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[Denny Crane]

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[Denny Crane]

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[huevonkiller]

Creep Central. :O

 

[bluefrog]

This is just trolling.

I could post videos of idiot conservatives signing absurd petitions. What does it prove?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

My God: liberty is so fragile! It's only through the courageous and ceaseless vigilance of armed civilian militias that we're not all living under a tyrannical junta! Oh, wait a minute - we are! It's just one of those juntas that won't take your guns without passing a law first, and that, despite having the biggest military in the world, could be kept at bay by Billy-Joe and his AR-15.

 

[Denny Crane]

Trolling?

Wow.

I'm embarrassed, sometimes, to be a Californian. These people willy nilly sign any old petition. Must make them feel like they're saving baby seals or something.

The video does show a few people who actually read the petition and get it. Or actually listen to what the guy had to say.

It's a sort of poll, IMO. You don't like the results?

 

[Denny Crane]

This is just trolling.

I could post videos of idiot conservatives signing absurd petitions. What does it prove?

Post your videos. At least two

 

[Eastoff]

Post your videos. At least two

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one

 

[Denny Crane]

You said absurd petitions.

Try again.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'll suggest that secession is reasonable. You may disagree with it, and we could debate it at length. Or you can inform yourself about it. I'll only point out here that the Constitution doesn't forbid it.

If you want to make the case that abolishing the 1st amendment is a good idea, go for it.

 

[bluefrog]

I'll suggest that secession is reasonable. You may disagree with it, and we could debate it at length. Or you can inform yourself about it. I'll only point out here that the Constitution doesn't forbid it.

Then there is no point in having this discussion. You take one interpretation of the Constitution as fact. No matter what I post you will twist it and spin it or move the goal posts to support your position. Of course liberals are stupid for signing a petition to repeal the 1st amendment. Of course conservatives are reasonable for advocating seceding from the union.

Everything is binary with you. Denny = right, opposing opinions = wrong. Never once have I seen you concede that you were mistaken or that the opposite viewpoint is also valid. You're like a Fonzie that can't admit when he's wrong.

It's tired and predictable.

 

[huevonkiller]

If you demand that other people fund your lifestyle, you'll always be at a disadvantage in a debate.

People aren't going to take that position lightly.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Here's an interesting study: Swedish researchers discovered that it was possible to manipulate partisan voters into switching parties. Proving that EVERYbody is a fickle mushhead.

Except me, of course.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If you demand that other people fund your lifestyle, you'll always be at a disadvantage in a debate.

Unless, of course, they're debating with libertarians who think that they created their wealth magically from the sweat of their brow, and that if they lived on a little asteroid in space without any other people, they would be able to do the same.

 

[huevonkiller]

Unless, of course, they're debating with libertarians who think that they created their wealth magically from the sweat of their brow, and that if they lived on a little asteroid in space without any other people, they would be able to do the same.

Yes, people prosper despite economic illiteracy by statists.

It isn't your money.

 

[maxiep]

I'm reminded of the "Man Show" skit where they positioned themselves in Battery Park and asked people to sign a petition to end women's suffrage.

Ignorance is an amazing thing.

 

[Denny Crane]

Then there is no point in having this discussion. You take one interpretation of the Constitution as fact. No matter what I post you will twist it and spin it or move the goal posts to support your position. Of course liberals are stupid for signing a petition to repeal the 1st amendment. Of course conservatives are reasonable for advocating seceding from the union.

Everything is binary with you. Denny = right, opposing opinions = wrong. Never once have I seen you concede that you were mistaken or that the opposite viewpoint is also valid. You're like a Fonzie that can't admit when he's wrong.

It's tired and predictable.

Simply not true. That is binary

To come up with something comparable to these videos, you'd have to find some guy getting conservatives to sign a petition to fund abortion or something. I wouldn't argue that such a thing is reasoned.

However, when it comes to Secession, I have pretty strong feelings about it - that it should be allowed. I lived in Hawaii for 6 years and what I found there was that we went there, deposed their government, sent over military, the military voted to join the union as a state, etc. Meanwhile, the separation of church and state nearly wiped out the native Hawaiian culture and language over time.

