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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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Neil Olshey would be stupid to trade Dame

but if I learned that we traded Dame for jalen Suggs, franz Wagner, Jonathan Isaac, mo bamba and 4 picks id be pretty ok with that

point being let’s operate in reality where morey isn’t getting pipe dream trades
 
I think we should try to help Sacramento and walk away with Davion Mitchell and Harrison Barnes. Mitchell is a pit bull that is the perfect complement to Dame/Ant. We haven’t had a backcourt defender like him since I can remember.

Lillard/Mitchell
Powell/Ant
Barnes/Nas
Roco/Nance
Nurk/Zeller

Loads of defense and versatility. Shot creation and isolation outside of dame would end up being our weakness (ironically), but if the chemistry connected and we had a few lucky breaks, I think that’s a championship contender with clearly defined roles.
 
noknobs said:
If he only wants to be traded to California why would we want him?
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HE NEVER SAID THAT! It was a bs rumor from a bay area moron repeated by the lazy modern clickbait media. In fact, Chris Broussard said a reliable source said Ben wanted to go “ANYWHERE but back to Philadelphia”. This CA team thing was bullshit come up with by a Bay Area guy playing upon well work tropes that NBA guys only want to play in NY and CA. And the CA thing meant Only GSW because the LA teams would have to gut their core to match salaries. Its bullshit. Period.
 
Was this posted yet? Sam Mitchell is on our side!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fadeaw...um-for-ben-simmons-id-do-that-in-a-heart-beat

"If you can get CJ McCollum for Ben Simmons, I’d do that in a heartbeat,” said Sam. "Since the day he walked into the NBA out of college, he’s been a productive player… Think about what people think of CJ McCollum. The players elected him president of the players’ association.”
 
noknobs said:
If he only wants to be traded to California why would we want him?
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There's the rub. He can't control where he is traded, but he can control how well, or if, he plays. He can follow the Butler approach and there isn't a bloody thing we can do to stop him.

I'm not a big fan of CJ - but he is good enough I don't want to trade him for someone who will be a headcase or malcontent.
 
blazerkor said:
He didn't say that shit. The most recent rumor is that he said he would play anywhere besides Philly. They're all rumors but I'll choose to believe the one where he's not being unreasonable.
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Really? Which is more consistent with a guy who cut off all communication with his team and is forcing a trade because he got his feelings hurt?
 
Buffalo Custard said:
There's the rub. He can't control where he is traded, but he can control how well, or if, he plays. He can follow the Butler approach and there isn't a bloody thing we can do to stop him.

I'm not a big fan of CJ - but he is good enough I don't want to trade him for someone who will be a headcase or malcontent.
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There is no rub. I heard Ben Simmons will only play for Minnesota so if he’s not traded there he wont play. See how that works? You make up bullshit and then pretend it’s fact, but its not.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
The hate is strong in this one.
You actually think Neil Olshey has never done anything in his life? "Once in your life" seems like you think he is sitting on a corner with a sign asking for money.
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In obvious (or perhaps not in some cases) reference to Neil's own words of 'Moving the Needle". Going on 10 years and that hasn't happened yet.....so yes, Go!

If he's sitting on a corner somewhere, it is in his car with his valet asking for money.
 
Idog1976 said:
There is no rub. I heard Ben Simmons will only okay for Minnesota so if he’s not traded there he wont play. See how that works? You make up bullshit and then pretend it’s fact, but its not.
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I don't know if the story was true - you don't know it was false.
 
blazerkor said:
He didn't say that shit. The most recent rumor is that he said he would play anywhere besides Philly. They're all rumors but I'll choose to believe the one where he's not being unreasonable.
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Idog1976 said:
HE NEVER SAID THAT! It was a bs rumor from a bay area moron repeated by the lazy modern clickbait media. In fact, Chris Broussard said a reliable source said Ben wanted to go “ANYWHERE but back to Philadelphia”. This CA team thing was bullshit come up with by a Bay Area guy playing upon well work tropes that NBA guys only want to play in NY and CA. And the CA thing meant Only GSW because the LA teams would have to gut their core to match salaries. Its bullshit. Period.
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That's good to hear.
 
illmatic99 said:
does that -8 wins projected not give you pause? And I don't think it works #s wise.
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It does work. look at the money. Also, trademachine wins/losses??? :smiley-hmm:

You think having CJ is gonna get us more wins than a balanced roster and Draymond? I don't...

You wouldn't be excited about:

Dame
Powell
Roco
Draymond
Nurk

That certainly moves my needle!
 
illmatic99 said:
does that -8 wins projected not give you pause? And I don't think it works #s wise.
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This any better? I never really pay attention to the projected wins/losses. I think this trade makes us better.

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dviss1 said:
It does work. look at the money. Also, trademachine wins/losses??? :smiley-hmm:

You think having CJ is gonna get us more wins than a balanced roster and Draymond? I don't...

You wouldn't be excited about:

Dame
Powell
Roco
Draymond
Nurk

That certainly moves my needle!
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Yeah, I would not pay too much attention to these +/- wins TM predictions. I would say that in the Draymond vs. Ben Simmons argument - I would say that The floor of replacing CJ with Green is higher but the ceiling of replacing CJ with Simmons is higher.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
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The interesting part of this videos, for me, were the cases where Simmons was setting the pick for another ball handler (in this video, Harris). He is vicious as a roll person - and when they tried to rotate multiple players on him on the roll his vision was so good - that he was able to send a great pass to Harris who continued to move to a pretty much uncontested attempt. Now imagine the same stuff with an elite pick and roll guy like Dame instead of Harris. Oof.
 
andalusian said:
Yeah, I would not pay too much attention to these +/- wins TM predictions. I would say that in the Draymond vs. Ben Simmons argument - I would say that The floor of replacing CJ with Green is higher but the ceiling of replacing CJ with Simmons is higher.
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I agree the ceiling is higher.

But... When has Simmons been called a QB on Defense? Is he going to be as good a defender without Embiid?

I personally think our defense will be better with Green. :dunno:
 
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