Trade Ben Simmons poll (2 Viewers)

[Idog1976]

What fucking theory are you talking about?? Stop making shit up as you go along.

Your theory as to why Simmons isn't great how can you not know that? Also, I ain't researching some argument you made at some point in the past that you then act is like unassailable fact. Everyone here has their opinions you're the only one I know who had an opinion they wrote out a long time ago, but won't repeat for some bizarre reason. You go trashing Simmons in every thread and can never back up your special secret sauce reason. I find the combination of your certainty and your refusal to explain to be quite repellant especially when you have to rag on Simmons non-stop in every Simmons thread. We get it you hate Simmons, you're not swaying anyone when you won't make an argument. I will end here, because I'm certain you won't back up your assertions.

 

[RR7]

We're sending out 31 mil and taking back 24. Is that allowed? Doesnt work under the 1.25x +100k rule. Or maybe it is because we are taking back less?

We can send out 31 and take back 2, if it works for everyone else. It's only if you're taking in more that you really have to worry about the 125% rule.

 

[dviss1]

It's not a matter of needing to r

Your theory as to why Simmons isn't great how can you not know that? Also, I ain't researching some argument you made at some point in the past that you then act is like unassailable fact. Everyone here has their opinions you're the only one I know who had an opinion they wrote out a long time ago, but won't repeat for some bizarre reason. You go trashing Simmons in every thread and can never back up your special secret sauce reason. I find the combination of your certainty and your refusal to explain to be quite repellant especially when you have to rag on Simmons non-stop in every Simmons thread. We get it you hate Simmons, you're not swaying anyone when you won't make an argument. I will end here, because I'm certain you won't back up your assertions.

I'm done going back and forth with you after this hilariously STUPID comment.

 

[Idog1976]

I'm done going back and forth with you after this hilariously STUPID comment.

Yeah man, you sure crushed me with your inability to make an argument and your unbacked assertions. Keep telling yourself that. LOL. Me asking you to explain your Simmons hatred and your refusal to respond with an argument that makes any sense is truly a new level of rhetorical skill. Socrates and Plato must be in total awe.

 

[andalusian]

I know you're smart enough not to use the small sample size of 34 3 point shots taken in his career to come to that conclusion...

It is not just 3PA, just look at the last year of the advanced shooting on basketball reference, Draymond is better between 3 - 16 ft - everything else (right at the basket, mid range and 3P, he is worse). Despite that, Simmons still has a better TS%.

I would say if there is something to be said about Green's superior intellect on defense - his shot selection and volume on offense given his bad shooting/scoring performance is not that impressive - I would rather have Simmons taking only the shots he is good at. His OBPM has been negative for 3 years running.

 

[illmatic99]

We can send out 31 and take back 2, if it works for everyone else. It's only if you're taking in more that you really have to worry about the 125% rule.

Ok that's wby I had a doubt. Thanks for clearing up.

This would get us well below the tax line. But id still like Ben more

 

[dviss1]

Yeah man, you sure crushed me with your inability to make an argument and your unbacked assertions. Keep telling yourself that. LOL. Me asking you to explain your Simmons hatred and your refusal to respond with an argument that makes any sense is truly a new level of rhetorical skill. Socrates and Plato must be in total awe.

I've already said why I don't want Simmons. I've given many reasons. You for some reason think I need to continue to tell you why.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

See?

 

[Duckhook]

He's got a mysterious theory though! Who needs stats, eye-test, playoff stats and league accolades when Dviss has a "theory" a theory so strong it can't be repeated due to its overwhelming certainty.

Man I don't know if you're deliberately trying to stir up shit here, but Dviss, whether I agree with him or not, is one of the most cerebral and intelligent people here (and that's just what I can fathom from his posting here). We've never met.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Meh...

Do it in the playoffs when it counts...

 

[Idog1976]

Man I don't know if you're deliberately trying to stir up shit here, but Dviss, whether I agree with him or not, is one of the most cerebral and intelligent people here (and that's just what I can fathom from his posting here). We've never met.

