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Not making light of what the proclaimed victim has possibly experienced.

My question is, has there ever been a case that ended in conviction of a man being too intoxicated to consent to sex? I know I have certainly agreed to sex (as a much younger man) when I was "lit" when I never should have.
 
BassPlaya said:
Not making light of what the proclaimed victim has possibly experienced.

My question is, has there ever been a case that ended in conviction of a man being too intoxicated to consent to sex? I know I have certainly agreed to sex (as a much younger man) when I was "lit" when I never should have.
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Interesting question! I can't say I've heard of it.

I would assume the law is (supposed to be) applied evenly regardless of gender. I'm not sure it actually works that way. There are certainly studies that would indicate sentencing discrepancies based on gender, race, etc.
 
Tince said:
You got this one right(ish). An indictment is required in order for the DA to press formal charges. And as I originally said, the DA presses charges. You said that was incorrect.

In summary:
  1. Judge decides if a defendant on bail can leave the country, not the DA.
  2. The DA can decide to not object to a defendants travel request for many reasons, or no reason at all.
  3. The DA presses charges, not a grand jury
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You got this Wrong(ish)

The judge decides if the defendant can travel but the Defense is who requests travel.
Here is what you got right. The DA can decide or not decide to object.
In this case he did not.
Here is another thing you got right. The DA presses charges
However! No DA anywhere presses charges if the Grand Jury does not pass down an Indictment.

Seems like we agree on this. I'm done.
 
BassPlaya said:
Not making light of what the proclaimed victim has possibly experienced.

My question is, has there ever been a case that ended in conviction of a man being too intoxicated to consent to sex? I know I have certainly agreed to sex (as a much younger man) when I was "lit" when I never should have.
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Too intoxicated to not consent is different than "being lit".

The charges are saying the person was incapable.

To the point if a man has said it, no idea. I was just replying about the distinction.
 
kjironman1 said:
You got this Wrong(ish)

The judge decides if the defendant can travel but the Defense is who requests travel.
Here is what you got right. The DA can decide or not decide to object.
In this case he did not.
Here is another thing you got right. The DA presses charges
However! No DA anywhere presses charges if the Grand Jury does not pass down an Indictment.

Seems like we agree on this. I'm done.
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The first bullet point is what I said isn't it? The judge decides, not the DA, as you original implied.

I never said a DA doesn't have the option to object to a travel request. You did state it was a fact the DA didn't object because Ben was being straightforward, which to my knowledge hasn't been proven. Do you have proof of said fact?

You then said to me: "you are wrong on the premise that the DA pressed charges", now you are saying "The DA presses charges". So which is it?

I wasn't trying to attack you personally, I was just trying to correct inaccurate statements made in case others might read them and believe they were true.
 
BassPlaya said:
"The slang lit has a long history. Its earliest meaning is “intoxicated,” and that shows up in English as far back as the 1910s"
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No I understand that's but "lit" and TOO intoxicated is the difference I was expressing.
 
kjironman1 said:
It’s a statement from Ben McClemore. Yes he most certainly had someone proof it and possibly even help him format it but he made the statement and he signed off on it. There is direct statements about his actions and intentions. Facts are facts. He is and has been willing to work with the authorities regarding the accusations against him.
The court of public opinion needs to let the system take care of the rest.
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I wasn't trying to suggest that Ben's statement was false or misleading. I have no idea whether it was or not.

I was commenting on the writing - although it is within the realm of possibility that Ben has the skills (both written English language and also crisis management/PR) to write that, it seems far more likely that someone who does that for a living wrote it.

barfo
 
With respect to grand juries and pressing charges, I'd say this:
The DA decides whether s/he wants to press charges based on whatever evidence has been collected
The DA asks the grand jury to indict
If the grand jury does, then the DA can proceed with trying the case
If the grand jury returns 'no true bill', then the DA has to drop it (or maybe try to charge some different crimes)
After the indictment, the DA can still drop the case at any point (if he finds out the defendant is innocent, or if he gets a sufficient bribe)

I spent several months on a grand jury once. It's crazy the trouble people get into.

barfo
 
So Ben Mclemore's trial started today. The evidence to this point sure doesn't look good.
 
kjironman1 said:
If you read it completely it's the part that he went to China to play and delayed the investigation and that they had to arrest him at the Airport in April.
That kind of thing never looks good. There were also photos of the lady extremely intoxicated at the house.
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Apparently RoCo is going to testify that he saw the girl initiate intimate contact with Mclemore and then he left the room.

Of course, that doesn't mean she consented... But, seems like it'll be his word against hers. Unless there is some evidence we don't know about.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Apparently RoCo is going to testify that he saw the girl initiate intimate contact with Mclemore and then he left the room.

