Trade Ben Simmons poll (1 Viewer)

[tlongII]

He’s a bum.

 

[STOMP]

more than that is that Philly would have to assign CJ the job of running the offense which could easily reduce his shot opportunities...he's sure as hell not Dame after all. Which would be a giant leap of faith because Simmons has a career average assist rate of 34.5% while CJ is at 17.5%. In fact, this could explain why Philly seems so reluctant to try and replace Simmons with CJ...they don't believe CJ can adequately replace Simmons in running a team....a pretty reasonable conclusion

Certainly this sort of shakeup would change the 76ers offensive attack. Simmons can drive, dish & finish but he can't shoot. The strengths of his game push Embiid out of the paint where he's most effective... their games are not complimentary. On offense it's best to only have one guy who lives in the paint. While I don't think CJ is an equal talent to Ben, the strengths of his game project to mesh better with Embiid's. They could be a fearsome pick and roll combo plus CJ for Ben would give them much better spacing with Joel on the block. It's on the other end of the court the 6ers would take a real step back.

I'm concerned about Simmons between the ears, or, what short of competitor is he? This far into his career it's hard to come up with a good reason he hasn't dedicated himself to address his obvious Achilles heal. Breaking bad habits and learning correct shot mechanics should be a given for someone driven to succeed. A reasonable J would make him unguardable and an all time great, but a superstar talent with a lack luster attitude doesn't make a great building block. I don't know this to be true about Ben, but there seem to be red flags.

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[STOMP]

We'll see. Remind me again of the great players Houston got back for Harden.

With Harden publicly pouting bad mouthing the Houston franchise, fighting teammates and saying NJ only, do you really feel these two situations are the same?

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[Rastapopoulos]

With Harden publicly pouting bad mouthing the Houston franchise, fighting teammates and saying NJ only, do you really feel these two situations are the same?

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Um, have you been following the whole Philly vs. Ben Simmons situation??? As it is, the only team known to really want Simmons, the Wolves, won't even offer D'Angelo Russell for him.

 

[Cugel]

Philly should just find a way to make him happy and keep him. This is getting to be re-goddamn-diculous.

 

[sheed30]

I love Shaq sitting on his high horse telling others to focus/play hard and not be involved with distractions outside of hoops as if those weren't the exact same things he was legitimately & consistently criticized for. Think Shaq would have been better if he hadn't spent most of his career 50+lbs overweight? How about if he ever committed to learning proper shooting mechanics so he could make a FT? Would Simmons making movies and rap albums be considered distractions? An in shape & focused Shaq had the size & talent to completely eclipse MJ's career and be considered the hands down GOAT. Outstanding hypocrisy from the Big Underachiever.

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haha seriously, I don’t get this post or anyone that likes it. Shaq was a underachiever? Widely regarded as one if not the best big man ever to play, and for sure the most dominant player ever to play. The man has 4 rings haha, seriously if he can’t criticize Simmons then who can. The man was making rap albums while being dominate in the NBA, the Kobe beef was drama but they won rings together.

its completely different to Simmons and his situation. Simmons hasn’t done shit in the NBA yet, and actually regressed since coming the NBA. Did Shaq do that? What Shaq said is 100% true, I mean Simmons skilled set is being challenged and all fans and his peers want to see is him actually improving, and not posting the shit he did on social media. Shaq is right NBA fans don’t care about that, fans like that him want to see him you know actually improve lol.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Let’s go a step further. CJ would be MVP candidate in Philly! After all, he was easily All NBA before getting hurt last year.

Not with Embiid there he wouldn’t.

 

[JoshuaHall]

Philly should just find a way to make him happy and keep him. This is getting to be re-goddamn-diculous.

Think that bridge is burned, which is why Philly is finding out the hard way they were asking for way, way too much.

 

[Natebishop3]

Think that bridge is burned, which is why Philly is finding out the hard way they were asking for way, way too much.

And they're also finding out the hard way what holding the bag feels like.

His value is completely in the toilet now because he came out and said he's not going to play for Philly and will sit out camp. Everyone knows they have no leverage anymore.