There's an actual Reasoned secession movement there that has merit.

I'd also ask what recourse does a state have if is has grievances that are not redressed?

 

[RR7]

I'm sure you'll come up with a reason it's not the same, but, in your video, you have people signing because people sign and don't give a shit. You can see one person was signing before he was even explaining what it was for.
Here's an article about 60,000 people signing a petition knowing what they were signing, a petition to deport Piers Morgan, because he was exercising his 1st amendment rights. I'd say that's worse than people signing some shit so someone will leave them alone, but I know you won't feel the same.

Petition To Deport CNN Host For Gun Control Support Reaches 60,000 Signatures
By Aviva Shen
Dec 25, 2012

A petition to deport CNN host Piers Morgan over his heated comments on gun control has reached more than 62,000 signatures in just 4 days, far exceeding the threshold required for a White House response. A petition must get 25,000 signatures in 30 days in order to elicit a response.

In the wake of the elementary school shooting in Connecticut that left 27 dead, Morgan has become a vocal advocate for tighter gun regulations. Specifically, he is calling for a ban on high-capacity magazines and assault weapons, as well as strict background checks on gun sales. According to the petition, Morgan's comments are no less than "a hostile attack against the U.S. Constitution":

British Citizen and CNN television host Piers Morgan is engaged in a hostile attack against the U.S. Constitution by targeting the Second Amendment. We demand that Mr. Morgan be deported immediately for his effort to undermine the Bill of Rights and for exploiting his position as a national network television host to stage attacks against the rights of American citizens.

 

[Denny Crane]

Fair enough. Count that as one. Though if Limbaugh says something as asanine, there will be a similar petition or letters to his sponsors.

1st amendment affects those signing thus guy's petition. Not true of the Pierce Morgan one.

 

[RR7]

How is the 1st amendment not affected in Piers Morgan example? He says something. They don't like it, so push to penalize him by deportation. If I said I don't like gun owners, so I think they should be deported, without trying to ban guns officially, I'd think that's a violation of the 2nd amendment. Penalizing someone's actions supported by an amendment.

 

[Denny Crane]

Aren't the people signing the petition exercising their 1st amendment right?

Morgan has a $billion megaphone, you know.

 

[RR7]

Aren't the people signing the petition exercising their 1st amendment right?

Morgan has a $billion megaphone, you know.

So they sign a petition to take away someone else's rights, and it's just them using their rights, but that's exactly what the people in your video are doing, signing a petition, using their rights to take away someone else's. But yeah, you go ahead and support one while mocking the other.

 

[Denny Crane]

So they sign a petition to take away someone else's rights, and it's just them using their rights, but that's exactly what the people in your video are doing, signing a petition, using their rights to take away someone else's. But yeah, you go ahead and support one while mocking the other.

So when anti-Limbaugh organizations (well funded) write his sponsors with the hope of getting his show cancelled, how do you frame that?

 

[RR7]

So when anti-Limbaugh organizations (well funded) write his sponsors with the hope of getting his show cancelled, how do you frame that?

As irrelevant to this thread, I suppose. Blue mentioned absurd petitions, you said post them. I posted one, of people doing the same thing, trying to take away someone's 1st amendment rights, or deport him for using his rights. I think there's a difference between someone actively signing something like that that they truly believe in(without realizing the hypocrisy of trying to take away one's 1st amendment right for wanting to take away their 2nd amendment right) versus someone stopped on the street asked to sign a petition.

 

[Denny Crane]

As irrelevant to this thread, I suppose. Blue mentioned absurd petitions, you said post them. I posted one, of people doing the same thing, trying to take away someone's 1st amendment rights, or deport him for using his rights. I think there's a difference between someone actively signing something like that that they truly believe in(without realizing the hypocrisy of trying to take away one's 1st amendment right for wanting to take away their 2nd amendment right) versus someone stopped on the street asked to sign a petition.

Do you think the people in the videos I posted actually want to abolish the 1st amendment?

I do think the people who signed petitions want to kick Pierce Morgan out of the country.

Maybe the difference is subtle so you don't get it?

Anyhow, I found the people in the video to be clueless morons.

The people who signed the petition against Morgan are spiteful.