Of course, that doesn't mean she consented... But, seems like it'll be his word against hers. Unless there is some evidence we don't know about.
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It's a mess no matter how you slice it. Seems to me If a lady is at a small house party under those circumstances and drinks to excess then does some questionable things then quite a bit can be construed. These are some pretty damning charges that carry some pretty heavy penalties.
 
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I am aware a person is innocent until proven guilty, which I support.
I am also aware rape is the most underreported crime. I am aware people who report find cops are not generally Olivia Benson. I am also aware it is the only crime where victims has to prove they didn't want it. Anyone ever been asked if they wanted to be burglarized or deserved it because they forgot to lock the door?
 
crandc said:
I am aware a person is innocent until proven guilty, which I support.
I am also aware rape is the most underreported crime. I am aware people who report find cops are not generally Olivia Benson. I am also aware it is the only crime where victims has to prove they didn't want it. Anyone ever been asked if they wanted to be burglarized or deserved it because they forgot to lock the door?
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I agree. Everything you said there is true and the questions you ask are valid.

I'm certainly not advocating that it be acceptable to make anybody do anything that they want or cause anybody harm. My goal would be that everybody who does something like this be punished.

But what is the acceptable number of innocent people that we should support having their lives ruined and spending time in jail in efforts to punish those who actually do commit such an act?
 
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crandc said:
I am aware a person is innocent until proven guilty, which I support.
I am also aware rape is the most underreported crime. I am aware people who report find cops are not generally Olivia Benson. I am also aware it is the only crime where victims has to prove they didn't want it. Anyone ever been asked if they wanted to be burglarized or deserved it because they forgot to lock the door?
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You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately, we only discuss the high-profile cases because those are the ones where a payday is possible. All the other poor victims have less of an incentive to report it. Which, of course, is sad and unacceptable.

However, if I report a burglary, it is more than likely true that it happened. No one is going to question it because I am not going to benefit from reporting it....... other than possible insurance fraud.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I agree everything you said there is true and the questions you ask are valid.

I'm certainly not advocating that it be acceptable to make anybody do anything that they want or cause anybody harm. My goal would be that everybody who does something like this be punished.

But what is the acceptable number of innocent people that we should support having their lives ruined and spending time in jail in efforts to punish those who actually do commit such an act?
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That's a real problem with criminal justice system overall. Sometimes innocent people are convicted and guilty freed. Because even with best intentions humans are imperfect. And clearly the more resources a person has the more likely to beat the rap whether innocent or guilty. And sometimes there are not good intentions, Scottsboro. My grandmother got her photo in Life magazine picketing the White House to protest execution of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg. And one convicted felon got elected president.

The points you raise are valid. A friend of mine was convicted of rape despite witness testimony he was in another location. The victim was apparently raped but not by him.

That we need to improve criminal justice system gets no argument from me. That the large majority of reported sexual assaults are not made up is also correct.
 
Our senior year of HS, a student claimed she was “raped” by a fellow student. He was a soccer star headed off to play in college. Got arrested, expelled and lost his scholarship all to find out a year later it didn’t happen. Ruined his life.
Also my son’s sophomore year in HS a student wrote a list of boys names that were “raping” girls at partys…… a few of my son’s friends name were on this list. It got REAL messy…..luckily they came to the conclusion that she had made all this up. It was REAL bad. Parents conning down to the school for the boys….showing up at their houses. All over made up shit. It is a very “underreported” crime, but can be dangerously over reported?
 
My administration will solve all of these issues by requiring body cams to be worn by everyone at all times. Also everyone gets GPS tracker implants, video cams in every room of every house, and drone surveillance of all outdoor locations.

Besides the peace of mind that comes with the extra security, citizens will never have to worry about not having video of those special moments!

barfo
 
barfo said:
My administration will solve all of these issues by requiring body cams to be worn by everyone at all times. Also everyone gets GPS tracker implants, video cams in every room of every house, and drone surveillance of all outdoor locations.

Besides the peace of mind that comes with the extra security, citizens will never have to worry about not having video of those special moments!
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You have just tanked the bathroom mirror industry. Why do you hate America?
 
AquaXI said:
Innocent until but the charges are that he raped someone mentally challenged and incapable of making decisions.

If found guilty then he can rot away!
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Mentally challenged, or blackout drunk?

Not to imply that it makes what he allegedly did any better or worse, or that she bears any sort of responsibility whatsoever, just clarifying the alleged facts...
 
andalusian said:
You have just tanked the bathroom mirror industry. Why do you hate America?
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Why do I hate America?

The reason is simple.

At a very young age, against my wishes and certainly without my permission, my head was forced through some woman's vagina.

Creating this sort of trauma for an innocent child could only happen in a country as violent and immoral as America.

I hope you now understand my anger, and can agree that it is fully justified.

barfo
 
barfo said:
At a very young age, against my wishes and certainly without my permission, my head was forced through some woman's vagina.
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What kind of vagina did you want your head forced through?
 
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