 

[HailBlazers]

His value is completely in the toilet now because he came out and said he's not going to play for Philly and will sit out camp. Everyone knows they have no leverage anymore.

Disagree. Supply and demand, stars always have value to teams in need of a gamble in which there are many.

 

[blazerkor]

Disagree. Supply and demand, stars always have value to teams in need of a gamble in which there are many.

Right but just the fact that you're defining a three time all star and two time all defensive teamer as a gamble is a bad thing for Philly. Of course they're still going to get a good price in return for Simmons but the further backed into a corner they seemingly get the lower that price on the offers for Ben drops.

They would be smart to trade him before he actually starts sitting out camp if they aren't planning on keeping him until he has to play and hopefully recoups some of his value. With a team looking to win now that is a very dangerous game to play, it would likely throw off the team's chemistry and who knows how far down the Harden rabbit hole he'd go. He might not even try to play well if he plays. Their best move is to take the best price they can get for him before training camp... and for a win now team that means the deal that gets them playing the best the day they make it.

 

[andalusian]

Philly should just find a way to make him happy and keep him. This is getting to be re-goddamn-diculous.

Only way to do that is to trade Embiid and Doc. I am find with Nurkic, Zeller, Ant, filler and picks for him... They will have to find another team for Doc.

 

[HailBlazers]

They would be smart to trade him before he actually starts sitting out camp if they aren't planning on keeping him until he has to play and hopefully recoups some of his value. With a team looking to win now that is a very dangerous game to play, it would likely throw off the team's chemistry and who knows how far down the Harden rabbit hole he'd go. He might not even try to play well if he plays. Their best move is to take the best price they can get for him before training camp... and for a win now team that means the deal that gets them playing the best the day they make it.

His value is what it is. Nothing will change that. Every team vying for him knows the situation. Teams willing to trade assets for him are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Nobody is going to trade for Simmons with anything but open arms. Otherwise they wouldn't do it in the first place.

 

[blazerkor]

His value is what it is. Nothing will change that. Every team vying for him knows the situation. Teams willing to trade assets for him are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Nobody is going to trade for Simmons with anything but open arms. Otherwise they wouldn't do it in the first place.

You're discounting negotiation. The more of a problem he is for the Sixers the more opposing GMs have leverage. Of course no one will trade for him unless they want him but it's far more nuanced than how you're describing it.

 

[DroppinDimes]

Prediction: I'm guessing that either tomorrow or Monday the trade of Ben Simmons+filler for CJ, Roco, and a FRP will be announced. Neil didn't want the news to come during Dame's wedding/Honeymoon.
Dame, Powell, Simmons, Nance, Nurk will be the starting lineup on opening night.

Am I wrong?

 

[tester551]

Prediction: I'm guessing that either tomorrow or Monday the trade of Ben Simmons+filler for CJ, Roco, and a FRP will be announced. Neil didn't want the news to come during Dame's wedding/Honeymoon.
Dame, Powell, Simmons, Nance, Nurk will be the starting lineup on opening night.

Am I wrong?

Yep. You're wrong

 

[blazerkor]

Prediction: I'm guessing that either tomorrow or Monday the trade of Ben Simmons+filler for CJ, Roco, and a FRP will be announced. Neil didn't want the news to come during Dame's wedding/Honeymoon.
Dame, Powell, Simmons, Nance, Nurk will be the starting lineup on opening night.

Am I wrong?

If CJ and RoCo go to Philly we will not be sending a pick with them. Also we'll be getting better than "filler". It will be Thybulle or possibly Maxie.

 

[BBert]

And they're also finding out the hard way what holding the bag feels like.

His value is completely in the toilet now because he came out and said he's not going to play for Philly and will sit out camp. Everyone knows they have no leverage anymore.

I agree to a point. The biggest factor is still who is bidding and how high will they go.

 

[BBert]

Prediction: I'm guessing that either tomorrow or Monday the trade of Ben Simmons+filler for CJ, Roco, and a FRP will be announced. Neil didn't want the news to come during Dame's wedding/Honeymoon.
Dame, Powell, Simmons, Nance, Nurk will be the starting lineup on opening night.