I don't think he's stupid, just bizarrely stubborn about being unwilling to state clearly WHY he hates Simmons. He seems very intelligent. I was attempting to get him to actually type it out, since he has all the time in the world to talk shit about Simmons and when I ask him to tell me why, he tells me to "look it up, do the research, find it in a thread I commented in once".

He is the biggest Simmons hater on the board and yet when I ascribed the common Simmons hate logic (bad attitude/bad shooting) he claimed that I was way off and refused to explain why, but implied that it's some iron-clad piece of reasoning.

If he wasn't constantly bashing Simmons I wouldn't go after him, but he is, constantly. All I want to know is why. Not just some certainty he is correct without explanation. I'm sure he's a smart man, he seems so, just absolutely refuses to explain why and I find that confounding given his ability to write endless posts about how much Simmons sucks without, you know, the explanation as to why.

 

[Idog1976]

See?

Sounds like a lack of imagination. You have Simmons push the break and then defer to Lillard in the half court using Simmons to slash to the hoop after he gets an off-ball pick and then have Simmons soak up all the non-Dame minutes at PG putting Ant where he belongs at SG. Then have Simmons and Dame run the pick and roll. Pretty straightforward really. Also, that sounds like a front office thing, not a coaching thing.

 

[andalusian]

I don't think he's stupid, just bizarrely stubborn about being unwilling to state clearly WHY he hates Simmons.

I thought dviss explained why, but maybe I am wrong.

If I understand, and @dviss1 can correct me if I am wrong, he does not believe in Simmons offense because of his shooting, thinks he is a potential locker room problem (diva) and is worried that he is menially weak and crumbles in pressure situations.

All of these points are easy to understand. I think that many of us just give these negatives a smaller weight than he does.

 

[blazerkor]

See?

If this is a hang up... our front office is being stupid. No one in the league who acquires Simmons should have that 6'11", 250 pound big running the point exclusively. The best thing that could happen to Ben Simmons is Dame Lillard. Lillard will take those shots Ben doesn't want to take, Lillard will get him the ball in the paint where Ben likes to score and Ben will only have to run the starting offense in 4 on 3 situations. Ben should forget about being a guard and play PF or C like he did at LSU. He will dominate on offense in a Giannis/Dray type of role. He can get some minutes as the lead "guard" when Dame is sitting and he's not but I would have a backup PG on the roster and sit him and Dame mostly at the same time.

This is why I wouldn't be angry if we traded CJ and RoCo for Simmons and Maxey. I prefer trading CJ and Nas for Simmons but the other trade makes sense.

 

[Idog1976]

I thought dviss explained why, but maybe I am wrong.

If I understand, and @dviss1 can correct me if I am wrong, he does not believe in Simmons offense because of his shooting, thinks he is a potential locker room problem (diva) and is worried that he is menially weak and crumbles in pressure situations.

All of these points are easy to understand. I think that many of us just give these negatives a smaller weight than he does.

Yeah I figured those were the reasons, those are everyone's reasons and I am not worried about any of them. Thanks for explaining that. Mystery solved. None of those concern me in the slightest. He had one bad series, one of the worst teammates in the league and a soft player's coach who still threw him under the bus. Having Billups plus Lillard will correct that and Simmons talent will get us where we need to go, not an aging Green who's already worse at every metric than Simmons. There are no other options and the clock is ticking. This is the swing for the fences move and one Neil must make.

 

[blazerkor]

I thought dviss explained why, but maybe I am wrong.

If I understand, and @dviss1 can correct me if I am wrong, he does not believe in Simmons offense because of his shooting, thinks he is a potential locker room problem (diva) and is worried that he is menially weak and crumbles in pressure situations.

All of these points are easy to understand. I think that many of us just give these negatives a smaller weight than he does.

Yeah, they're all good points. I just believe that Dame, coach Billups and playing Ben at the 4 or 5 on offense are the perfect remedy to these problems.

 

[andalusian]

Yeah I figured those were the reasons, those are everyone's reasons and I am not worried about any of them. Thanks for explaining that. Mystery solved. None of those concern me in the slightest. He had one bad series, one of the worst teammates in the league and a soft player's coach who still threw him under the bus. Having Billups plus Lillard will correct that and Simmons talent will get us where we need to go, not an aging Green who's already worse at every metric than Simmons. There are no other options and the clock is ticking. This is the swing for the fences move and one Neil must make.

