mistake" or his "misbehavior".
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No one is justifying anything. I think everyone here agrees that what he did was wrong. I agree that it does seem fake when athletes ask for forgiveness using the "mistake" justification but this kid has said nothing yet. This happened years ago and when he was in his teens. A lot different than a grownup that did something they knew was wrong and then reading a prepared statement.

Would you agree that adults and teens should be held to different standards?
 
Natebishop3 said:
There is no "cure" for pedophilia. You can't change what you're attracted to. Some people are just able to live with it and not commit a crime, while others are not able to control their urges.
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The article says that teen offenders have a 2.5% chance of re-offending. I would think that number would be higher if that was true.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Maybe a dude who diddles 4 year olds should be shamed and ostracized for his entire pathetic life.

Anyone here want this guy alone in a room with their daughter? Even 50 years from now? I understand recidivism and forgiveness and he should feel free to move on with his life, but don't expect everyone else to.
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This.

He has a right to make a career for himself. He has a right to move forward, as he's been through the "justice" system. But I can't think of many crimes worse than what this kid did, IMO. And he's getting a second chance at life and should be grateful for it. I hope he doesn't F it up. Let the market dictate whether or not he can have a pro career. If it exists, it exists. If it doesn't, he's SOL and he'll continue to pay for his actions. Every action has an equal opposite reaction. For as despicable as his actions were, if he is going to succeed in baseball, he's going to have his work cut out for him and this story will follow him forever. The more he answers for his actions, the more he shows remorse, the more he owns this..... it will be a tougher path in the short-term but will be "easier" long-term.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
The article says that teen offenders have a 2.5% chance of re-offending. I would think that number would be higher if that was true.
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There could be a number of reasons why teens who are caught don't re-offend. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're cured though. It could just mean that they're afraid of getting caught again. Or it's much harder for them to re-offend once they have been caught.
 
Natebishop3 said:
There could be a number of reasons why teens who are caught don't re-offend. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're cured though. It could just mean that they're afraid of getting caught again. Or it's much harder for them to re-offend once they have been caught.
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It's much easier to believe that child molesters are simply horrible people who were born radically different from the rest of us normal non-molesters, and therefore are incapable of change.
 
The pitcher was probably molested his whole life, along with his 6 older siblings and one younger sibling. Kids don't usually come up with that shit on their own, so the abuse most likely started with an adult.

Sounds like the little girl is a cousin or something, which would make sense why she said something. Because in her family, probably no one gets molested.

Imagine the brain of a 13 year old kid that's been molested his whole life (when she was 4) especially if it was his parents doing the molesting. You'd think that by 15 he would know that it wasn't ok. But he didn't even go to public school until he was a sophomore.

An abused child's brain doesn't develop the same way as a normal child. Especially if his/her parents, or older siblings have led them to believe that the sexual abuse was ok.

Or he was just a sick fuck at age 13 and said

"I know molesting little girls is bad, but I don't give a fuck".
 
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Heimlich is going to soon find out just how tough he is, opposing fans are going to torture the fuck out of him.

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-03-01/sports/sp-257_1_arizona-state

But I'm going to laugh when the cameras pan the crowd during the baseball game and someone holds up a Pedo Beaver picture.

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PtldPlatypus said:
It's much easier to believe that child molesters are simply horrible people who were born radically different from the rest of us normal non-molesters, and therefore are incapable of change.
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Anyone who abuses a child of that age, either sexually or physically or mentally, is in my opinion a horrible person. The girl was 4 when it started. Who the fuck takes a 4 year old and rationalizes in their brain that it's okay to abuse them? Yes, they ARE horrible people. I feel no sympathy for him. He was 15. That's not a child. That's old enough to know better. That is an age where we feel they have matured enough to be able to operate motor vehicles.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Anyone who abuses a child of that age, either sexually or physically or mentally, is in my opinion a horrible person. The girl was 4 when it started. Who the fuck takes a 4 year old and rationalizes in their brain that it's okay to abuse them? Yes, they ARE horrible people. I feel no sympathy for him. He was 15. That's not a child. That's old enough to know better. That is an age where we feel they have matured enough to be able to operate motor vehicles.
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Yep, like I said--born evil, beyond redemption. An inferior class of sub-human far beneath us normal people. He's not worthy of sympathy or forgiveness because he's not equal to us and never will be.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Anyone who abuses a child of that age, either sexually or physically or mentally, is in my opinion a horrible person. The girl was 4 when it started. Who the fuck takes a 4 year old and rationalizes in their brain that it's okay to abuse them? Yes, they ARE horrible people. I feel no sympathy for him. He was 15. That's not a child. That's old enough to know better. That is an age where we feel they have matured enough to be able to operate motor vehicles.
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He was 13 when she was 4.

If the little girl was molested her whole life, then started molesting a little boy when she turned 13 would you feel the same way?

I highly doubt the pitcher rationalized anything. My guess is that years of sexual abuse brainwashed him into thinking that it wasn't bad.

He was homeschooled in the same house that he, and his 7 siblings, were most likely molested in their whole lives.

In his brain, sexual abuse was probably something that he knew he wasn't supposed to talk about, but was a normal occurance.

In the article it says that the rest of the family has ostracized the little girl and her mother...

Sounds like a family with widespread sexual abuse problems.

I doubt the 7th child started the problem...

Sexual abuse of children is funny like that, the victims usually create more victims.
 
...looks like the pitchfork warriors got their "justice" as Luke has excused himself from the team entirely and will never play for the Beavers again :dunno: what a historic season on so many levels! #GoBeavs
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
Yep, like I said--born evil, beyond redemption. An inferior class of sub-human far beneath us normal people. He's not worthy of sympathy or forgiveness because he's not equal to us and never will be.
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Nobody will answer my question. What's the line? Where do you draw the line? Where does forgiveness stop? Murder? Rape? Kip kinkel was 15 when he killed his parents and shot up Thurston. Does he deserve to spend the rest of his life in prison?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Nobody will answer my question. What's the line? Where do you draw the line? Where does forgiveness stop? Murder? Rape? Kip kinkel was 15 when he killed his parents and shot up Thurston. Does he deserve to spend the rest of his life in prison?
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I'll answer for me. I know I probably don't soeak for anyone else on this matter.

For me, you forgive everyone. What hecdid was not a mistake, or a transgression, it was an act of abuse that most likely scarred anothet person for life. However, it is not my place to judge him. So while I think what he did was awful, and criminal, I also see a 15 year old boy who definitely has iddues if his own because no one in their right mind could do something like that. It's the same for boys like Kip Kinkel. There is a mental adpect to it that few people understand. My son suffers from bi polar and has severe anger issues. He threw a knife at me a few weeks ago because I wouldn't buy him a video game. Not in his right mind.

He paid his legal debt to society. No reason AT ALL anyone should have an issue with him pitching.

I've rambled. What this kid needs now is love and support, not mobs and picketers. I think its also relevant that he was 15 and not 25. Wrong is wrong, but on a much different scale, I stole candy as a kid, defaced property, all kinds of minor dumb shit, that I would never think to do as an adult.
 
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