Am I wrong?

That's a major overpay.

IMO

 

[Idog1976]

Prediction: I'm guessing that either tomorrow or Monday the trade of Ben Simmons+filler for CJ, Roco, and a FRP will be announced. Neil didn't want the news to come during Dame's wedding/Honeymoon.
Dame, Powell, Simmons, Nance, Nurk will be the starting lineup on opening night.

Am I wrong?

I’m huge into a Simmons trade but thats way too much. RoCo plus CJ is very possible, but we would be getting either Maxey or preferably Curry back. The FRP in particular is a fuck no if we are trading RoCo.

 

[tykendo]

Prediction: I'm guessing that either tomorrow or Monday the trade of Ben Simmons+filler for CJ, Roco, and a FRP will be announced. Neil didn't want the news to come during Dame's wedding/Honeymoon.
Dame, Powell, Simmons, Nance, Nurk will be the starting lineup on opening night.

Am I wrong?

You got Sources? Wouldn't be happy with giving up RoCo. A starting lineup of : Dame, Norm, RoCo, Simmons, & Nurk is awesome. We need Nance to provide extra strength off the bench. With no CJ, the benches ability to score will go down. The bench has to be off the chain defensively.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Philly should just find a way to make him happy and keep him. This is getting to be re-goddamn-diculous.

I expect Morey to do this I'd he cant find a trade he likes.

They aren't a contender when Simmons sits out

But they aren't a contender with a shitty Simmons trade.

Morey is title or bust. He isn't going to sacrifice title chances to avoid drama.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I expect Morey to do this I'd he cant find a trade he likes.

They aren't a contender when Simmons sits out

But they aren't a contender with a shitty Simmons trade.

Morey is title or bust. He isn't going to sacrifice title chances to avoid drama.

I'm sure this is preferable, but he's up against Rich Paul who is also not going to cave. It might get ugly.

 

[Idog1976]

I'm sure this is preferable, but he's up against Rich Paul who is also not going to cave. It might get ugly.

And THAT is why I'm confident Simmons is traded and likely to a contender. Since Morey can't get Siakam or a real package out of Toronto and he won't want Simmons in the East, that leaves us.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

And THAT is why I'm confident Simmons is traded and likely to a contender. Since Morey can't get Siakam or a real package out of Toronto and he won't want Simmons in the East, that leaves us.

Why a contender? Simmons has said he'd be happy anywhere, and he's buddies with half the Minnesota team, which, coincidentally, is the team that's most keen to get him.

 

[blazerkor]

Why a contender? Simmons has said he'd be happy anywhere, and he's buddies with half the Minnesota team, which, coincidentally, is the team that's most keen to get him.

We have no idea what teams are actually keen to get him because only shit shows let that info get out there, everyone else plays it cool. We do know that the rumor is that the Wolves want to get him without giving up Towns, Russell or Edwards... so I don't know just how keen they are on really getting him. If you can take any rumor seriously including them wanting him.

 

[Hoopguru]

Prediction: I'm guessing that either tomorrow or Monday the trade of Ben Simmons+filler for CJ, Roco, and a FRP will be announced. Neil didn't want the news to come during Dame's wedding/Honeymoon.
Dame, Powell, Simmons, Nance, Nurk will be the starting lineup on opening night.

Am I wrong?

So wrong

 

[Idog1976]

Why a contender? Simmons has said he'd be happy anywhere, and he's buddies with half the Minnesota team, which, coincidentally, is the team that's most keen to get him.

Rich Paul wants his clients upwardly mobile and that means contender. Especially for a client of Simmons caliber. If Simmons is flexible, all the better for Paul who will be driving the negotiations.

 

[Hoopguru]

Rich Paul wants his clients upwardly mobile and that means contender. Especially for a client of Simmons caliber. If Simmons is flexible, all the better for Paul who will be driving the negotiations.[/
Agree, that will make it just a matter of time.

 

[illmatic99]