Just to be clear, I do not want to put words in @dviss1 mouth, it is just my understanding of his position from the multiple threads about the issue.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

He's got a mysterious theory though! Who needs stats, eye-test, playoff stats and league accolades when Dviss has a "theory" a theory so strong it can't be repeated due to its overwhelming certainty.

My man, you really need to dial it back. Disagreeing over a hypothetical trade really isn't that big a deal.

 

[Duckhook]

If the reports of him publicly saying he doesn't want to come to Portland are true, I wouldn't want him here. He doesn't want to be here and the last thing I want to see is a mopey, PG/C running our offense. Dame is our star and I don't think Simmons wants to share that spotlight even though he thinks he craves it, until it's time to produce in crunch time and he becomes a shrinking violet. I remember watching games that Embiid would dominate and Simmons would be quiet and withdrawn on the court. Keep that prima donna crap outa P-Town.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Toss a pick or two in to make it happen.

Im starting to warm up to the idea of a picknrollin Ben with shooters like Seth and Dame around. Combined with Nurks better than average PNR game, it could really open us up.

 

[Haakzilla]

Does anyone know how accurate these bookies are with odds like this? 2 to 1 the Blazers land Ben Simmons now? A coin flip, really? GTFO!

 

[e_blazer]

I think they’re favoring the Blazers because they figure Dame will eventually demand to be traded, not because they think Morey will settle for CJ. Or, more correctly, they think more betters will see it that way.

 

[Orion Bailey]

He didn't say that shit. The most recent rumor is that he said he would play anywhere besides Philly. They're all rumors but I'll choose to believe the one where he's not being unreasonable.

And didnt innitiate from a west coast guy.

 

[Idog1976]

My man, you really need to dial it back. Disagreeing over a hypothetical trade really isn't that big a deal.

I'm thrilled to have a back and forth about a potential deal. It's when people won't explain their reasoning that I get frustrated. I've disagreed with many and everyone else has explained why. Nevertheless, I got my answer and am satisfied.

 

[Orion Bailey]

They're talking themselves into CJ on the Sixers realgm forum. Morey just needs to get on board now.

I think they’re favoring the Blazers because they figure Dame will eventually demand to be traded, not because they think Morey will settle for CJ. Or, more correctly, they think more betters will see it that way.

Maybe, maybe not. See above from Illmatic.

 

[Idog1976]

Does anyone know how accurate these bookies are with odds like this? 2 to 1 the Blazers land Ben Simmons now? A coin flip, really? GTFO!

It just means the payouts. It also means that Portland is currently the front runner in the eyes of bookies, or better put, they think the most people will bet based on that spread as well as what they feel comfortable offering as a payout. This means they see a lot of action at 2:1 odds AND they are worried enough about it coming true that the odds give a much lower payout compared to other places. It doesn't mean we have a 50% chance of landing him, it just means the bookies don't want to pay more than 2 to 1 odds no matter how many bets they get.

 

[RR7]

Does anyone know how accurate these bookies are with odds like this? 2 to 1 the Blazers land Ben Simmons now? A coin flip, really? GTFO!

I imagine they change the odds often. They see dame like a tweet, people get excited, they shift the odds to lock in lower bets, etc.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I imagine they change the odds often. They see dame like a tweet, people get excited, they shift the odds to lock in lower bets, etc.

So what your saying is now our gambling fun might also be controlled by fake news?

Greeeeaaaatttt....

 

[Natebishop3]

To me, I see no reason why Dame and Simmons couldn't switch off being the primary ball handler.

I would love to see Dame playing off the ball more. It would make him harder to stop.

 

[Idog1976]

To me, I see no reason why Dame and Simmons couldn't switch off being the primary ball handler.

I would love to see Dame playing off the ball more. It would make him harder to stop.

Yep, sounds like weird Front Office logic "will he stay in Portland (actually fair, but we got 4 years to sell him on it)", "Can he and Dame co-exist since he said he wanted to be the next Magic Johnson?" I can practically see Olshey clutching his pearl necklace while dressed in his mother's clothes while an unsuspecting Draft Bust showers downstairs.